Be nice or be gone. Thank you.

Praemonitus, you are invited to the Teahouse[edit]

Hi Praemonitus! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Be our guest at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Wikipedia and get help from peers and experienced editors. I hope to see you there! Jtmorgan (I'm a Teahouse host) Visit the Teahouse This message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot (talk) 01:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

barnstar[edit]

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For identifying a hoax that has now been removed. Good work! Beeblebrox (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Cayperl plateau[edit]

I second that - congratulations on spotting this as a hoax. You did exactly the right thing to put a {{hoax}} tag on it - that adds it to a category where people like me who are interested in demolishing hoaxes will see it and check it out (and sometimes find it's real after all). When I saw it there, I checked up on it, and nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cayperl plateau. That would normally start a discussion, lasting seven days, anyone can comment and recommend keep or delete, and at the end an uninvolved administrator would decide what to do, based on the arguments put forward, not on a count of heads.

However Beeblebrox, another admin and an Alaskan himself, looking at my nomination, decided it was a blatant enough hoax to qualify for speedy deletion, and zapped it.

What put you onto it? I am always annoyed to see that well-meaning editors fuss around something like this, tidying it up and correcting the format, and never bother to take five minutes to check whither it is just made-up nonsense. Welcome, again! Here are some links that you may find helpful:

• The five pillars of Wikipedia
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• How to edit a page and How to develop articles
• How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard if you wish)
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Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Beeblebrox and JohnCD. I tried to find corroborating references, but I couldn't locate anything. There is almost always something published on a geological landform like this. The unsubstantiated part about a well-known politician like Sarah Palin made me suspicious. Praemonitus (talk) 01:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Ravenloft: Stone Prophet[edit]

Hey, thanks for adding a citation to Ravenloft: Stone Prophet from Computer Gaming World. I was wondering, would you be able to add anything from there to the Reception section? BOZ (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

You can obtain a copy of that issue from the CGW Museum. There's further information in that article you should be able to use. Praemonitus (talk) 15:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I can't check that out from work, but I will take a look at it when I'm at home. BOZ (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Light-foot[edit]

Thank you for looking at the article, and suggesting changes. You have my thanks for averting a edit war, which is never a good thing, even to get started. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.156.92 (talk) 05:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Praemonitus (talk) 05:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

John Mason Clarke[edit]

John Mason Clarke is no doubt a very good article. I just thought that the "Biography" part could be divided into smaller sections to make it more accessible. Do you disagree? ~ Anastasia (talk) 02:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

My sense of the guidance from WP:BODY is that short sections are generally discouraged. As there are only four paragraphs in the Biography section, I don't feel that further sub-division would be beneficial in this regard. Once the article is expanded further, additional sections will then be needed. Praemonitus (talk) 02:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Mass Effect 2[edit]

Thank you for your constructive comments and copy-edits, much appreciated. --Niwi3 (talk) 15:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Praemonitus (talk) 15:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Its always great to have people who not only review articles, but do some copyediting as well...This edit was definitely helpful. Thank you! I'll try and address the concerns you have raised at the FAC by tomorrow evening.--MONGO 02:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 15:14, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Explorer II[edit]

I have started reviewing Template:Did you know nominations/Explorer II, and I have a few questions. Chris857 (talk) 18:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Explorer II[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Praemonitus (talk) 00:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks![edit]

I appreciate the time you spent to comment at the FAC for Fort Yellowstone.--MONGO 02:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Congratulations on pushing the article through for promotion. Praemonitus (talk) 03:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Input request[edit]

Hello Praemonitus,

I am requesting input from all participants in the discussion from the recent Signpost article on sexism in Wikipedia for a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/National teams#Proposed change: consistency in article title gendering. Thank you in advance for any contributions to the discussion. Dkreisst (talk) 21:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Future of the Earth[edit]

Hello. Please see Talk:Future of the Earth#KIC 12557548 b. Thank you. Pseudonymous Rex (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Earth[edit]

That was quick update. ThanksGlevum (talk)

FAN Request[edit]

Hello! Since you were very helpful a few months ago when I nominated "Deadalive" for FA, I was wondering if you could drop by Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/X-Cops (The X-Files)/archive1 and cast a vote/provide suggestions. Thanks!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 00:29, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

