How to assess an unassessed Article[edit]

I have come across an unassessed article on Frequency standard and would like to help organize Wikipedia by assessing the article. How do I assess an article? ScientistBuilder (talk) 21:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, ScientistBuilder. Please see WP:Content assessment. --ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I was having trouble figuring out where to put the label for the class but figured out where the banner was and added it.

I figured out how to insert the classification into the banner of the talk page. ScientistBuilder (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: Wikipedia:Rater is very useful for this. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Query about major revision required to page List_of_RISC_OS_bundled_applications[edit]

This page's content is more than ten years old. In that time new distributions of the OS have appeared with significant applications and games bundled. I have started constructing replacement tables in my sandbox, but want to be reassured that I can simply replace almost all the existing content with the newly formatted, but up to date, lists. Would an editor want to check my new material? If so, how? Bernardboase 23:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardboase (talk • contribs)

I think WP:FIXIT applies. You've found a problem, you're doing the work to fix it... go for it! If someone wants to argue with you, they're free to do so, once you've done the work. If you feel like being more cautious, you could propose what you're going to do on the article's talk page, suggesting a date a week or so out, on which you propose to make the change if nobody disagrees; that gives anyone who has the page in their watch-list plenty of time to chime in. Alternatively, you could preserve highlights of the old content in a "historical" section, or by creating a table which indicates when each piece of software was bundled, and when bundling was discontinued. That sounds interesting, but like a lot of work. Bill Woodcock (talk) 14:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Bill. All good advice. In fact the page content is so old and unmaintained that I'm pretty sure no one is watching it, and I am thinking that the "historical" aspects are not that important in this case due to their irrelevance today. The new data has already been collected for the RISC OS magazine Archive (a possible Reference) so reformatting it into Wikipedia tables is the only additional work. I will use its Talk page to point to my sandbox for comment. Bernardboase 17:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

On reflection, the likely chief objection to my proposed revamp of the page is that, by including two paid-for distros in my comparison tables, it may look like advertising even though the intention is only to show what functionality is covered by the distros. Is there guidance on this aspect? Bernardboase 16:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

There are plenty of lists of things that include both commercial and noncommercial items. Here's one I care about, for instance... the criterion for inclusion there (since there are thousands of smaller ones that only a handful of people each care about) wound up being "is it notable enough to warrant a wikipedia article of its own?" Probably not the criterion you'd use, but I think you'll find that people don't see something being commercial as a reason why it shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. As long as you disclose any conflicts-of-interest you may have, and don't give undue or unbalanced attention to any one of a set of things, you should be fine. Bill Woodcock (talk) 14:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Lists like this are notoriously hard to be kept up to date, Bernardboase. Do we really need it at all? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, again. You make a good point about such a page being hard to keep up to date, so I am now looking at an alternative location: a Mediawiki powered site that is specifically for RISC OS information at riscos.info. Its readers are much more likely to care about it enough to help with update! And its content won't be seen as advertising. I can put a reference link to it into the Wikipedia pages. Unless you want to add anything here, I'm very satisfied with this exchange and thank you for all your advice. Bernardboase 15:54, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Anudip Foundation Deletion[edit]

hello, I wrote an article and then Wikipedia send me a message like this So, now, I want to know that, will my article be deleted? I gave too much mainstream media's references...even then it be deleted that will not be fair.........thanks Muhammadyeakubhasan111 (talk) 05:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

The article is being considered for deletion, so I believe you can reason why it shouldn't be deleted. Vial of Power (talk) 07:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome to make policy-based arguments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anudip Foundation. AFD is not a majority vote but a (structured) discussion. Using multiple accounts is not allowed. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Note: This user was banned as a result of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Muhammadyeakubhasan111. casualdejekyll 13:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Blocked, not banned. See the bottom of the lede in WP:BLOCK. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Resubmission in mainspace[edit]

I have submitted a draft for review but now I have already made 10 contributions. Can I somehow fasten the process and move it to mainspace ? Sjanapgs (talk) 12:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Welcome to Wikipedia, @Sjanapgs, the only way that you are able to speed up the process in Articles for Creation is that you add WikiProject tags, what you do to add them is when you look at the draft, the yellow box will have a list of information on creating an article. You expand the section saying improving the odds of a speedy review and press the button of add WikiProject tags. When you go to the page for adding the tags, you type the general categories that the page falls under and then click add tags. This method will not always work, however it can speed up the review as reviewers may review the page over another one if it falls under something of interest to them. Hopefully that answered your question, Zippybonzo (talk) 13:09, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

And as you describe yourself as a " marketing professional" on your user page, please make the required disclosure of paid editing. Theroadislong (talk) 13:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sjanapgs, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, please could you tell us what article that is? Secondly it appears you are barely 4 days old, that is a little too soon to decide to create articles. Penultimately you seem to be in a hurry what seems to be the problem? Is it something we can help you out with? If not, then please note that we have no deadline here, except for un-submitted Draft articles which haven’t been edited in 6 months. To the crux of your question, what I want you to understand is drafts that are submitted are thrown into a pool as opposed to a queue so basically Patience is the most imperative factor at the moment, whilst there are ways to hasten the process, it is my opinion that those are more theoretical than practical. You have fulfilled your obligations by submitting, it is then behoove of editors with the AFC pseudo perm to fulfill theirs but please have patience. Celestina007 (talk) 14:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sjanapgs: Okay. You technically can move the page (assuming 4 days/10 edits). But probably not a good idea, per other comments, and making articles is hard, especially for a newcomer. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 14:21, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sjanapgs: Draft declined with many comments about what is wrong. Fix all that. Yes, technically you can convert a draft to a mainspace article without going through AfC, but if it still has fatal flaws, then the New Pages Patrol may revert it to draft, propose a Speedy Delete, or start an Articles for Deletion. David notMD (talk) 09:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Closing merge discussion[edit]

Hello! So a merge discussion I started is now over 10 days old. I'm attempting to request closure (I know I can close it myself however I'd like to make sure it's done properly) however I'm not exactly sure how. THe instructions at the requests for closure page don't seem to make any mention of merge requests. For those wondering, the discussion is here (yes I know i can do a wikilink but the title is rather long so this is easier). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

What you are looking for, Blaze Wolf, appears to be WP:MERGECLOSE. Follow steps 4 and 5, or, if you'd prefer to watch someone do it before you can confidently do so, I can also merge the articles for you if you'd like. Panini!^🥪 16:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Technically step 4 gives you incorrect instructions, telling you to use the discussion top and bottom templates instead of archive top and archive bottom @Panini!: Yes I'd like for you to do that for me. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

It looks like it's already been redirected and there wasn't much to salvage anyways (most of the Internet Channel article either was copied from the Wii Menu article or was poorly sourced with blogposts), so I've closed the discussion and moved an additional paragraph of content to the Wii Menu article. Panini!^🥪 17:05, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Panini!: Sounds good! Thanks! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:40, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Closing a RM[edit]

(Asking this question in line with my previous one since they cover similar topics) Hello again! So there was a discussion at Talk:Ford F-150 Lightning (electric pickup)#Requested move 6 February 2022 about moving the article to a different title. It's been a week since the RM started and there seems to be consensus to support the move. Would I be able to go about closing this RM or do I have to have an admin close it? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:36, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: since the pages with those titles already exist, I'm pretty sure that an admin will have to close it. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 21:36, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wguyllyn: Ah ok. So where would I Go to request closure? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wgullyn: (whoops mistyped your username). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: it's already listed at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Elapsed_listings, so it'll probably be closed within the next few days. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 14:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wgullyn: Ah ok. Sounds good, thanks! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf; No, wherever you a party, you shouldn't be performing any such actions; be it a RM or an AfD. Closures should always be left to those who are uninvolved, preferably those who can perform such actions, like page-movers and admins in this case. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 16:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@TheAafi: Alright I figured that was the case. I wasn't sure if I could close it if the consensus was obvious and then go to the place for requesting a move that I can't do myself for technical reasons was something I would be allowed to do. Thanks for telling me! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Translation[edit]

I am working on improving an article on Wolfram mathematica. I would like to import text from the German article. I am not sure if I need to have 500 edits as an extended confirmed editor to use Content Translation. How do I make use of this article in German to add to the English article? ScientistBuilder (talk) 17:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: As far as I am aware, only creating new articles with the content translation tool is restricted to EC users. Wether or not you use the content translation tool, please be aware that translations should be of a high quality and must comply with all english Wikipedia policies and guidelines, particularely on sourcing and on BLP content. Please do not use machine translation tools, most often the results are garbage. Please see WP:Translation for more information. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

My first serious efforts for WP were translation from German, and I'm sure that was before I had 500 edits. The important thing is that you acknowledge the translated material as described at Help:Translation, and follow the guidelines there. It is super-important that the translation is of a good quality. Machine translations are often really dubious. The problem is that they deal with all the obvious stuff very well, which lures the user into a false sense of security: they break down on technical stuff, subtleties and ambiguous situations. If you want to use a machine translation, you will need either a combination of technical knowledge and willingness to go back to the sources, or a good knowledge of German yourself (sufficient to translate without the machine) in order to make sure the machine translation is accurate. But good luck, and happy editing! Translation is a very useful activity. Elemimele (talk) 18:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder, I do a lot of translations, mostly from French but also from German occasionally. I never use the Content Translation tool. Feel free to contact me on my Talk page for more about this. Also: attributing the translation in the edit summary is a strict requirement: see WP:TFOLWP. Mathglot (talk) 09:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Wiki pages non-english[edit]

Hello, i want to create an english article from this Amharic Wikipedia article https://am.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%8A%A3%E1%89%A0%E1%88%AB_%E1%88%9E%E1%88%8B can i just go ahead? Can i also use the pic there, on English wikipedia? YonasJH (talk) 18:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

If you speak the language well enough, and you think you could translate the article, I would suggest reading Help:Translation for a guide on how to translate. ― Levi_OP^Talk 18:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Along with the above, avoid using machine translations like Google Translate or deepL. While deepL is more accurate than Translate (from my experience), it still isn't as accurate as having someone who speaks both the language it's being translated from and the language it's being translated into (in this case English) translate it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: YonasJH —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

To answer your question about the image, it looks as if the image on the Amharic Wikipedia article is hosted there, and not on Wikimedia Commons. To use an image in a BLP on the English Wikipedia the image would need to be on Wikimedia Commons (and therefore released under an appropriate licence). A non free use rationale is not acceptable for living people, and an image hosted locally on another language's Wikipedia can not be used here on enwiki. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:23, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: missing a not in that sentence? Mathglot (talk) 09:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. "Not" added now. Thanks for pointing it out. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:11, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank u all for your guidance! YonasJH (talk) 17:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Fair use images[edit]

Hello fellow host, I have a question about fair use images. For the article List of The Book of Boba Fett characters, you can see the top image is a collage of 4 images. I was told at the Commons Village Pump that I would need to provide the fair use information for each image. I thought I did so, but I got a message from B bot on my talk page saying that because the images are orphan files they will be deleted. So how do I go about providing the fair use information for each picture in the collage? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: It looks like the reason the files are up for deletion is because the individual files themselves aren't being used on the article anymore but instead a single file containing each individual one. Not sure if the individual files can be kept with the reasoning that they are used in the single file or not, but my guess would be no. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought I had to do something similar to File:Cincinnati Photomontage V1.jpg, so I listed the photos and my edit got reverted so. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone else know what to do? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Relax. There are multiple versions of the image available, at different resolutions. Only one of those versions is in use. The others will be deleted. DS (talk) 03:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: I know that, but that’s not what I’m talking about. I was told at the Commons Village Pump that I would need to provide the fair use information for each image. I thought I did so, but I got a message from B bot on my talk page saying that because the images are orphan files they will be deleted. So how do I go about providing the fair use information for each picture in the collage?. Am I supposed to provide a fair use image for each image in the collage. If so how do I do that. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 04:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

reevert[edit]

'Hi, is there a faster way to revert people's edits , rather thn undo?? 6millionarticles (talk) 23:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@6millionarticles: there are two ways that edits can be reverted faster -- using Twinkle and rollback (though both need more experience than you have). However, as someone with only two edits, I don't see why that is necessary. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 23:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is a faster option, which is installing Twinkle, when you have reached autoconfirmed status. If you are experienced enough, you may be promoted to a faster reverting option, Rollback, where you can be signed up here. Severestorm28 23:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Note that both rollback and Twinkle should only ever be used on edits that are obviously unconstructive. Using them to try and control content is grounds to have them revoked. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

6millionarticles, accuracy in reverting is much more important than speed. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an MMPORG. I have has access to rollback for quite a few years, but I use it rarely. Unless vandalism is glaringly obvious, I take at least a few moments to evaluate the edit and sometimes a few minutes. And if I decide to revert it, I leave an edit summary explaining why. Cullen328 (talk) 03:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

You could use RW as an alternative to Twinkle. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Plain Text[edit]

Is there a way to extract only plain text from a Wikipedia article and no math or science formatting, images, HTML, or another specially formats? I am working on pasting text into a translator. I would also like to find only text when reading articles out loud for Spoken Wikipedia Project. ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe try using the source editor? It'd allow you to selectively get the textual content while stripping any formatting, images, and templates from it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder, hmm, good question. There's not a simple way I know of beyond just copying and pasting. You can avoid copying reference numbers with this CSS. If that's not enough, you can ask at the technical village pump and someone there might be able to help. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

The simplest way is to use JS, get the DOM node for the content you want and call .innerText on it. If need be, you can clone the entire tree, remove the elements you want actually remove and then convert with .innerText —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: It won't solve much of your problem, but you might want to try getting a more visual-friendly layout for pages. Years ago I installed a script that reduced a lot of the elements for narrating.

