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Discretionary sanctions topic area changes[edit]

In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.

The topics proposed for revocation are:

• Senkaku islands
• Waldorf education
• Ancient Egyptian race controversy
• Scientology
• Landmark worldwide

The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:

• India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
• Armenia/Azerbaijan

Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.

Community feedback is invited and welcome at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions. --Barkeep49 (talk) 04:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NSPORT[edit]

I think the community will eventually end up back at some sort of participation metric with more scrutiny at which leagues are included in the metric. It is the cleanest, and makes the most intuitive sense. I also think that there will remain an expectation that articles about athletes must have more than just database coverage. --Enos733 (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If (big if) the interested editors for a given sport agree on the predictor principle, and they do the groundwork to show that, say, 95% of all athletes (probably based on a random sample) in league X (possibly after year Y, and maybe with Z appearances) have suitable coverage that meets the general notability guideline, I think a community consensus can be reached to agree. There may be some editors who will be adamant against participation criteria, but I think a compromise can be found. But that only covers a certain number of sports; (association) football is more club-centric with the relegation/promotion framework, plus there's a national team aspect. (It also runs into the problem of systemic bias of media coverage which some feel strongly about. However that's a much broader problem that really needs an editorial board to resolve.)

Database entries have long been considered to be routine coverage and thus not suitable for meeting the general notability guideline. The problem was that they are sufficient to show that a participation criterion has been met, so editors focus on that instead of trying to find suitable sources to show that the general notability guideline has been met. isaacl (talk) 21:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]