August 2013[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would ask that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on User talk:Redd Foxx 1991. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. GSK ● ✉ ✓ 09:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay. The behavior of this user came to my attention when he removed a cleanup template I had added to an article. He made no attempt to address the concern, nor did he leave a message explaining why he removed the template. I went back and checked his prior edits and found he had repeatedly behaved in this manner despite multiple previous warnings. I wanted to discuss it with him, but his talk page clearly showed that he never responds to messages. Hence I instead posted a limited audit trail of level 3 warnings for future reference, which you have now removed. Now I would appreciate if you could tell me how I did not assume good faith here? In what sense was his behavior good? Praemonitus (talk) 23:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

You should have really posted one warning for the last relevant edit he made, not a flood of five or six level three warnings. As for not assuming good faith, I didn't say nor imply his behavior was good, because it wasn't. That doesn't mean you need to repeat his behavior. GSK ● ✉ ✓ 00:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

If your concern was simply the number, then I shall just replace them with a single merged message. Thanks for the clarification. Praemonitus (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

To continue, how would you recommend I handle this edit today? Or this? Or this? Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I'd recommend issuing a level four warning for those three, and if the user does it again, report to AIV. GSK ● ✉ ✓ 02:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 02:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Botany wrap up[edit]

Could you take another look at this? Then we'll close the PR and request featured status. 512bits (talk) 19:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

It should close automatically. I'd leave it open until then in case anybody else wants to comment. Praemonitus (talk) 21:39, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Pavo (constellation)[edit]

If you have a few moments, I was planning on putting up Pavo (constellation) next, so all input good. These listy-type constellation articles can be tricky to make the prose engaging. Triangulum is on its way too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I made a few edits of the Pavo article. Hopefully those were helpful, but if not please revert. Praemonitus (talk) 14:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I've been looking as you go. Looks good. just kneading these articles a bit is very helpful/thx... :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:05, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

"Home" & "The Unnatural" FAN[edit]

Since you've helped out with several other articles I've submitted for FA consideration, is there anyway you could drop by either "Home" or "The Unnatural" and drop some comments, suggestions, or a vote? :) No rush! Thanks!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 21:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Tucana[edit]

Okay, now Tucana is the third of the Southern Birds I have buffed. It passed GA but any comments on prose flow and readability would be much appreciated before FAC.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

RE: Q-go[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Q-go#Notability. -- Trevj (talk • contribs) 12:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC) -- Trevj (talk • contribs) 12:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

But wait, there's more....[edit]

thanks for input on Tucana....now Musca is at FAC - all input appreciated as it's pretty quiet there....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:51, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

Hi, would you mind participating in the peer review of Caelum going on right now? It's been nearly 2 weeks with no feedback, so anything, positive or negative, would be greatly appreciated. StringTheory11 (t • c) 04:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I think I've addressed all your concerns; just let me know if you have anything else to add! StringTheory11 (t • c) 18:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I found it![edit]

We-ell Ian Ridpath alerted us to his page (thankfully) - see this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have followed Musca with Grus -feared it was/isa bit rough around the edges...anyway input gratefully welcomed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Grus (constellation)/archive1. More ambitious with next one after...Canis Major..... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Also, you kidly commented at Thopha saccata peer review....think we fixed everything we could or explained why we couldn't, so at FAC now - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thopha saccata/archive2....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh hello[edit]

Once I've created an article about a galaxy NGC something just to be able to say that I've created an article. I see you did the same, but many times.Tetra quark (talk) 06:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Tetra. Yes, I made a few articles. Praemonitus (talk) 16:16, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

CG 4[edit]

Hi there,
Can you copyedit CG 4, specially in the structure section? I failed many a times and the no. of threads in Template:Did you know nominations/CG 4 increase just because I don't do good copyediting. Please....-The Herald ^{the joy of the LORD}_{my strength} 12:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I gave it a try. Praemonitus (talk) 19:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again on that. Can you please update FAC of 61 Cygni? -The Herald ^{the joy of the LORD}_{my strength} 03:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