/* Toggle VF  */

// timestamp  10 Jun 2018  1603


var currpgName = mw.config.get( 'wgPageName' );
var currURL = document.location.href;
var prntable = currURL.endsWith("&printable=yes");
var torf = prntable.toString();
var myFlag;   // must be defined here
var currFlag;

function chkmyFlag() {
 
 	try{
    	currFlag=window.localStorage.getItem("myFlag"); 
 	} catch (e) {
 	}

    if (currFlag=="VF" && torf=="true")
    { 
    nullFlag();

    dotogg();
    
    }
}


chkmyFlag();

function nullFlag() {
	try {
		window.localStorage.setItem("myFlag", "null");
	} catch(e) {
	}
}
function setFlag()  {
	try {
		window.localStorage.setItem("myFlag", "VF");
	} catch (e) {
	}
}
function clrFlag()  {
	try {
		window.localStorage.clear();
	} catch(e){
	}
}

//  Printable VF Button

mw.loader.using( 'mediawiki.util', function () {
$( document ).ready( function() {
 
  var prntVF = mw.util.addPortletLink ( 'p-coll-print_export', 'https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=' + currpgName + '&printable=yes', "Printable VF", "p-VF", "Voice-friendly version for printing [b]","b"); 	

    $( prntVF ).click( function() {
 			setFlag();
			});
	

    			});
});  	


// Toggle VF Button

var next="center";
mw.loader.using( 'mediawiki.util', function () {
$( document ).ready( function() {
	var ToggVF = mw.util.addPortletLink( "p-tb", "#", "Toggle VF", "t-Toggle VF","Convert to Voice-Friendly format[4]",'4');
// alert('next is: ' + next);
	$( ToggVF ).click( function() {
			dotogg();
     
		if (next=="center") {firstHeading.style.textAlign = "center";
    		$( ".Template-Fact" ).hide(); next="left"; }
	else
         {firstHeading.style.textAlign = "left";
			$( ".Template-Fact" ).show(); next="center";}
		    	 
	} );
} );

} );

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: Keep in mind that most web browsers have a "reader view" or something similar. Essentially, this displays a web page as just plain text, without any formatting, navigation or other paraphernalia. So you could use that to display a Wikipedia article, then simply copy and paste the text from the browser to your translation tool. Mike Marchmont (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: If you are using machine translation, please make sure you verify the output before using it. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 11:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

how to make new page and get approvel[edit]

how to create new page and get approvel for same?I have written some of authentic pages but not able to get the approvel for same Umarpatelw (talk) 06:46, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Umarpatelw: It’s very hard. See WP:YFA. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

You have had two drafts declined for not having adequate references to confirm a bank's and a person's notability, and then you skipped using the draft/review process to create a person article in mainspace which has now been nominated for deletion for inadequate references. Learn more about what is required for referencing, especially for biographies of living people (WP:BLP). David notMD (talk) 14:27, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Linking to another Wikipedia article[edit]

What is the wikitext for linking to another Wikipedia article? For example, if I am writing about South Africa and I reference Johannesburg, what wikitext do I use on the word Johannesburg to make it turn blue so that when it is clicked on, it transitions to the page on Johannesburg? 102.132.134.49 (talk) 09:00, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

It's simple, just enclose it in paired square brackets, like this: [[Johannesburg]], which results in this: Johannesburg. You might find this page useful: Help:Cheatsheet. Mathglot (talk) 09:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, [[Wiki|Example]] will display Example with a link to Wiki. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 09:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

One thing you can do to remember that is [[goes|shows]] meaning you put what it links (goes) to first and you put what it shows second. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Reply[edit]

How to reply any talk page messages? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:48:BBBA:CD3E:5971 (talk) 10:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. All article talk pages can be edited just like any other page; you may click "edit" at the top of the page, or in a section header, to reply to a message. As I have done here- replies should be placed underneath the message you are replying to, indented with a colon. 331dot (talk) 10:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Also after every time you leave a message you must sign your message with your signature (username and date) by putting 4 tildes ~~~~ at the end of your message. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@2001:44B8:41C6:F700:48:BBBA:CD3E:5971: if you're replying to a talk page message on an editor's own talk-page, they will be notified that you have done so. If you are replying to a message on an article talk-page, or to something that they have posted on your talk-page, it is a good idea to include the template {{re|username}} or some other variant so that they are notified. You'll see that I've done this here (except it hasn't worked properly because you're an IP address, not a full user-name! Sorry!). Otherwise they may have no clue. Elemimele (talk) 17:34, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Size of the logo on the company's page[edit]

Hi dear Wiki editors! Pls can you help me to understand how I can adjust the dimensions of the logo in order to let it be displayed fully when it is displayed as a featured page on another wiki page?Fairy Bliss (talk) 10:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC) Fairy Bliss (talk) 10:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Fairy Bliss:. Could you provide example where logo is displayed incorrectly (or where you want to use it)? I might be able to help you if I can see the problem and verify that my fix actually fixes it. Also, just to check: are you in any way affiliated with Silk Way West Airlines? Anton.bersh (talk) 11:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear Anton, thanks for your prompt response. Yes, I'm a Digital Marketing Specialist at SWWA. I'm trying to create a wiki page for the CEO of the company and when I add the wiki page of the company on his page, its preview with the logo is cut and logo is not shown fully. That is the page with logo Silk Way West Airlines Regarding affiliation, I have received a message stating that this is not allowed. I did not know this, as I'm new on Wiki. I guess, I just have to add a signature showing that I'm a paid editor, right? Thank you for your support.

Fairy Bliss Please read WP:PAID for information on how to disclose. Wikipedia has articles, not "wiki pages". 331dot (talk) 12:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Proving musical notability[edit]

Hi all,

I am trying to set a separate page up for a member of a band that has its own wikipedia page. By all accounts I did not originally fulfil the musical notability criteria. As a novice, I suspect that part of the problem was that I copy and pasted much of the original wikipedia entry, not through malice, more through naivety. I have since rewritten (read:hacked) and submitted the article, with new hyperlinks to Irish national newspapers.

The url is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Enda_Mulloy

I now note that I get a warning saying that my submission redirects to the band. Can anyone help? Each day, I discover that I am less intelligent that I thought.

Many thanks in advance of a reply. 94.118.100.188 (talk) 10:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

You see that warning because Enda Mulloy is a redirect to The BibleCode Sundays (you can see it here). You do not need to do anything about that because your draft reviewer will override the redirect during article publication. However, I looked at your draft and I think it is not ready yet for publication/review. It might pass, but I think chances are still less than 50/50, I would recommend adding more in-depth reliable independent sources. Anton.bersh (talk) 12:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

It is essential that you address the concerns mentioned in the first review. As far as I can see, the current draft is actually smaller than the one already declined, so there is no chance of it being accepted and you are wasting the time of the reviewers. In addition, all the facts stated in the "Background" section must be capable of being verified by readers. It is a strict policy for biographies of living people that all facts be verifiable and that there be no original research (by which is meant information possibly known by the author of the article but not stated in reliable sources) . Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael and Anton. I appreciate the responses. The current draft is indeed smaller than the original. I originally thought that the first draft was refused because the new article borrowed (verbatum) too much from his band's wikipedia entry. I did try to ensure that everything in the second draft is verifiable, to that end, it is sourced from newspaper websites that I referenced/hyperlinked to. When, for example, I say that he has two boys, that is mentioned in a hyperlink printed further up the page. Other parts of the biography, such as mention of his father's band link to a separate wikipedia entry. If a newspaper website article mentions 5 facts that I repeat throughout the article, do I need to reference the website each time? I have no problem with doing that, I just thought it may look suspicious if I had loads of hyperlinks to the same newspaper article. Off the top of my head, the only "fact" that I have not provided a hyperlink to is the fact that he is a full time teacher, I will edit the entry to link to the institute's website. Once again, thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imaginarynumber (talk • contribs) 11:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Redirects and Hatnotes[edit]

Hello there is this article I wrote Draft:Eric_Omondi who is a Comedian it has a redirect to another article Eric Johana Omondi who is a footballer. Help me remove the redirect. Thank you. PushaWasha (talk) 11:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello PushaWasha and welcome to the Teahouse. If and when your draft is approved, the reviewing editor will take care of that. You don't need to worry about it at this stage.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Some suggestions to improve Draft:QOVES Studio?[edit]

Hello all. Please suggest me how to further improve Draft:QOVES Studio?Ameen Akbar (talk) 13:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC) Ameen Akbar (talk) 13:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

You are a paid editor working on an article about a client company, and you initially skipped the Articles for Creation process to create the article in main space. It is on you to be competent. David notMD (talk) 14:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Examples: Ref #12 does not mention QOVES and #13 is barely a mention. David notMD (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Is looking for sources to add to un-/under-sourced articles confirmation bias?[edit]

If I come across an article that is lacking sources and I go and try to find sources that support the existing claims, would that be confirmation bias? The claims aren't necessarily my own, but it kinda feels a little wrong for me to intentionally search for evidence for specific claims, any claims, and just use those sources to support the claim. I suppose in looking for sources if I come across opposing sources, I could add (and source) the opposing evidence as well, or just not add a source to the original claim, but I'm not sure what would be the best thing to do. Rourensu (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rourensu: Hello Rour! I don't think looking for a source for things that are lacking a source would be confirmation bias (In fact, that's the entire reason why tags like {{cn}} exist, to indicate what needs a source so editors can find one). However if you find reliable, secondary sources that go against the claim you are trying to source, then it would be wise to adjust the statement so that it matches what sources are saying. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Thank you. I will keep that in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rourensu (talk • contribs) 18:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rourensu: in most cases, as Blaze Wolf says, this is fine. Someone thought it was true when they wrote it, and may have seen a reliable source but just not included it. There are a small number of cases where I might be cautious here, such as scientific claims ("X has been proven to ...") or opinion claims ("the majority of reviews were negative"), but you can still include anything you find. Just use attribution where necessary ("One 2014 study found that ..."; "The New York Times wrote ..."). — Bilorv (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bilorv: Alright. I will do that. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rourensu (talk • contribs) 18:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rourensu: you ask a good question showing good intuition of what some of the subtler issues around verifying content may be, and there is one thing that could apply here, and it involves the policy called "WP:DUE WEIGHT". To some extent, it depends on how you search, and especially on whether this is a fairly minor point of fact that will only be covered in a limited number of sources, or whether it's something major, with hundreds of published sources about it. If the latter is the case, the policy of WP:DUE WEIGHT comes more into play, and confirmation bias could be an issue. One example I recall regarding issues of confirmation bias in sourcing was about whether the American Revolution was one of the major causes of the French Revolution (spoiler: it wasn't). But because the French Revolution has had thousands of volumes published about it, it's not too hard to find a bunch of sources that go against the grain of the majority of sources about the Revolution, and if you search for and pick just those sources and cite them, it would give a skewed vision to the article that goes against WP:NPOV, one of Wikipedia's core policies. Usually the way this happens, is by a well-intentioned, but poorly-worded query: that is, if you search for the thing you are trying to prove, then it's much more likley you will find it, even if it is only 2% of the prevailing opinion of reliable sources, and not find the 98% of sources that say the opposite.

The principle of DUE WEIGHT says that we must " fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources", and that "the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all". As long as you are careful with your queries, and don't word them in a way that is likely to turn up results in a biased way that tend to support the assertion your are seeking to cite, you should be fine. I hope this helps you with your question about confirmation bias. Mathglot (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rourensu (talk • contribs) 18:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Broodiness: abnormal/normal behavior in hens?[edit]

This question relates to the article "List of abnormal behaviors in animals" link: [[1]]

In this article, we are given a list of abnormal behaviors in animals, and on this list, we see the behavior "Broodiness". The article states that broodiness is "(...) considered abnormal in modern commercial egg-laying hens". The reference to this is the article "The Effect of Certain Groups of Environmental Factors upon the Expression of Broodiness" by William H. Burrows and Theodore C. Byerly (note that the article is from 1937!). I am not able to find any evidence in this scientific article that states that broodiness in modern commercial egg-laying hens (or in any other hens or chickens) is considered abnormal behavior. Is there any reliable reference that actually does investigate broodiness as an abnormal behavior? How can Wikipedia claim that broodiness is an abnormal behavior when there is no scientific evidence on this? 130.225.188.130 (talk) 16:20, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This question is best asked at the article talk page, Talk:List of abnormal behaviours in animals. If the source does not state what is claimed, it should be removed. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I see the subject was indeed raised in the article talk-page, but I think it's so self-evident that referring to something as "modern" when the reference dates from 1937 that we can reasonably remove it. I've done so, and noted why in the talk-page. We'll see if anyone reverts. I also feel that the list is supposed to be of abnormal, not undesirable behaviours. It'd probably be possible to find sources saying that broodiness is normal natural behaviour in hens, just as a tendency for tigers to eat zoo-keepers is unfortunately natural to tigers. So all in all, it wasn't a good item in that list. Elemimele (talk) 17:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

What happened with my edits[edit]

I am confused by the edits I made on Katherine Delmar Burke's page resulting in a two-week block. I've wanted the editing to be looked at but have been called incompetent, untrustworthy, and other things by wikipedia editors who were way to heavy in their edits and inserting mistakes in the meantime. I'd like to be off the block and have been creating content in my sandbox.^[1] Yet it's standing still. Please help.Factsforsure44 (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC) Factsforsure44 (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

This is not really the forum for this sort of grievance. Since User behavior is an issue here, you should go to WP:ANI. 331dot (talk) 16:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. The block came off as well recently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factsforsure44 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

User has been blocked for disruptive editing. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:00, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Is this allowed as a citation?[edit]

In this article, it has these citations:

https://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/marshall_sports/chuck-landon-who-says-sports-and-politics-don-t-mix/article_e4a674b4-0895-5aec-bf66-fad810fcc024.html

https://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/marshall_sports/herd-wr-clark-headed-to-nfl-draft/article_65f32472-f607-5bbf-b1b4-f917d69825d2.html

They require you to pay to read the article, which for most readers, would make the citation unverifiable.

Is this allowed? WikipediaNeko (talk) 17:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@WikipediaNeko: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, those articles are allowed: see WP:PAYWALL and Template:Cite news#Subscription or registration required. GoingBatty (talk) 17:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

WikipediaNeko, the first Herald-Dispatch article is an opinion piece so its only acceptable use is to verify the writer's opinion. The second article is news reporting, so can be used to verify assertions that appear in that article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I added the subscription indicators on those links. WikipediaNeko (talk) 20:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Remove External Link Cleanup Notice[edit]

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Marquis

This article's use of external links may not follow Wikipedia's policies or guidelines. Please improve this article by removing excessive or inappropriate external links, and converting useful links where appropriate into footnote references. (February 2022) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

Hello, I removed duplicate links, moved external links into references to the body of text, and condesed to be less repetitive. I do not know how or whom to ask to remove the notice. I did read the guidance and I wasn't able to deduce how to do it myself, or if that was even a good idea. Any guidance most appreciated. AlaskaStar49 (talk) 19:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@AlaskaStar49: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see that you figured out how to remove the {{External links}} template. GoingBatty (talk) 03:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Userpage[edit]

I seem to remember making a userpage, yet it shows the metawiki page. Is this an error, or did I actually never do this? Thanks in advance, Caedem (talk) 20:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Caedem! Welcome to the Teahouse!
There is no page at User:Caedem, and the deletion log says it was never deleted.. so the conclusion I'm reaching here is that you are remembering wrong. casualdejekyll 20:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, I'll make one!Caedem (talk) 17:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Mamma Mia (film)[edit]

My name is Historylvr32, and as I read the article about the Mamma Mia film, I saw that there was a misspelling in a sentence. I was wondering were they trying to say coincides or coincidence? Thank you in advance for answering!Historylvr32 (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC) Historylvr32 (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Historylvr32 I've corrected the grammar. They meant to say "coincident", or "at the same time". Diff >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 20:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

what to do about AfD Fait accompli[edit]

Hi, this relates to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lists_of_space_travelers. This AfD was opened by Tamingimpala at 8.15 this morning, as a recommended redirect. For the sake of honesty, I have a personal bias in that I think the redirect is daft, and have said so, but the consensus today has been against me, and the last person to post something was apparently the article's creator, who's voted redirect. Based on this, Tame/Tamingimpala has closed their own AfD at 20:34 on the day it was opened, with the result "Redirect".

I'm not going to argue the toss about the result, but I think the way this has happened is outrageous. AfD's are supposed to run for 7 days, not 12 hours, and closure as a result that's effectively "Delete" by the proposer just seems wrong to me.

I have asked, very strongly, that the closer re-open (on their talk page), but since the list has already been deleted, I'm not sure if this is too late? Or whether anything else should be done to ensure the material isn't gone for ever before it's properly debated. My worry is that others who've worked on lists of astronauts or have an opinion may not have logged on in the last 12 hours, in which case they'll find the entire thing has gone from initial proposal to final deletion between the time they had their evening meal, and finishing breakfast the following morning. I don't want to bludgeon a view that others don't have, and I'm not normally a stickler for procedural things, but this is just not right. Elemimele (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Update ignore the above, Tamingimpala has reopened the debate, and in any case, I've been hoodwinked by a very weird browser issue; on the PC/Browser I was using, it actually opened the wrong article when I clicked on the link in the AfD. This is totally weird, and I'm trying to find out why. Elemimele (talk) 22:02, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Elemimele FWIW, you're absolutely right that a nominator is not supposed to close their own nom at AfD unless it's a withdrawal/speedy keep situation, which this obviously wasn't. I note that this user appears to have done this a couple times now. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I apologise for causing confusion. I have no idea why I landed up at the wrong list. It meant I got all hot under the collar about the deletion of a list that wasn't being proposed for deletion. It's been one of those days. Elemimele (talk) 22:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC) Oh, and in fairness to Tamingimpala, the correct article was actually written by one person, so once they'd agreed it was inappropriate, I think it would have been okay for the original creator to tag it for speedy deletion as their own unwanted work, with no significant contribution from others, so I guess Tamingimpala was only jumping a very small gun! I was looking at the wrong article. Big oops! Apologies all round. Elemimele (talk) 22:27, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

All good! Alls well that ends well on that front--as I said it's just noticeable that Taming happened to have done this twice in the span of a week, so regardless of what happens with this AfD it's better to leave him a note now about non-admin closures like that. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

WikiVersity Incorrect Formatting of Images and Bullet Points or Numbering[edit]

I am not sure if a question about WikiVersity is a good place to start at the Teahouse, but I am wondering what if a Wikiversity article's formatting is unclear. https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Thermodynamics/Thermal_Properties_Of_Matter#Phase_Diagram appears to have squares that are some incorrect formatting. Is there a way to find out how to fix this formatting? I'm not sure why empty white squares are part of the page. ScientistBuilder (talk) 21:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

It seems to me like they are some sort of bullet point, although I'm not sure why they are being used instead of actual bullets. It doesn't seem like a formatting issue, though. ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 22:49, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't see a white square in Firefox but a bold double-headed diagonal arrow: . The character  is U+F0D8 in a Unicode Private Use Area so it doesn't have a standardized meaning. I don't know why it's used there, maybe an error. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

need help[edit]

Hello - I'm new to wikipedia and tried uploading my first page, but it got declined. The user interface/experience is awful on this site. Can someone help me get a page approved? Thanks! Lowhanging8ball (talk) 22:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

The draft you submitted does not have nearly enough content in it to be accepted as an article, let alone it's lack of reliable sources. To improve it, you'll need to add more information in the article that is reliably and independently sourced. ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 22:46, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Lowhanging8ball: Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you've never edited Wikipedia before. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

What can I do?[edit]

I have been on Wikipedia for a while now and like, I don't really have anything to do and I want to do something. So, like what can I do to help Wikipedia? Jawico666 (talk) 23:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Jawico666! Welcome to the Teahouse!

I think you should check out the WP:TASKCENTER. There's a bunch of things to do! casualdejekyll 23:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

User has been blocked as a sock. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Jawico666 (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

How to add the time to a date[edit]

I am wondering how to add a time to a date, in either UTC or localized time. I am working on adding a time to my user page. ScientistBuilder (talk) 23:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Times_of_day should have everything you need to know. ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 23:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by localized time but I don't think wikitext can show a time which depends on the time zone of the user. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

There are userboxes that can display a localized time if that's what you want. I use this one: {{Time userbox|-6}} (the number following is your time zone's difference from UTC) ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 00:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk page archiving[edit]

Could someone with a working User Talk page archive have a look at mine and let me know why it isn't working? I'm not expecting it to run instantaneously, but it's been a week. I'm assuming I'm overlooking something obvious? -- asilvering (talk) 01:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Asilvering: Hello silvering! I myself don't use cluebot (instead I use Lowercase sigmabot III) but I've heard that Cluebot doesn't really have a regular schedule for running so it might be a bit before it gets archived. If you'd like a bot that will regularly archive your talk page, you can take a look at my talkpage for the code for Lowercase sigmabot III. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

You've set | age=1440, which means that it won't archive threads which are less than 1440 hours (60 days) old. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

It archived the older threads to User talk:Asilvering/Archive 1. If you want an archive box to let you see the archive easily, try adding |archivebox=yes to the configuration. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph I was holding off on doing that until cluebot had actually come by the first time. But I realize now that it already had, and just ignored the top post. Problem solved. Thanks anyway! -- asilvering (talk) 01:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Wait... it HAS come by. But it's missed the first thing on the page. Possibly because it was originally added without a proper heading... Sorry for maligning you, cluebot. I'll just have to move that first post over to the archive myself, I guess. -- asilvering (talk) 01:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Can't find date of Image[edit]

What do I do if I can't find the date of an image I would like to upload that is part of NIST.gov's website? i tried extracting the metadata, but their was none for an image at [optical clock]. ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder, presumably this is an image that should be uploaded to Commons (if anywhere). For questions about images for (possible) uploads to Commons, better ask there; specifically, Village pump/Copyright for copyright matters, Help desk for almost any other matter that you're soon likely to encounter. -- Hoary (talk) 07:51, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

AJ Johnson is listed as living she passed.[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne-Joi_Johnson Msantiking0309 (talk) 02:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

When? If true, her death not mentioned in any item from a search. Must have a reference to cite. David notMD (talk) 03:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Msantiking0309: Are you confusing her with Anthony Johnson (actor), also known as AJ Johnson, who died last year? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Finding articles a particular user has created[edit]

Is there a simple way to find what articles I, or a specific user, have initialled created? I have been around here for a long time and I am curious how many articles I have created over the years. --Bduke (talk) 04:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bduke: If you scroll to the bottom of Special:Contributions/Bduke and click "Articles created", it is a link to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Bduke, which lists all the articles that you started. DanCherek (talk) 04:39, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks. I should have known that but I am getting too old!--Bduke (talk) 04:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Why does Celsius 232.78 redirect to Fahrenheit 451?[edit]

Should I delete the redirect nominate this page for deletion?