There's nothing to update. My concerns haven't all been addressed, so for now I'm just going to wait and see. Praemonitus (talk) 00:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Outer space[edit]

The article Outer space you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Outer space for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Brirush -- Brirush (talk) 18:40, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

{{val}}[edit]

I'm not trying to be disruptive. Replacing commas with thin spaces was not the main aim of of the edits which introduced {{val}}; it was more about spacing of the errors. However, considering that the articles in question are science articles, thin spaces make sense. Jimp 02:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I think a comma is less ambiguous and less likely to cause issues with scanning software. But really it should be discussed in the WP:AST before making a sweeping change in style to any astronomy articles, just to see if the astronomy community is okay with the revision. They might be open to it. Praemonitus (talk) 19:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Tau Ceti[edit]

The WDS catalog gives 137 arcsec separation, while the listing in Jim Kaler's Stars page gives 90 arcsec. I don't really mind which we use, but given the large proper motion they could both be correct for different years. What do you think about giving the separation in arcmin with lower precision? --Amble (talk) 23:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

The WDS entry lists 110.8″ for 1911 and 137.0″ for 2000; I don't know where Jim Kaler is getting his data from, but his value is smaller than the separation has been for the last century. Praemonitus (talk) 00:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Your conclusion doesn't necessarily follow from the two listed observations. The proper motion of tau ceti is 2″ per year, and the position angles for 1911 and 2000 differ by about 90°. This suggests that Tau Ceti is moving past the background star as seen from Earth, and reached a minimum separation at some time between 1911 and 2000. It could easily have been 90″ in some intervening year. It certainly won't be 137.0″ today, so simply stating that value as correct is a case of false precision. That's why I suggested giving a figure in arcmin with lower precision. If we do cite the 137.0″ value, more explanation is needed. --Amble (talk) 01:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

(Of course we also don't have an uncertainty listed for any of the three values.) --Amble (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Your thinking is reasonable, but I would prefer to use the estimate listed in the WDS, while saying "As of 2000". Praemonitus (talk) 14:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for your massive contributions to the CarloscomB cleanup effort! Your conscientiousness here has not gone unnoticed, as you have turned multiple terrible articles into high-quality, accurate stubs. Keep up the awesome work! StringTheory11 (t • c) 20:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 22:38, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that was amazing to really take up the slack and cleanup here. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cas. Glad I could be of some help. Praemonitus (talk) 23:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

outer space[edit]

Hello

You have undid my change in the article "outer space" for 100 km sentence. The article that I have added was a non profit aerospace journal whereas the one you have added is an ebook which you can buy for 133 euros. This tends to be an advertisement even if you wouldn't like to do so. Could you please replace it with my article back?

Thanks

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diyetisyenece (talk • contribs) 17:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Well I reverted it because, frankly, it was unclear and poorly written. The fact that the explanation is already covered in the body of the article was a reason to remove it from the lead: the lead is only intended to be a brief summary of the body (per WP:LEAD). I'll add your reference to the explanation in the body. Praemonitus (talk) 17:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

	The Original Barnstar
	Your biographies of scientists and astronomers are well done. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Magnolia677. Praemonitus (talk) 22:39, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Removing red links for non-notable objects[edit]

Hi Praemonitus, I just noticed that you edited about 90 of the 2,000 sub-pages of the List of minor planets § Main index from 11 to 28 December last year. In order to avoid frustration, I'd like to let you know, that your removal of red-links on this list will be undone by the next run of the automated update procedure. Among other things, this procedure adds a redlink to every entry of a named minor planet, for which neither an article nor a redirect exists. You can avoid automated linking by creating a #REDIRECT that points to the corresponding entry in the list. This would also be consistent with the existing practice of redirecting non-notable minor planets to the list. Cheers, Rfassbind – talk 04:58, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

All right, thanks for the notification Rfassbind. Note that there were red links for non-named asteroids as well. Praemonitus (talk) 16:15, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed them as well (they already existed). I was actually thinking about removing all redlinks on provisional designations... what is your thought on them? -- Rfassbind – talk 17:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, well none of the red links I removed were at all notable, so I'm not sure I see a benefit in maintaining them. Beyond the low thousands, I'd estimate the odds are pretty low for an object to be notable. Praemonitus (talk) 01:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