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a joke and violates both #5 and #8 on this list. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 08:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

No it isn't; 232,78 degrees Celsius/451 degrees Fahrenheit are the temperatures at which paper (books in this case) self-immolates. Read the novel if you want to know more. Lectonar (talk) 08:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Lectonar: Yes, but the name of the book is "Fahrenheit 451".

No-one is searching for "Celsius 232.78" instead of "Fahrenheit 451".

Look at the pageview statistics for the redirect.

The most views it got in a day is 36. In its 487 days of existence only 172 people viewed it. The average views per day is 0 Quick Quokka ^[talk] 09:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, my reply was to your original question: it isn't a joke, it's not totally obscure and it's a cultural reference to boot. I am going back to look at and process some page-protection requests. No need to discuss this back and forth here. Lectonar (talk) 09:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Lectonar: It is totally obscure.

The only thing that comes up when I search for "Celsius 232.78" on Google is an achievement on a a game called "Outer Wilds".

Again, see #8 on WP:RDELETE Quick Quokka ^[talk] 09:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

For those wondering, self-immolation is pretty much spontaneous combustion (given the meaning of the word and context I'm given). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: You will have to consult with other users first in WP:RFD before the redirect is deleted, since I'm very sure only administrators can delete articles (including redirects). ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 08:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Troubled.elias: Sorry, I meant nominate for deletion 😅 Quick Quokka ^[talk] 09:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

It may be relevant to this discussion that Celsius 232 is the title of an updated play version of Bradbury's Farenheit 451, the title of a short story (which I've read but can't find a reference to) written in response to the novel, and the name of a major Spanish SF and Fantasy Festival. I don't doubt that there are other Bradbury-inspired uses of it.

[Edited to add] Sorry, not a story but an album and poetry collection actually called Centigrade 232 – same idea, differently defined temperature scale :-). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.191 (talk) 14:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@IP editor: Well, that isn't even mentioned in the article. The redirect is helpful to no–one. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 19:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, perhaps it should be added to the article. And I'm not arguing in favour of the redirect page, I just thought the information might inform the discussion. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.191 (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I am having a trouble with article approval[edit]

Can someone please guide me on how to get my first article live? This is the first time I am writing an article. It is about the biography of a person. I came across this person during the first wave of covid. The article was rejected twice. The reviewer also mentioned there is COI involved and that I have used promotional phrasing. Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Manoj_P_Kudtharkar The help I receive from here will be highly appreciated. JosephTonio (talk) 08:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

JosephTonio, the draft was rejected. You are told: "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." There's a big "STOP" sign. All of this means what it says. Please stop. What's lacking is evidence of notability, and your fellow editors cannot miraculously generate this. -- Hoary (talk) 09:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Eisshhh Hoary, @JosephTonio, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, now, whilst Hoary (a very brilliant mind here) might have been a tad bit too frank about their response, they are however correct, when your article is rejected at AFC it means you have no option of resubmission, AFC serves for many purposes, snd one of them is, accepting an article because it might survive an AFD, but when rejected it means the AFC editor believes the article either is a WP:NOT article(predominantly promotional articles) or a blatant notability fail they are confident the article will definitely not survive an AFD. I’m sorry as I believe this wasn’t the response you were probably hoping to get. Do feel free to ask more questions. Celestina007 (talk) 09:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

JosephTonio, the only thing I'd add is that AfC reviewers are both fair and human. If, having read WP:PERSON you feel that you misunderstood what was expected, and can now do a better job: if you are absolutely certain you can find several sources that have written about the subject in reasonable depth (not passing references in articles about something else), sources that are independent of the subject (not press-releases from events in which he's taken part, interviews with him etc.), and which are reliable sources (not blogs by people whose reliability we do not know), by all means engage the AfC reviewer in conversation. Post three really good references on their talk-page and they'll almost certainly be open to reconsidering. But if you can't find a couple of really good sources, there is genuinely no hope, no matter how many poorer sources are available. Lots of the best people in the world don't have WP articles! Elemimele (talk) 14:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse[edit]

What is Teahouse? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:C860:E97A:99BF:F956 (talk) 10:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Just read it. It is place to discuss all kinds of ideas about wikipedia. --Bduke (talk) 10:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! The Teahouse is a place for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

How do I publish about a company on Wiki.[edit]

I have been pushing an article about a company for about a month. And over time, the article has been deleted. Can anyone assist me on what not to include? Presently, I include the link to the company's website in the article as well as the services and products produced. It also includes the link to the product on the company's website... I am in dire need of assistance and I will appreciate one ASAP. Many thanks in advance Javatheseertech (talk) 10:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

You cannot. It is a conflict of interest. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 10:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Javatheseertech Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about a company and what it does. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. If you work for this company, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 10:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka was a bit too quick with that reply. A person who works for a company (WP:PAID) or has an unpaid connection (perhaps the founder is your sibling (WP:COI)) is not prohibited from creating an article, but those must be declared on your User page, and the great majority of the content of the draft must be verified by references not connected to the company. Except for a few simple facts, using the company website as a references is a no-no, and those references do nothing to confirm the company's notability. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

As I am not an Administrator I cannot see your attempt at an article. However, I can see that it has been Speedy deleted four times, and you have been warned that if you try again you will be indefinitely blocked. My guess is that none of your references indicated the company is Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 13:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I am an administrator, Javatheseertech, so I can read your deleted drafts. Your latest submission was nothing like a neutral encyclopedia article. It was a self-promotional company brochure written in the first person plural, with an exclamation mark to show excitement. Your draft utterly fails to show that your company meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Do not submit any similar drafts or you will be blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 17:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

You are forbidden about creating regular articles in the main part of the encyclopedia if you have a CoI, Javatheseertech, but you are allowed to create draft articles, either as a user page or as an article beginning "Draft:" and have an experienced editor review the article to check that it is acceptable. See WP:AfC. Please be open about your relationship to the subject of the draft when submitting. — Charles Stewart (talk) 19:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Nothing in Wikipedia:Conflict of interest forbids a user with a conflict of interest from creating articles, Chalst. It might be unwise, but it's not forbidden. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Naming the puzzle piece character in Special:Upload[edit]

Remember that character with a jigsaw puzzle piece as it's head when you are uploading a file? Me too. Well, I decide that I should call it as Jigsie. Do you really like that name? TwentytwoAug (talk) 10:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I like it, but I see no point in changing the name. I think "Puzzly" is a fine name. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 10:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka yea. I think that's better.TwentytwoAug (talk) 12:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

By the way @TwentytwoAug, your ping did not work before I corrected it. The right way to do it would be @[[User:Example|Example]] which would produce @Example. Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Or just simply {{ping|Example}} ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Do you have an actual question to ask about editing Wikipedia or are you just shooting the breeze? Because this isn't really an appropriate question for the Teahouse. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Building on what blaze said, that page is on the commons, not wikipedia's upload page. Commons:Upload Wizard feedback (or the commons village pump) would probably be a much better place to put something like this. ― Levi_OP^Talk 14:39, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Editing on Wikipedia: Approval Wait Time[edit]

Editing on Wikipedia: Approval Wait Time

Hi everyone! I started making some edits on wikipedia recently, however there is no update on whether or not its been approved. I also did not get a notification that I made an edit, however the wikipedia page shows that we have. Nailsnailsnails (talk) 15:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Nailsnailsnails, ordinary edits don't need to be approved. They happen as soon as you click the "Publish" button. Maproom (talk) 15:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

That is unless the page is pending changes protected. Usually pending changes protection won't affect you, however the page relating to it says this, "Edits by unregistered or new editors (and any subsequent edits by anyone) are hidden from readers who are not logged in, until reviewed by a pending changes reviewer or admin." ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:39, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, how long does that usually take? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nailsnailsnails (talk • contribs) 15:49, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Nailsnailsnails as none of your edits to date have been to pages under pending changes protection that is irrelevant. Which specific article are you referring to? - Arjayay (talk) 15:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

To become a autoconfirmed user, must all of my 10 edits be a pending changes protected page? Or I can edit any 10 pages and become a autoconfirmed user? thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nailsnailsnails (talk • contribs) 16:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nailsnailsnails: Any ten pages count. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nailsnailsnails: You are already autoconfirmed. It only requires four days and ten edits in total. You made five edits to Lenny Dykstra in 2017. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Pending changes protection isn't used all that often (usually it's either semi-, extended-confirmed, or full protection) so you don't usually have to worry about it. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Suggest reliable sources to find info about boy bands[edit]

Hi! I am looking for reliable sources to find info about a Japanese boy band. Could anyone suggest some websites that are considered as reliable sources to find info about Japanese boy bands? Resmise (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Resmise: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Music task force lists two sources, and you could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan for more suggestions. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:Thanks! I will try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan and I wish the same to you too!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resmise (talk • contribs) 04:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Wiki page edit[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samata_Party#cite_note-3 help me to edit the information given there is wrong, kindly plz allow to edit it AhmdAsjad (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@AhmdAsjad: Please put your request on the article's talk page along with {{Edit semi-protected}}. In your request there, be specific about what you want changed. (change X to Y) RudolfRed (talk) 18:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

You appear to be able to edit Samata Party directly, although an editor is disputing your edits. Go to the discusion on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 22:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

How do I request an article be rewritten?[edit]

This article is a mess of clarification neededs.

How do I request that it be rewritten? WikipediaNeko (talk) 17:42, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, WikipediaNeko. There is no formal system for requesting a rewrite: since Wikipedia is a community of volunteers, such a system would probably not get much uptake (even the existing system of requested articles does not often result in an article getting written). The best thing to do would be to start a discussion on Talk:Eusebius of Alexandria, explaining your concerns, and how you think the article could be improved. You're also welcome to have a go at improving it yourself. You could also post at the talk pages of one or other of the WikiProjects named at the top of the article's talk page, and see if anybody in those project was interested in working with you on the article. ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Userbox question..[edit]

I'm making a userbox for somebody but it just shows up as "/UserboxesSpecial:MyPage/SARBOI/". I am logged in and I have no idea what to do about this. Can somebody please help me? Dinosaur TrexXX33 (chat?) 20:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

A user wanting to transclude that user box needs to do it by {{User:DinosaurTrexXX33/UserboxesSpecial:MyPage/SARBOI}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but User:DinosaurTrexXX33/UserboxesSpecial:MyPage/SARBOI has a weird title, surely made by mistake. @DinosaurTrexXX33: I suggest you move it to User:DinosaurTrexXX33/Userboxes/SARBOI so it can be used with {{User:DinosaurTrexXX33/Userboxes/SARBOI}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

How to add a Tweet as a reference[edit]

I am working on an article and am wondering how to add a tweet as a reference. I know how to use {{citeTweet}} but am wondering how to use a Tweet as a source. ScientistBuilder (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

You're looking for Template:Cite tweet (note the space). Make sure your usage of the tweet as a source complies with WP:SPS. casualdejekyll 22:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I am looking for an example of how to add a tweet reference as opposed to an inline citation. ScientistBuilder (talk) 22:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Wait, why would you use it in any way that isn't an inline citation? What tweet is it, anyway? casualdejekyll 22:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: An inline citation is the most common type of reference. Please say which tweet you wan to use as a source of what in which article, and try to say which type of reference you want if it's not an inline citation. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I figured it out. I was editing the article on Tim Keller (pastor). ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit request not being replied. What can I do?[edit]

Hi, I made an edit request as you can see here - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aurangzeb&action=history. It's been around 2 days and no one has answered yet. Previous edit requests on the page have been answered in less than 1 hours, is there any way I could have someone reply to me or provide feedback. Thanks Sumsshire (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Be patient. There is no deadline. casualdejekyll 22:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay I will be patient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumsshire (talk • contribs) 23:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

what is the next step after writing a biography ? I would like to publish a biography, but I have no clue how to proceed[edit]

 Nmedinac (talk) 23:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Read WP:BIO and WP:BLP (only for creating biographies of living persons) for further information, biographies are required to contain references, no original research, and many more. If you are unsure if the biography meets the criteria, please create a draft at WP:DRAFT. Severestorm28 23:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

You appear to be working on Draft:Michael Travisano. Do not submit it yet. All of the refs are to a few of his science journal articles. That does nothing toward establishing his notability (and there is way too much detail of the science). What is essential is finding and using as references published material tht is ABOUT Travisano. David notMD (talk) 00:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

["edit clash"] Yes, Nmedinac, you have created Draft:Michael Travisano. Each of its references is written or co-written by Travisano himself. This isn't sufficient. Please read and digest WP:RS and WP:PROF, and implement what they say. Additionally, I notice that the photo of Travisano was taken by you; might you have what Wikipedia would term a "conflict of interest" regarding an article about him? -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nmedinac I have fixed some minor formatting errors, but the key thing for you to do is ensure the article meets WP:NPROF - the criteria for notability for scientists to have an article about them here. He may well do so, but at the moment this draft reads like an inside job by a student or co-worker. Statements like "Mike Travisano is a central figure in biology at the University of Minnesota." are utterly pointless and verge on sycophantic. For a professor of biology, I should hope they are a central figure at their own university! You need to demonstrate how he, through his work, is notable outside of it!