You may want to check this online-tool for future edits on linked minor planets in the List of minor planets. Compared to manual edits, this semi-automated tool should reduce the number of edit slip-ups (e.g. here). Rfassbind – talk 13:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

All right, thanks for the link Rfassbind. Praemonitus (talk) 19:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

five months[edit]

Re: Coastline of Western AustraliaI am not sure how long merge silences seem to indicate disinterest, and subsequent closure of merge suggestions, I created both articles, and see that 'regions' could expand considerably, and also the coastline article could expand as well, necessitating from my perspective as creator of both, a distinction between the two. However, despite vigorous and space consuming debates with fellow west australians elsewhere about coastal issues, none of the fellow editors have bothered to even ventured into the realm of merge discussion. But this is a mere pin prick on time waiting for comment, the highly esteemed Tasmania wikiproject, some attempts to enlist interest or comment, a year to 18 months is required to elicit a response, a stellar distance in time to usual wikipedia processes. However, simply to move the merge tag on your part simply reinforces my own prediliction to remain tasmanian and silent on the matter of discussion seeins that I created both in the first place, it is always nice when someone actually turns up and discusses things. But then, moving a tag is hardly a discussion. Have a good day ! JarrahTree 23:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Mmm, well I don't have any particular preference with regards to a merge; my edit was just to make it easier to start reading the content. Praemonitus (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah well the people most likely to have discussed havent, I think I will ask someone to remove the notice (it would not be appropriate for me to do so), and retain my distance. cheers JarrahTree 23:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Hatnote formatting[edit]

Hey, I noticed you've done some edits (like this one) where you replaced a bunch of template-based hatnotes with a single manual hatnote. While I can't really object to collapsing the hatnotes into one, please use {{hatnote}} for such edits rather than manual :'' formatting. The manual formatting is bad semantics and breaks some things like Hovercards, while there's no problem if you use {{hatnote}}. Thanks, {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 19:29, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Praemonitus (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Typo'[edit]

I hope you don't mind [1]. Thanks for your very intelligent contribution! --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 00:05, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I think you have the wrong editor. No worries. Praemonitus (talk) 00:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for NGC 1614[edit]

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

West Virginia Barnstar[edit]

		The West Virginia Barnstar
		Praemonitus, I hereby award you The West Virginia Barnstar for your thoughtful review of Literary Hall which helped to promote the article to Featured Article status. Thank you for elevating an important West Virginia historic landmark article to Featured Article status, which will allow a larger audience to learn about West Virginia's history, its people, and its culture. -- West Virginian (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, WV. It wasn't much, but I'm glad I could be of some help. Congratulations on getting the article promoted. Praemonitus (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Lynx (constellation)[edit]

This one isn't gathering much interest at FAC...not sure whether subject matter or maybe prose a bit dry. If you could look it over I'd be grateful....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I sort of took a few runs at it and fixed some things. I'll do a review. Praemonitus (talk) 17:27, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Chart request[edit]

Could you do a similar magical 'heirarchy or orbits' chart that you did for Beta Scorpii for Beta Capricorni, please. :) Cuddlyopedia (talk) 09:12, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have a look when I have a little time. Praemonitus (talk) 15:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Antares Observatory[edit]

Hi Praemonitus, I noticed that you created the redirect Antares Observatory that points to the List of observatory codes. More specifically, it points to the anchor on H55: Astronomical Research Observatory (ARO) at Charleston, Illinois, US

Unfortunately I can't find anything about such Antares Observatory. Can you please help me understand? Thx, Rfassbind – talk 00:16, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello Rfassbind. The MPC Observatory Codes listing for H55 gives: Astronomical Research Observatory, Charleston. Based on the longitude, that's near Charleston, Illinois. Praemonitus (talk) 01:52, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

So I presume there is no source-based reason why you created Antares Observatory rather than Astronomical Research Observatory for (H55). Correct? Rfassbind – talk 05:06, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Apparently it's the name of the observatory used by Robert Holmes, who discovered SN 2006bg among others. That may have been why somebody added the name to the list entry. All I did was add a redirect for a potential search term. Beyond that, I don't really care. Do what you will. Praemonitus (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I found the name "Antares" in some old MPC-observatory-code list from 2006. So it's just an alternative/outdated name, which can be used as a (secondary) redirect. Sorry for being so inquisitive; I (mostly) expect others to know something I don't, especially when all I get are the lousy sources provided by the MPC.