Do please read and follow this guide in declaring an obvious Conflict of Interest with the subject you want to write about. (We don't mind that you know them - we just need you to declare that for transparency). Ensure every single statement you add is supported with a reliable, published citation. If you can't prove that at the age of two he moved to Newark, just remove that bit. You may cite a university website listing his biography, because we presume there has been editorial control and checks over what they allow him to publish in any online cv there. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

When you are ready, submit the draft for review via the articles for creation process by adding the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft page. In its current state it would be declined. David notMD (talk) 00:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Table of contents number is wrapping[edit]

Anyone else notice the last number of the table of contents is wrapping across two rows? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Before today, I was noticing the number in the Teahouse table of contents was wrapping across two rows if the section title was also wrapping across two rows. However, today it looks like the number is no longer wrapping. GoingBatty (talk) 14:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Sorry - replied here before reading the section below states that it's been fixed. GoingBatty (talk) 14:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Testing to see if I can replicate the TOC number wrapping issue. It appears to be because the question was very long, so I'll make this question long so it wraps too.[edit]

Dummy question to test TOC number wrapping TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Is this a known issue? It happens with Safari, Chrome and Edge, and the wrapping affects all double digit page numbers if I narrow the viewing window enough. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Can confirm it hits Firefox as well. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Fixed by @Dreamy Jazz -- lomrjyo ^{(✉ • 📝)} 02:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Dreamy Jazz! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominating International System of Units for Featured Article Status[edit]

I would like to nominate International System of Units eventually for Featured Article. I think it is ready, but I don't want to have WP:Snowball occur or have the request rejected. What are some thoughts on nominating the article? ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Take a look through WP:WIAFA it has what will be looked for in a featured article prospect. If you feel it meets those criteria nominate it. If the reviewer disagrees they will generally post what the issues are so the article can be fixed and renominated when those concerns have been addressed. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 01:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

International System of Units is the third time you have made a few minor edits to an article and then proposed to submit for an upgrade. Your previous two were GA nominations that were reverted rather than a review being started. This time, a GA article you want to nom for FA. You have mentioned on the article's talk page your intent, which is a right step. Wait awhile to see if you get responders. Given you have not done any GAs, my opinion is a FA is a bridge too far. David notMD (talk) 03:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, ScientistBuilder, your FA-directed edits can be strange. An edit of yours to the SI article changed an item from something of which I have a slight (if insufficient) understanding -- that "the relative uncertainty of the Boltzmann constant" must be "better than one part in 10⁻⁶" -- to: "The definition of the Kelvin measured with a relative uncertainty of the Boltzmann constant derived from two fundamentally different methods such as acoustic gas thermometry and dielectric constant gas thermometry be better than one part in 10⁻⁶ and that these values be corroborated by other measurements." As I try to parse this, I infer that it's the definition that must be "better than one part in 10⁻⁶". Is this really so? It's hard for me to grasp, and very puzzling. However, I realize that my understanding of physics never surpassed secondary school level and since then has suffered long and serious attrition, and so I refrain from editing this kind of article (other than to correct obvious vandalism and the like). This in turn makes me wonder: Are you certain that you understand this area? -- Hoary (talk) 05:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

The tense was from 2016 being current and I was trying to change the tense to be in the past. ScientistBuilder (talk) 17:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand what you were trying to do, ScientistBuilder. No objection to that. I suspect, however, that you mangled the original. I'm not at all certain that you have a sufficient grasp of physics. If you indeed do not, I urge you not to edit in this area. -- Hoary (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I want to help make the article reach Featured Article status. ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mcmatter@David notMDI have made a request for suggestions for improvements on the talk page because I think the article is good and should be a Featured Article and don't know what to improve in the article. ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Copyright of Korean Image of Atomic Clock[edit]

I am working on the article for atomic clock and would like to use some images at kriss time keeping site. Is there a way to use these articles or is the copyright an issue? ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:00, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I would also like to use an image at https://www.bipm.org/en/-/2021-12-21-record-tai ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi ScientistBuilder. There're copyright notices at the bottoms of the websites you've linked to above which means you're likely going to need to get the WP:CONSENT (or c:COM:CONSENT) of the copyright holders of any images found on them to avoid them being deleted from Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. It's not impossible to upload photos without copyright holder consent locally to Wikipedia, but there are quite a lot of restrictions on the use of such images. Commons, however, only will accept 100% freely licensed or public domain content as explained here and here. If you want to try and contact the copyright holders (i.e. the website) and see if they are OK with giving their consent, you can find some information on how to do so here and here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What are Wikimedia Commons images licensed under? The copyright page at https://www.bipm.org/en/copyright is Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 IGO — CC BY 3.0 IGO. ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

For some BIPM's contact webmaster is hidden by javascript and I can't find the email address. ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder, Wikimedia Commons accepts a variety of licenses, but they must meet some pretty stringent standards. In general, newer licenses are better than older licenses, which may have minor defects in their legal language. The basic principle is that the license must permit free use by anyone, anywhere, for any purpose including commercial use. The only restrictions allowed are the requirement for attribution, and that subsequent re-use must follow the same terms. Licenses allowing "Wikipedia use only" are not acceptable. Licenses allowing "non-commercial use only" are not acceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 03:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder, is my response to your slightly earlier "Can't find date of image" unpersuasive? -- Hoary (talk) 05:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What is your argument that you are asking about? ScientistBuilder (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

If I understand your argument correctly, you are saying that copyright questions should be asked at Wikimedia commons? ScientistBuilder (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder, if an image is suitable for use in Wikipedia and there'll be no claim of "fair use", then it should be uploaded to Commons. If there's a copyright or other question about it, then Commons is where this should be asked. -- Hoary (talk) 22:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Photo Permissions for Donella Meadows photo[edit]

Hi I'm working on the Donella Meadows page. It's talk page requests the addition of photos and I've found an official website with photos that asks for people to write to an email address for permission to use them so it seems like they'd be open to use. But I'm not seeing this case covered exactly in guidance. How would you suggest I handle approaching them to ask for Wikipedia to have permission to use? Not sure how to email them (i.e. do I use a personal email) and what procedure I should ask them to follow if they are willing. Thanks KNY22 (talk) 02:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC) KNY22 (talk) 02:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @KNY22! Welcome to the Teahouse!
It sounds like the images are reserved. See WP:ERFP for what to do next, which is send over a form (any email you'd like, but make sure to mention the existence of permissions-commons@wikimedia.org) You may also want to pop over to Commons' Copyright Village Pump. casualdejekyll 02:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks casualdejekyll This is very helpful! KNY22 (talk) 02:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Singrauli State[edit]

Can i make an article about SIngrauli State and its rulers etc

}} Uchiha Baba (talk) 03:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Uchiha Baba: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Glad you want to contribute to Wikipedia by creating a new article. You may look at our guide on how to write your first article here. However, making a fleshed-out article takes a lot of time and effort, which can be really intimidating for someone new to Wikipedia! I would recommend you go look at a list of possible tasks you can do as a newcomer instead. It helps to start small, build experience, and get a feel for what editing here is like. Happy editing!
-- ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 03:52, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Uchiha Baba, we already have an article about this topic, Singrauli district. It is not appropriate to create two articles about the same topic. Cullen328 (talk) 04:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Improving the new article I created[edit]

This is in reference to Draft:MicroPublication Biology. This is the article I created and had submitted for review. It is now rejected with the following comments-

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

My article is about an academic journal. I would like to point to several other existing Wikipedia articles about academic journals with similar references-

1) Journals established in 2016 like the one in my article- International Journal of Persian Literature, Open Agriculture, JAMA Cardiology

2) More recently added articles about academic journals- Journal of Controversial Ideas, Matter (journal), The CRISPR Journal, Annual Review of Criminology, Futures & Foresight Science etc.

What can I do to improve my article or how to persuade to accept my article? FluffyPinkDude (talk) 04:00, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, FluffyPinkDude. This is about Draft:MicroPublication Biology. Your draft has not been rejected. Instead, it has been declined. That is an important distinction. Wikipedia has over 6.4 million articles, and frankly, many of them are of poor quality. An argument that consists of "I found other old poorly referenced articles on Wikipedia, so I should allowed to create a new poorly referenced article" is not an argument likely to gain much traction. You need to provide references to reliable published sources that are entirely independent of this journal, that devote significant coverage to the journal. Do any of your current references meet that standard? Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Cullen328 Thank you for making that distinction it really helped. So according to me, several of them should meet the standard, but I am clearly wrong. To improve my understanding of the guidelines I am giving examples of the following 2 references. Let me know whether these meet the criteria.

1) ^[1] This reference is a peer reviewed publication authored by people who are not affiliated to the journal at all. They talk about how this journal is helping in micropublishing.

2) ^[2] This reference is the profile of the journal available on NLM (United States National Library of Medicine) which is not affiliated to the journal at all.

Thank you for helping! FluffyPinkDude (talk) 05:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, FluffyPinkDude. I do not claim to be an expert in the reliability of sources discussing academic journals, but the first source you linked to seems to be a publication affiliated with UC Berkeley and that seems to be a reliable source devoting significant coverage. The second seems to be a directory or database entry that does not include any original coverage. So, my preliminary assessment is "one good source, one bad source". Multiple references to reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage are required. Cullen328 (talk) 05:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Probematic removal of parties in List of political parties in Hong Kong[edit]

I came across this page the other day and found out that the page has included only parties that are present in the LegCo (which all are pro-Beijing) and excluded parties that are only in the District Council (which are the minor pro-Beijing parties and the various pro-democracy parties). This contradicts the subheading (Parties and groups in the Legislative and District Councils) which implies both should be included. Checking the history it seems that it was removed in [2], then restored later in [3], but then removed again in [4] disguised as a table formatting cleanup. It seems that all these people were only focussed on modifying the table, yet did not even bothered to change the date in the paragraph before, which is nearly 5 years ago.

As I'm still new to editing on Wikipedia, I'm not sure if there is a violation of certain policy. (There's too many policy pages and I'm not bothered to read through all of those) Can someone more experienced look into the matter? Wpi31 (talk) 05:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wpi31: This looks like the sort of list article where you need advice from specialists interested in the topic. I suggest you look at WP:HK and its request page WP:HK/R. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

How to lodge a suspend or block IP request?[edit]

As the subject heading states, I am just wondering what the procedure was. I am not gunning for anyone in particular but did notice some unscrupulous removals of my works by IP addreses which have no merit to removal.

Thanks guys!

Seasoned Wiki Editor but noob amongst the trees Ridespinnas (talk) 05:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ridespinnas For vandalism, see this noticeboard. Else, go to ANI. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk |

contribs) 06:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

But please discuss with them first, before going to ANI. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 06:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ridespinnas. The most common reason to block an IP editor is vandalism, although there can be other reasons. If vandalism is the reason, then file a report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. If not, describe the "unscrupulous" behavior in more detail, mentioning the specific article where the behavior occurred. Cullen328 (talk) 06:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Best type of evidence[edit]

Advice on how to demonstrate or evidence achievements

Saeed Alememari is summiting the highest point in every United Nations country. He has recently completed all the countries in Central America and many of the Caribbean. He has a lot of photogrpahic eveidence and Garmin GPS records of all achievements.

What are the best ways this evidence can included into a new Wikipedia page which will be constructed.

Newspaper article, YouTube, TV, Instagram, other ?

I would appreciate any advice on the best way that these achievements can be included ?

Thankyou Tav Chlordane (talk) 06:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tav Chlordane. For general guidance on this, please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The best type of source would be secondary, so anything reporting on Alememari's achievements that is a reliable source (i.e. has a reputation for fact checking). This could be newspapers, television reports, and in the longer term, books. YouTube content would only be appropriate if it's been produced by an organisation with a reputation for reliability, such as a television company. Instagram posts would likely be primary sources and not appropriate here. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, it might be a little WP:TOOSOON for an article about this endeavour, since it is not yet finished and the goal not yet achieved – how significant will it be if, for some reason, he has to give up next week? Remember, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, has WP:no deadline, and is not a vehicle for promotion.

Of course, none of this stops you from accumulating references and text in anticipation of Saeed Alememari's success, either on your own device, or here but in a WP:DRAFT rather than a Mainspace Article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.191 (talk) 11:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

This achievement only begins to become interesting when he has been summiting high points that are more than 7,000 meters. David notMD (talk) 12:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Why My Article Doesn't Publish?[edit]

I write a article about a Bangladeshi Tv Director, He direct so much Drama and movies. I Give all of information in this article, please some one Check this and tell me what wrong in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nuruddin_Md_Taher_Shipon Raihanprodhania (talk) 07:52, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Raihanprodhania/sandbox. The user had started this on their userpage which someone moved to a draft. I felt this wasn't correct way and reverted the move, and copied the whole content to this user's sandbox. Leaving the assistance and other stuff to other Teahouse hosts. Thanks ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 08:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Raihanprodhania: In brief, what is wrong is that the statements made are not backed up with sources that can be verified by a reader of the article. Wikipedia has a strict policy for biographies of living people that anything said about them must be cited to reliable sources and in total show the individual is notable by very specific standards. Taher Shipon may indeed be notable but your references don't illustrate this. For example, I looked at reference #1 and as far as I can tell it doesn't even mention him, far less give significant and detailed information about him. A second issue is that you have uploaded a photograph of Taher Shipon and marked it as "own work", implying that you took the photograph. Is that the case? Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

How to demonstrate the WP:THREE best sources which demonstrate notability[edit]

Hi all, and thank you for the editor feedback :@Liance:, it was actually a lot easier to understand and interpret than I had anticipated (as a Wikipedia editing newb). In reference to Paywith.glass, just to make sure that I have indeed understood this correctly, the challenge with our sources is that they only mention the subject and are not directly written about the subject, somewhat like the subject is just a supporting cast member and not the start.

You may note that for many of the cited articles^[1][2][3], the terms used are 'led by' in references to the subject. Additionally, the subject matter in this draft is the financial services infrastructure/technology which is critical for the leading subjects that are mentioned in the cited public sources to be cited themselves or for the cited articles to even exist in the first place.

Unfortunately, in the banking industry, it's not the tech infrastructure that is usually perceived as the star of the show (it's either considered boring or too complicated) but the organizations that rely on it instead. Until someone does a direct editorial on the specific technology infrastructure used in the initiative that will be officially launched in April 2022, I am uncertain of how to cite sources which more clearly illustrate that the infrastructure itself is critical to the mentioned citations even being there in the first place.

I would like a bit of guidance or some recommendations on what to look for specifically in the cited materials in order to meet the criteria pointed out in the feedback.

Thank you for your time and help in advance. Hatter.glass (talk) 08:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

This must be about Draft:Paywith.glass. (I've read the lead twice, but have no idea what this product is or does.) Maproom (talk) 09:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

hi :@Maproom:, thank you for the feedback. This is good to know. So it is essentially digital currency infrastructure that let's nation states issue, manage and distribute their CBDCs on one side with automatic cross-border interoperability, then on the other side, it allows banks, fintechs, mobile money operators, e-Commerce service providers and aggregators support the acceptance and use of these CBDCs for their customers (business and consumer) for regular financial transactions. So it is similar to China's DC/EP infrastructure for the Digital renminbi except it's not limited to one country's CBDC. So if it's not clear for you, it will also not be clear to others. So my question to you if you don't mind is, how can we better communicate this in the draft?Hatter.glass (talk) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Hatter.glass:, I've now had time to look at the three sources you list above. I don't think any of them helps to establish that the subject is notable: the first seems to be a press release, Bloomberg doesn't format their own content like that; the second has just a brief mention of the subject; and the third reports what Jhanji has said, and so is not independent (it also describes it as a pilot scheme, and expresses the view that the scheme will never be realised). As for making the draft more comprehensible: you need to start at the beginning, and explain whether the thing is hardware, software, a protocol, or just pie-in-the-sky. And avoid unexplained terms like "CBDC". Maproom (talk) 12:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Nora Napaltjari Nelson[edit]

I am wondering about what to do about this Yuendemu artist's incorrectly spelled name on wiki. The name on wiki is currently Norah Napaljari Nelson. The Darwin Supreme Court, where one of her paintings has been translated into a mosaic floor, lists her name as Nora Napaltjari Nelson, which would seem like an authoritative source, but I have made errors in editing before and I am anxious to not make more. I also know that she passed away sometime in the last 3-6 years, because I know people who knew her, but I can find no online reference or record. I only have a printed brochure from the recent 30th anniversary of the opening of the Supreme Court that implies her passing, and I have not found that online anywhere. Advice most welcome. Teepeemee (talk) 08:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia (not just wiki) article on Norah Nelson Napaljarri explains that 'Napaljarri' is Warlpiri, and 'Napaltjarri' is the Western Desert dialect. That seems clear enough. I don't think a label in a Darwin court would be an authoritative source. The National Gallery of Victoria might be more reliable.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

How to edit[edit]

in this page most https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samata_Party information are wrong I have all references , kindly plz change according to it AhmdAsjad (talk) 09:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

The place to discuss potential improvements to an article is on its talk page Talk:Samata Party. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

You and User:समता1988 have an ongoing dispute at Talk:Samata Party, with that editor calling for you to be blocked, and being proponant of N.A. Khoan. What I find most interesting, but completely unable to understand, is that you have each posted an "official" website of the Samata Party that do not match. One states that N.A. Khoan is Secretary General (samataparty.co.in) and the other that Uday Kumar Mandal is the Secretary General (samataparty.org). I think this is beyond the scope of Teahouse help. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with an abusive user?[edit]

After realizing that Justanother2 was harassing multiple users and not contributing anything useful, Bluerules suggested to me that I file a report at WP:ANI. I did that here, but it doesn't look like any administrators are going to do anything about it and I'm wondering if I filed that report at the wrong place. Can anyone look at it and tell me if there's a more appropriate place for this type of report? Back Bay Barry (talk) 14:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I think you have reported it in the right place, have patience(Anybody is free to disagree). Vial of Power (talk) 14:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Recover Deleted Article[edit]

Hello, How can I recover a deleted article, I will like to re-write it> I was on vacation when a user brought up n issue regarding the reference. Olaintel (talk) 14:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Olaintel! Check out WP:REFUND. casualdejekyll 14:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

You can't recover a deleted article, @Olaintel. You can however rewrite it as a draft, but make sure you do not repeat the errors, or give reason for deletion. Please also follow all criteria while rewriting, and happy editing! Vial of Power (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

looks like I was wrong, Sorry for that! Vial of Power (talk) 14:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Which article is this about? The odds and procedure of getting a deleted article back depend on the method used to delete it. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Titanokorys cladogram help[edit]

Hi, I am trying to get the Titanokorys article ready for a GAN, So I made a cladogram. it looks good, but there are some things that could be fixed. Here is the article were I was trying to replicate https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.210664. If anyone could help that would be great!. Fossiladder13 (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fossiladder13: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you post your request for assistance at the article's talk page: Talk:Titanokorys, with details of what needs to be fixed. If you don't receive any response after a few days, you could reach out to the WikiProjects listed on the talk page, and invite them to join the discussion at Talk:Titanokorys. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

how can i edit it[edit]

This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse. how can i edit it... plz help AhmdAsjad (talk) 15:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@AhmdAsjad: Hello Ahmd! You shouldn't have to worry about the page being semi-protected as your account is auto-confirmed meaning you are able to make edits to id. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

You have been editing the article as recently as yesterday. The issue is not whether you can edit it, but can you and other editors reach consensus on the Talk page before you return to editing it. See my comment earlier today at "How to edit." David notMD (talk) 16:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Possibly inappropriately closed merge discussion[edit]

Hello! While looking through recent changes, I encountered this edit. The user merged the article saying it was per a merge discussion. However I took a look at the merge discussion and I'm not seeing any clear support for the merge. Where would the appropriate place to request a re-evaluation of a merge discussion be? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, talk page of closer is usually the first step.Slywriter (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright sounds good. I'll ask them. Where would I go after that (if they don't respond at all)? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Closing_discussions says WP:AN would be next stop since we don't have a forum dedicated to merge review.Slywriter (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright sounds good. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

reliable and independent sources = example[edit]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Priyanka chahar choudhary

hey i made a submission but it declined and it says not notable .can someone please give me example of reliable and independent references please .thank you in advance Akb bhatia (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources which says The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. Theroadislong (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Akb bhatia: All 3 sources are from The Times of India, which is generally considered unreliable. See WP:TOI. You will need more reliable sources to show they are notable. --The Tips of Apmh 17:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

You will also need to explain how it is different from the version that was deleted here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priyanka Choudhary. Theroadislong (talk) 17:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Theroadislong hey can you please tell that India today source is reliable or not

@Akb bhatia: India Today is mixed in its reliability, they seem to have a history of not fact-checking their information. --The Tips of Apmh 18:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Creating a wiki page for my company[edit]

 Courtesy link: Draft:APTN lumi

Hi there!

I have been tasked with setting up a wiki page for one of my companies products, it was just declined because it sounded like too much of a advertisement and there were not enough secondary sources which is fair, Any tips on fixing this without much media coverage? the sister company already has a pretty detailed page, but for this we do not have that much to say or things to link to.

Thanks, O Owenpantos (talk) 17:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Owenpantos: Hello Owen! Are you being paid by your company to make the page? If so you are required to disclose it, and then follow the instructions at WP:COI and WP:PAID. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Owenpantos: First, your draft clearly reads like an advertisement and uses puffery words like "inspiring", "enlightening", "entertaining", "enjoy", etc. This is not acceptable on Wikipedia. Secondly, you seem to be doing this paid, which is also not allowed. Third, you only have 9 edits and you are trying to make an article. We reccomend doing minor edits to articles before trying to create an article. Thanks, The Tips of Apmh 17:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

There is no Wikipedia policy expressly forbidding paid or unpaid editing, however it is strongly discouraged. I wanted to clear that up so @Owenpantos doesn't think they are violating policy. They are, however, required to disclose such information. Failure to do so is a violation of policy. --ARoseWolf 17:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Everyone! still learning about all of this thank you, everyone, for your feedback, not sure how to direct these comments to you Blaze Wolf and Arose, but this all makes sense and I appreciate it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owenpantos (talk • contribs) 18:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Owenpantos: No problem! Glad I could help. Please make sure you follow the instructions at WP:PAID for disclosing that you're being paid. I don't want you to get blocked just because you hadn't disclosed that you're being paid. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Owenpantos, please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Newbie[edit]

Can i find a pen friend who will guide me more into Wikipedia editing? Ziggypelle (talk) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ziggypelle: Hello, Ziggypelle, and welcome to the teahouse. There is a project called Adopt-A-User, maybe that could work for you? --The Tips of Apmh 17:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Editing freely[edit]

Why cant i post a page that people can edit freely? Spencertheidiot (talk) 17:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Spencertheidiot - Welcome to the Teahouse!