As I will revise (rewrite) the entire List of observatory codes in the near future, I'd appreciate if you could find the time to double-check some of my amendments. Rfassbind – talk 14:45, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Mare Tranquillitatis pit crater.jpg[edit]

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BL Lacerta Stars[edit]

Thanks for the corrections. I appreciate folks going in and working on the stubbies. I think all the notable stars are done now, finally. Benkenobi18 (talk) 04:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

A few more Bayer objects[edit]

Hello, Praemonitus. While I must praise you for your edits and improvements for many, many stars, can you try looking at Iota Crateris, Kappa Crateris, Lambda Crateris, and Psi Crateris? These are all Bayer objects that are missing articles, and you seem to be very good at writing articles for these kinds of stars, based on the edits I've seen. Thanks in advance. Loooke (talk) 01:30, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Okay I'll take a look when I get through my current list. Praemonitus (talk) 02:36, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Loooke: the articles are finished, but they did not prove to be very interesting objects. Praemonitus (talk) 21:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Apologies for possibly boring you. :) Many Bayer objects are kind of boring. I requested these stars because 1) you can find stellar parameters for these (mass, luminosities, age, etc.) and 2) a lot of people just tend to make one-sentence stubs, which I really don't like. Thanks again. Loooke (talk) 23:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem. You're quite welcome. Praemonitus (talk) 02:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Apologies for being nosy, but are you aiming to un-stub every Bayer star? Or just the interesting ones ;) Lithopsian (talk) 18:08, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm mostly aiming at getting the Bayer articles properly sourced. Now and then I create a new article just for the variety. Usually I'll try to grab one that looks interesting in some way. Praemonitus (talk) 18:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Providing citations on total velocity parameter[edit]

Hello, I noticed that you were skeptical of my inclusion of total velocity for the article on Proxima Centauri, and I will admit, it is gained from data already existing in the article myself, but my question is if it would qualify under original research. It is simply the 3-dimensional line calculation made from the provided radial velocity, proper motion, and distance of the star. Would this qualify under WP:OR's "routine calculations" provision, as the answer is non-debatable based solely on the data it is based off of? exoplanetaryscience (talk) 06:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

See WP:SYNTH. Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. That's exactly what you are doing. Tarl N. (discuss) 13:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@exoplanetaryscience: Yes, there are sources available for that type of data. But I'm not even clear what frame of reference is being used there. Are you listing the peculiar velocity with respect to the galactic rest frame, or is it the heliocentric velocity? That needs to be clarified. Praemonitus (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks[edit]

Many thanks for your responses to my comments at Wikipedia: Village Pump (ideas lab), and also for drawing to my attention to how Wikipedia has an article called "Parametric statistics". Perhaps, if one types in "Parametric data", it should be redirected there. Vorbee (talk) 10:42, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

@Vorbee: Thanks. Well I wasn't quite sure whether that was what you intended. The redirect has just been created – it can always be expanded into a separate article later if somebody so desires. Praemonitus (talk) 14:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for Van Maanen 2[edit]

Your revert was totally correct. I was just keeping track of the different articles that now disambiguate to free electron. The page originally pointed to Free electron model and I was just keeping track that it should point instead to Fermi gas. It was fixed with a redirect so your WP:NOTBROKEN was correct. Sorry for the confusion. --MaoGo (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Edits[edit]

I responded to you again on the astronomical object talk page. LovelyGirl7 talk 01:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I know. Unfortunately I don't have much else to suggest. Praemonitus (talk) 01:55, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: accessdate for published papers[edit]

Re [2], note that it's in fact the opposite: Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#Clearing_Category_Pages_using_citations_with_accessdate_and_no_URL. --Nemo 04:35, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: Yes, but that's only seems to be true when we're more-or-less guaranteed the link won't go away, such as with a DOI. C.f. Help:Citation_Style_1#Access_date. I don't even recognize this address, and even if it is a University, we can't know how long they will make that service available. I prefer to have an accessdate present. It shouldn't hurt matters, at any rate. Praemonitus (talk) 15:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Difference between IGM, ICM, and WHIM ?[edit]