You must be autoconfirmed to create pages on your own. Check out Wikipedia:Article wizard for creating articles as a new user. casualdejekyll 17:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Spencertheidiot: ALong with the above reason, Wikipedia doesn't really have any place where users can edit freely without any chance of being reverted. The closest thing to that is WP:SANDBOX and even then there are still some restrictions on what you can do there. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Relevant reading for @Spencertheidiot and @Blaze Wolf - Wikipedia Art casualdejekyll 17:41, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Spencertheidiot: If you were interested in having a page where you could start creating a draft for a Wikipedia article, you could use your user sandbox. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

FYI: Your sandbox will not be found by anyone using an external search such as Google, or a search within Wikipedia. It is a semi-private space. And, Wikipedia does not have 'pages,' it has articles of encyclopedia quality, with references validating all information. David notMD (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Wikipedia has millions of pages that are not encyclopedia articles, such as talk pages, category pages, file pages, help pages, and user pages such as the user sandbox I mentioned. GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Citing Articles from EBSCO and other Wikipedia Libraries[edit]

Can someone please tell me...if I've found a corroborating article in EBSCO or one of the other Wikipedia libraries, and the library doesn't provide a link to the original piece, and I can't find the same article anywhere else (after an hour of searching), how do I cite it? LJA123 (talk) 17:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @LJA123, and apologies you had to spend all that time searching. The template you're looking for is {{EBSCOhost}}, which you can use with CS1 citations (the default citation method) like this: |id={{EBSCOhost|129997295}}. You're not the only one who has been struggling with this, so I'll ping @Samwalton9 (WMF), who helps run the library, to this discussion. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm. 'Didn't work. It says I need a valid URL...--LJA123 (talk) 19:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@LJA123, could you link to the specific article you're trying to cite and place you're trying to cite it? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

That's what I've spent all this time looking for--a Rolling Stone article from 2001. You'd think it would be easy to find...not. That's OK, for now, I've cited it without a link. Thanks.--LJA123 (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@LJA123, I meant the link to the EBSCO search result or wherever else you came across the article, even if you can't access the full thing. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh! lol. Yes, I have the full article on the EBSCO site. I already tried using that link as a citation. Wikipedia accepted it. But when I clicked on it, as the reader would, it just took me to Ebsco.com--the home page. So that link is of no use to the reader.--LJA123 (talk) 20:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@LJA123, yes, that's what can happen. I have access to the Wikipedia Library, too, so if you tell me the name of the article or give me the name of the search, I can bring it up myself on EBSCO and help pull out the identifier, which is what we need to get a persistent link. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

OK it's Rolling Stone. 03/01/2001, Issue 863, p27. 4/5p. Edwards, Gavin. 'New Faces' ISSN 0035-791X Accession Number 4138696 Thanks--LJA123 (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

LJA123, the accession number was what we needed to plug into the template. {{EBSCOhost|4138696}} produces EBSCOhost 4138696. I've added that and fixed up your citations for you here. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh that's great, thanks. I did enter that, under URL. Maybe I should have put it in the Website box? Dunno. Hopefully, I can figure it out next time. Cheers.--LJA123 (talk) 23:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia javascript Extensions[edit]

What are Wikipedia javascript extensions and how do I use them? For example, what are the benefits of User:Evad37/rater. ScientistBuilder (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder
You can use Javascript extensions by adding them to your common.js (Special:myPage/common.js), although you can use a gadget called Script Installer to make it easier. As for rater, I don't use it, but one js extension that I do use often here at the Teahouse is Writ Keeper's Teahouse Utility, which gives a one-click button for teahouse invitations and talkbacks. (Also: Under the hood, Twinkle is a Javascript extension, but it's a Gadget now, too.) casualdejekyll 17:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

How do javascript extensions work and how do you program one? ScientistBuilder (talk) 19:10, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Are there any risks associated with javascript extensions? I don't want any unwanted changes from a javascript extension. happening ScientistBuilder (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

There are definitely risks involved. If Javascript extensions are used by many people then that is a sign that there may be nothing to worry about. But remember that you are responsible for any script mishaps. I haven't had any issue yet - you can see what scripts I have at user:casualdejekyll/common.js. @ScientistBuilder casualdejekyll 19:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I didn't actually know that COI helper and Edit Request helper were 2 different things and didn't work with each other. I thought edit request helper helped with any type of edit request, but clearly I'm wrong! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes! It annoys me quite a bit. I've done a little bit of work to try and make them more compatible, but they'll probably be seperate tools for a long while yet. casualdejekyll 19:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia explanation video on how to javascript extensions? ScientistBuilder (talk) 22:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Criteria for Quote Attribution[edit]

So I'm new here, and I started on a somewhat controversial talk page Talk:American_exceptionalism#Moral_Basis_of_Idea_is_Ignored which may have been a mistake, but review it and see what's going on. My question is, I brought up the lack of an important quote purportedly wrongfully attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville. It turns out the first mention of the quote is in a 1922 letter written to a magazine in which someone details a church service where the pastor made this quote: "I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers—and it was not there. . . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests—and it was not there. . . . .in her rich mines and her vast world commerce—and it was not there. . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution—and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great." The pastor in 1922 attributed the quote to de Tocqueville. However, this quote doesn't appear in any of his writings. Does a quote have to appear in writing in order to be "attributed" to the person? Or is this secondary source enough? He could have said it in a famous (at the time) speech not recorded anywhere in surviving texts. (Pure conjecture) I'm new to this, so please tell me the standards for attribution, thanks! Lincoln1809 (talk) 17:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lincoln1809! For stuff like this, we try to go with what the experts believe, since anything more than that is original research, which is not allowed. So the way to frame your question is, what do the most respected de Tocqueville experts believe about the veracity of this quote? If they think he said it, we can include it verbatim (assuming it's relevant enough to the article). If they think maybe, we could say "some scholars believe...". If it's too disputed, leave it out and perhaps save it for Wikiquote, where the dispute can be noted. You can open a discussion at Talk:Alexis de Tocqueville if the answer isn't clear. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Friendly Help[edit]

Hello, I Wanted to bring this up. I am have an article about me at Mario Cerrito. It was put up for deletion on February 3rd and was put into the "keep" status. After 5 days it was reopened and again put up for deletion discussion. I left a note on the nominators wall to no avail that read like this. Hello, this is Mario Cerrito. I am a little upset about what just happened. As a working artist and businessman your name means a lot. I am currently casting for a new movie and was just informed this morning by an actors agent after he "googled me" that my wikipedia is facing deletion. He asked me why. As embarrassing as it was when he asked me, I didn't know how to respond. What is irritating me the worst is after researching the history on the article it was JUST nominated for deletion and passed as "keep." As much as I don't know about wikipedia I started doing some research/reading and found under (Wikipedia: Renominating for Deletion) it states : If the XfD discussion was closed as “keep”, generally do not renominate the page for at least six months, unless there is something new to say, and even so, usually wait a few months. After checking it has literally been a matter of 5 days and a page about me has the deletion tag again and it is not right. I can read above that Tamzin seems to have the problem and upon looking at the just passed deletion discussion she forgot to mention it looks to be 5 Keep votes including Alanshohn, Eddy, Roman Spinner, Lamona and Saisykat. I see that a few were crossed out for whatever reasons but I am going off of what I am reading. You have to understand that as a working artist and individual something like a deletion tag on the first website that pops up when people "google you" is very demeaning. I am in the process of casting a film and people do research of who they are working with. To point out something else under (Wikipedia : Renominating for deletion) it also states "If you wish to renominate the page, hoping to achieve a different outcome, then slow down. You and the other participants may be overly involved with a particular perspective. Relisting immediately may come across as combative. Immediate second round participants are less likely to listen, and are more likely to dig in their heels. You may be right, but the audience won’t be receptive. The other participants very likely will be thinking that you have not been listening to them." I feel this has been handled unfairly and wished to express my concerns with you since you were the username who "kept" and then relisted." I wouldn't normall do something like this but felt I should since it's my name and livelihood. Thank you. Mario CerritoItalic text

I am writing to see if anyone can help. One editor seems to keep targeting the page and I do not think it has been handled fairly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioCerrito (talk • contribs) 18:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I've addressed this in the deletion discussion page. The article needs to be updated with less of a resume tone. Lincoln1809 (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I see that the article Mario Cerrito was created eight weeks ago by Penandpencil2021, an account that was created only a week earlier and has recently been blocked from editing. The agent may have wondered if you had paid someone to create an article about you, and the creator had breached Wikipedia terms by failing to declare that they were a paid editor. If I were in your position, I'd tell the truth (whatever it is) to the agent. Penandpencil2021's failing should not reflect on you. Maproom (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

OP is being discussed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MikePlant1. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

...and now blocked. --Blablubbs (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@MarioCerrito: I understand your frustration and am sorry that Wikipedia bureaucracy is inconvenient for you. Unfortunately, this due process is necessary to maintain quality of Wikipedia content and, ultimately, its reputation. I would be glad to help you if you are willing to follow Wikipedia rules (especially, WP:COI). By the way, the bureaucratic nightmare that you are going through is largely caused by involvement of so many unscrupulous accounts. In fact, I rarely see so many sock puppet accounts in one place and never saw AfD being reopened.

I see a lot of links in references, but after I checked a few at random, none appeared reliable, independent, and in-depth. In other words, the sources I checked do not count for the purposes of notability. Could you list three strongest sources which you believe support your argument the best? If you like I can check all sources myself, but that would take some time.

Anton.bersh (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Standard Steps & Timeline for Requesting Edits?[edit]

I posted suggested updates to the Change.org talk pages in December (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change.org) and was wondering what the appropriate next steps are and standard timelines. Is this something you might be able to help me with or advise on? I'm unclear as to whom would actually review my proposal and make the adjustments. Should I pull them through directly and just include all the required citations and disclosers regarding my affiliation or should I just wait for someone to voluntarily assess and apply the edits? I want to ensure I fully follow and respect Wikipedia editing guidelines and welcome any guidance you can offer. ElleLinElle (talk) 18:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ElleLinElle: Hello Elle! On the talk page you have attempted to disclose that you are being paid by Change.org to make edits (as an employee of Change.org), however you haven't disclosed it on your userpage yet. I highly suggest you read WP:PAID and follow the instructions to do it properly. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

There is a massive backlog on COI edit requests.. It could take anywhere from a few days to a few months. Sorry. casualdejekyll 18:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ElleLinElle: I added {{edit request}} to Talk:Change.org#Updates to General Overview Box & Introductory Overview for you, to add your request to the backlog. GoingBatty (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all for the responses! I will update my userpage accordingly and thank you so much GoingBatty for adding me to the backlog! I will use that tag in the future! ElleLinElle (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

page[edit]

I was wondering when I could publish pages again and also how to delete pages that are not allowed? Garry23112 (talk) 19:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Garry23112, could you clarify what you mean by "again"? Articles are deleted through the articles for deletion process, whereas other types of pages have separate processes. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Don't try to publish articles like this [5] though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Garry23112: I looked through your edit history and it appears you are misinterpreting what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is not a social media website and not a blog where you "post" about yourself like you did on User:Garry23112. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where people collect well-sourced information about notable subjects unrelated to them. Anton.bersh (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia a programming language like JavaScript?[edit]

Is Wikipedia formatting a language like TeX, JavaScript,Wolfram Language, or LaTeX? I am curious based on learning on my question about javascript extensions above. Or maybe it would be more accurate to ask is Media Wiki a language? ScientistBuilder (talk) 19:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki formatting is its own beast. It is not a programming language like JavaScript, it is a markup language, like HTML.