For the benefit of laypeople like myself, I'm looking to add a compare/contrast statement that discriminates between the IGM, ICM, and WHIM. At the moment, if that information is indeed present in their respective articles, it is not intelligible to casual readers/those with no astronomical background. Would you be willing to help me with this? For example: do any of those overlap, and if so, can anything be said about what percent overlap? Is one a subset of another? That sort of thing. Thanks in advance for your consideration! Blue Danube (talk) 16:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Blue Danube: Doesn't Outer_space#Intergalactic_space cover it? I haven't delved into that astronomy topic very much. Praemonitus (talk) 21:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Austral season's greetings[edit]

	Austral season's greetings
	Tuck into this! We've made about three of these in the last few days for various festivities. Supermarkets are stuffed with cheap berries. Season's greetings! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:35, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Apology[edit]

My edit summary on Physical cosmology was much too snippy. I apologize and will do my best to follow your advice to "Be nice or be gone." – S. Rich (talk) 00:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Nu Horologii[edit]

Hello! I'm a user of russian wiki. I tried to find information in references of Nu Horologii article, that you have written. But there is something wrong there %) The last paragraph contains data doesn't match the sources (about a close encounter with the star Alpha Fornacis). Can it be a mistake? Best regards, -- Marhorr (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Marhorr: the Deltorn and Kalas (2001) paper refers to Nu Horologii as HD 17848 and Alpha Fornacis as HD 20010. Praemonitus (talk) 18:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you're right absolutely! Thank you for answer! I'm just blind)) -- Marhorr (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Marhorr: no problem at all. Glad I could help. Praemonitus (talk) 18:39, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Cretoxyrhina FAC[edit]

Hello,

I a posting to inform you that the Cretoxyrhina article has been renominated for FAC, which you helped review. Because the second FAC seems to be dragging out due to the absence of reviewers, I am posting on this talk page to let you know.

Macrophyseter | talk 02:20, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Cite DR2[edit]

The {{Cite Gaia DR2}} template produces citations in CS1 style. Would it be useful to have a CS2 option? Lithopsian (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Lithopsian: that might be useful for demonstrating consistency when taking through an FA candidate. Otherwise I'm not really all that bothered. Praemonitus (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Asking first . . .[edit]

. . . because of the in-your-face header on your Draft page, but please see WP:USERNOCAT: no one wants to see your Draft categorized alongside actual articles. Thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:18, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@UnitedStatesian: I messed up the comment tags on the cats. Sorry. Praemonitus (talk) 02:49, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Spam link[edit]

This is a spam link you restored.[3] Please be careful. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: Next time please provide a proper explanation in the message so we don't have to guess at your intent. Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 01:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Sure that is fair :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Horologium[edit]

Things are moving really slowly at the FAC...any input would be gratefully received......Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Gamma Camelopardalis[edit]

I notice you are a prolific and highly respected author on Wikipedia. This is my first time posting a "talk" mesage in Wikipedia. The declination for Gamma Camelopardalis is wrong. It seems to have gone wrong when you edited the article in 2017. Version before your edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamma_Camelopardalis&direction=prev&oldid=799760830 Version with/after your edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamma_Camelopardalis&direction=next&oldid=780235947 The declination in the "Observational Data" box changed. The new dec is wrong; the old is approximately correct. I reach that conclusion by inspecting Norton's Star Atlas (1986) Map 2, or here. If I am wrong to attribute this typo to you, my apologies. I only mention it because you have written and edited many articles. If you have an automated system to enter star coordinates, then there might be other errors you want to check for. In the current version of Gamma Camelopardalis, the citation for the RA and Dec is a citation you added. I followed the link and downloaded the PDF. It does not provide the RA or Dec for this star or other objects. The article only explains how the Hipparcos mission data reduction worked. Respectfully, Rosewc (talk) 20:03, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rosewc: Thank you for correcting the error. I'm only human and do make mistakes, so I appreciate it when those get fixed. Praemonitus (talk) 22:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Future of Earth[edit]