EDIT: Sorry @ScientistBuilder, I keep forgetting to ping you! casualdejekyll 19:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: To clarify the above: Wikipedia articles use a custom markup language (like HTML, TeX/LaTeX), not a programming language (like JavaScript, Wolfram Language). I recommend you to clear up the distinction before going further. Also, MediaWiki is a piece of software which powers Wikipedia (and other encyclopedias). Anton.bersh (talk) 19:54, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

However, Wikipedia does incorporate a programming language called CSS (apologies if that's also not a programming language, I'm not a programmer) which helps make certain stylistic things work. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

CSS is a style sheet language, which is closer to a programming language then the MediaWiki markup, but still isn't. casualdejekyll 20:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: In MediaWiki you can make templates which have some programming features like conditional expressions and function calls with variables, but not loops. Since 2013, Wikipedia's MediaWiki installation includes mediawikiwiki:Extension:Scribunto which supports Lua, a full programming language. See Wikipedia:Lua. There is a limited number of editors who know Lua and the code has to be on separate pages called modules so it's limited what we use it for, but it's a powerful language. Wikipedia also has user scripts and Wikipedia:Gadgets written in JavaScript and/or CSS, but saved articles cannot call scripts. They run in the user's browser and can help with editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Has there been any cases of malicious scripts? How trustworthy are scripts created by Wikipedia users? ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Can someone upload some files[edit]

The reason i cant do it on my own because the copyright system on commons suck really bad^[1] (and i quit uploading there because i "violated" copyright laws that arent real^[2]), so i will send you the image if you just leave a message on the talk page TzarN64 (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@TzarN64! Welcome back to the Teahouse!
The copyright system on Commons is incredibly simple! You can only upload a file to Commons if it is freely usable everywhere. That one sentence describes Commons entire licensing policy. What is the image, anyway? (If it's copyrighted, don't send it. See WP:NFCC.) casualdejekyll 19:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Is English not your first language? For a long time now you've been struggling with using the English Wikipedia - you should check to see if there is a Wikipedia in your first language. casualdejekyll 19:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Citing Sources[edit]

I am not sure how to do the process of changing the URL when I click on Mises En Pratique Definition for the Second at BIPM Mises En Pratique the pdf automatically downloads and when I open it the address is on my local drive. ScientistBuilder (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder, it looks like the URLs for those files include a "download=true" in them. Just change it to "download=false" and it'll open in your browser instead, resulting in a better URL to cite. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I go to the link https://www.bipm.org/en/publications/mises-en-pratique

I am in Chrome and go to site settings and change automatic downloads settings to Block.

I click on Ampere Mises En pratique.

The article is downloaded to my computer.

How can I stop the article from downloading? ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding my Book Series to Wikipedia[edit]

Hello,

I have written a book series that has dozens of reviews by reputable sources and has won several awards. However, I am not good at writing Wiki entries. Is there someone that could create the page for me? I tried last year, but was rejected over and over again.

Thank you, Mojarra69 (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mojarra69, it looks like the article you're trying to create is Draft:The Search For Synergy. That draft has been firmly rejected because you have not provided citations to the reputable sources reviewing it. Could you share the URLs to the three best of those sources here? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:41, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mojarra69: I can help you write the article draft, if you can provide at least three good sources (see comment above for criteria). Right now, the article has no usable sources. Anton.bersh (talk) 20:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

How to send warning to editors after reversion[edit]

After I revert any edit how to let them know and warn the user?... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 20:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

In general, you should leave edit comment explaining your reason for revert. If you need to leave a warning, you can use any of existing templates, here are a few to choose from. Anton.bersh (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Along with Anton.bersh, you should try Twinkle, as a faster way to revert, and to send out warnings/notices. Severestorm28 23:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I need to resolve a problem trying to log in after a prolonged absence[edit]

I am a long-time user and contributor with the WP user name Bruin2. Although my user name still seems to be acceptable on your system, my old password is not. I have made multiple attempts to create a new password using the "forgot password" directions, each time I have received a reply saying that there is already another password associated with this user name. I don't want to create a new account with a new user name, because for historical continuity, I want to keep my existing identity. Can someone help me resolve this issue? Right now my new edits can only appear using an IP number. Thanks.2601:648:8202:D080:F8DE:FA6F:37C6:89AC (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC) 2601:648:8202:D080:F8DE:FA6F:37C6:89AC (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Have you enabled any password recovery mechanisms? For example, have you added a recovery email or included committed identity at any point in your editing history? Anton.bersh (talk) 22:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Bruin2 has stored an email address but we cannot see it for privacy reasons. What exactly happens when you enter Bruin2 but no email address at Special:PasswordReset? Your description does not sound familiar to me. Where do you see the reply you refer to? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Why special pages cannot be edited?[edit]

2603:8000:F400:FCEA:1577:560D:84C3:D9D5 Mailbox  00:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Because special pages are generated on demand by the MediaWiki software which powers Wikipedia. Their structure is written into the software. But many special pages include some English text which can be edited by administrators. Is there something specific you would like? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Please fix the infobox[edit]

User:२ तकर पेप्सी/Sandbox making a article ready for a actor but getting error in the infobox section. Any editor who has experience fixing it kindly fix it. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 00:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

also @Liz: tried[6] but she can't get it fixed. Someone please look at this.... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 00:55, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest instead asking at WP:VPT. I find it strange how when previewing the edit, it says the infobox has a bunch of unknown parameters when those parameters are used normally. I've found that edit previews are just generally buggy. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी: The page had a lot of non-breaking spaces instead of normal spaces. Between a parameter name and equals sign, non-breaking spaces are interpreted as part of the parameter name. This doesn't match the parameter name expected by templates. I see you fixed much of it. I have changed the remaining non-breaking spaces to normal spaces, also outside template calls.[7] If we actually want a non-breaking space in the output then we write   or call a template like {{spaces}}, so editors can see in the source what is happening. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I never would've caught that. I didn't see any non-breaking spaces that I"m used to so I assumed something was wrong. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

26 minutes is probably too fast to refer a user to WP:VPT. Somebody else may come along here. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I had referred them to WP:VPT because I saw that as a more appropriate place for a question like this because there they would be asking the question to editors who might be able to figure it out easier than editors here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thankyou for fixing it. This maybe happened as I copied the whole article from Liz's email. Btw thanks again. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 01:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't see how copying it from Liz's email to you would've cause those non-breaking spaces to appear... ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:26, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I used my smartphone to copy the full article and I guess it created some extra space as previously there was np. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 01:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी: Various software can insert non-breaking spaces in a sometimes misguided attempt to preserve layout. In HTML, MediaWiki and many other places, consecutive normal spaces render as a single space. It's not a rare issue in Wikipedia. Some templates are coded to specifically detect and warn about non-breaking spaces but the code to detect unknown template parameters doesn't do it. Maybe it should. There is a subtle hint in the preview warning for [8] where the quoted parameter names include visible spaces before the ending quotation mark. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I feel like instead the preview warning should say that there may be non-breaking spaces in the parameter name. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Changes can be suggested at Module talk:Check for unknown parameters. The mentioned subtle hint is not deliberate but simply the result of displaying the used parameter name in quotation marks. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia.[edit]

Hi, I have had my article constantly declined with the reason that the submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. The article is 5irechain and I will love the guidance of more experienced editors on how best to rectify this challenge and get my article approved. LambarGuru (talk) 00:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

LambarGuru, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, this basically means the article doesn’t conform with our policy on WP:NPOV and is accordance with WP:PROMO which falls under what Wikipedia is WP:NOT, this means you must re-write the article and ensure all words or statements are neutrally worded. Celestina007 (talk) 01:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

LambarGuru, your writing does not come anywhere near to what is expected for a neutral encyclopedia article. Your lead sentences are 5ire is an open-source platform to build smart contracts and decentralized blockchain applications, with consensus achieved using proof of stake. It focuses on sustainanble practices of individuals and organizations and can facilitate peer-to-peer transactions with its internal cryptocurrency, 5irechain. In addition to smart contracts, the 5ire project provides open-source software for authentication, adata storage and replication. That is highly promotional language packed with promotional blockchain/cryptocurrency/NFT jargon and typogrphical errors. It belongs in a company brochure, not in an encyclopedia article. Who, other than the company, says those contacts are "smart"? Who, other than the company, says that those practices are "sustainanble" (sic)? An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what reliable sources that are entirely independent of the topic (5ire) say about the topic (5ire). Recapitulating the company's marketing materials is unacceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 02:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Subjects[edit]

I have a question about most Featured Articles. When I go to the English Wikipedia home page and see what the Featured Article is, I often wonder to myself, "How did this become a featured article?" I am not questioning the idea of a Featured Article, it is just that a lot of Featured Articles seem to be niche culturally specific articles that I've never heard of. I guess the explanation for this is people edit what they are interested in and that's what articles get edits. ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

See WP:Featured article criteria. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Today's featured article on Main Page is picked from existing articles which have gained featured article status due to their quality, not importance. It's sometimes an article with relevance to the day but often it's fairly random. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Unless it's April Fools. Then it's a bit different (I recall last year the TFA on April Fools was Groundhog Day (film) and consisted of one phrase repeating, which is the entire premise of the film). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder, Featured articles are not "articles about important topics". Instead, they are thoroughly researched and well written articles about any topic that editors who specialize in this type of article find interesting and engaging. You can find a complete categorized list of those articles at WP:FA. They are only about one tenth of one percent of all articles. As for "How did this become a featured article?", it underwent a very comprehensive and detailed peer review, details of which can be found on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 02:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to get to work on making more technology and science Featured Articles. ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Math Formatting in Efn Template[edit]

Is there a way to use math formatting in an efn template? I tried <math> and {{{1}}} but the option to add math didn't appear. I think this is because nested templates are not allowed. Is there a way to resolve this? ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

My edit attempt is at International System of Units. I was able to add a URL citation with ^[1] but I would like to figure out how to use the automatic citation tool in the efn template for citing my tooltip. ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I know it's definitely not because nested templates aren't allowed. If you check the efns I have in the table on Euro Truck Simulator 2, there are references using references templates in them. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library Citation Rejected[edit]

I am working on editing European Union as an emerging superpower. I working on adding a source https://eds.p.ebscohost.com/eds/detail/detail?vid=2&sid=90eaeac7-516a-468a-a9c6-46cf8a9ec3d7%40redis&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWRzLWxpdmUmc2NvcGU9c2l0ZQ%3d%3d#AN=edshol.hein.journals.jcmks56.148&db=edshol. also available at https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/login?auth=production&url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=edshol&AN=edshol.hein.journals.jcmks56.148&site=eds-live&scope=site The edit is not going through because of an ebsco login block or something. How can I make this happen? ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

The error message:

Warning: An automated filter has identified that your edit includes a link or reference running through a local proxy – typically, the links include '.proxy.', '.gate.', 'ebsco', 'oclc' or similar in the domain. Such links only work inside the institution that is providing the proxy (sometimes even only in your current login session). The link is (often completely) useless for anyone who does not have access to the proxy of the institution that you are in.

NOTE: you will NOT be able to save this edit if you do not resolve the issue with the proxy link that you added in your edit.

Please replace the proxy links with direct links that do not use a proxy. Thanks!

typical proxy links and how to repair

aa.bb.cc.proxy.xx.yy.zz - a local proxy appended to the domain-name of the original publisher:

'https://www.oxfordartonline.com.proxy.lib.duke.edu/<path>' should be replaced by 'http://www.oxfordartonline.com/<path>'

aa-bb-cc-dd.xx.yy.oclc.org - oclc.org proxy, where the dots in the original domainname are replaced with a dash:

'https://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.ucsf.idm.oclc.org/<path>' should be replaced by 'www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/<path>'

ebscohost, e.g. https://eds.a.ebscohost.com/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?...., https://web.a.ebscohost.com/abstract?.....

You can link to https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?AN=<access number> (the ebsco 'permanent link' to the reco ScientistBuilder (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)