I think "possible" is better than "random", because the section is mentioning the events that they can be calculated with probability. It can be "Possible events"; the section is not including all of the possible events, however we're talking about mathematical events instead of the miracles. My edit didn't say "All possible events".Ahmetlii (talk) 17:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ahmetlii: Being able to calculate the probability doesn't suddenly make it non-random. Your revision is more ambiguous to me. Praemonitus (talk) 21:37, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I think your edit is more ambiguous. Random is used for other meanings rather than mathematics terminology, it can be confused with other meanings. Possible is better, because of the reasons that I mentioned.Ahmetlii (talk) 21:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ahmetlii: No, 'possible events' include events that are not necessarily random, but for which we don't have sufficient data to know with certainty. The Earth being swallowed up by a red giant Sun, for example. Hence, I see your version as more ambiguous. Some events are impossible to predict due to random interactions. If you just want to continue to disagree, please take it to the article talk page and get a consensus. Praemonitus (talk) 21:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

So, we can calculate them if we have enough data, right? :) Thanks again for your time. I will move this discussion to the discussion page.Ahmetlii (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ahmetlii: No. Just like it is impossible to predict the weather with perfect accuracy, there's no way to calculate which asteroids will impact the Earth and when with perfect accuracy. We do know with absolute certainty though that the Sun will become a red giant. Praemonitus (talk) 00:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

We don't need to know with perfect accuracy. As an example, someone draw triangle, square, pentagon, hexagon.. inside the circle for calculate π. Don't need to know the exact π, and it's impossible due to uncertainty principle; but also everything can be provable and everything is not completed because of Gödel's incompleteness theorems. So, I'm still suggesting "possible events". Ahmetlii (talk) 10:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ahmetlii: Thanks. Changing to 'Possible' just reduces clarity. 'Potential' might work, and has a slightly higher clarity since it speaks to the future. Praemonitus (talk) 14:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done Ahmetlii (talk) 06:35, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate template arguments[edit]

On User:Praemonitus/Draft, the Haumy1996 reference has two different "first69" values, causing the page to be categorized in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. Per your "Hands off" message, I haven't edited it myself. Can you fix that to remove the page from the category? Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jackmcbarn: Hopefully it's fixed now. Thanks. Praemonitus (talk) 01:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Hah![edit]

Didn't know an article's importance could be "bottom". Thanks for the laugh, and I will have to remember that for the next charlatan's bio. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 02:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for assessing Marat Arakelian[edit]

Thanks for assessing Marat Arakelian for WikiProject Astronomy. - TimDWilliamson ^speak 21:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you![edit]

Thanks for creating Phebe Estelle Spalding! If you're looking at other early Pomona faculty, Frank Brackett is still redlinked as has a bunch of sources waiting at the list page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

BS![edit]

		The Space Barnstar
		Thank you for your star-studded work on Wikipedia. It is most helpful and much appreciated. Regards, GenQuest "scribble" 23:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

		The Space Barnstar
		For your contributions to articles on stars and other astronomy-related topics! Nrco0e (talk · contribs) 05:57, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Moon craters[edit]

Hi - I have no expertise in this field and no opinion about how the Moon article should read. But it looks like the ref after the following sentence (Rebecca Boyle's article) supports the statement you've tagged as "vague". Check it out & see if you think the ref is valid, and/or if it's maybe placed on the wrong sentence. - Special-T (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Special-T: Hello. I'm sure the statement is probably correct. I'm just saying, what is that actually telling us about the Moon? Nothing, as far as I can see. It just says we guessed wrong before, but why does that matter? Praemonitus (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy[edit]

Some years back, I noticed - by this point, I'm not sure how I noticed, but probably it was by patrolling newpages in userspace - that you had created a userspace subpage based on the content of Woman's Who's Who of America (1914 edition), to serve as a list of useful redlinks. I mentioned this as a useful resource on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles.

A few months later, you requested that the subpage be deleted, and it was.

Yesterday, while skimming my old contributions from that namespace, I discovered that this had happened. Would you have any objection to my salvaging the content from your deleted page and mirroring it in my userspace? DS (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: To be honest, I don't even remember anything like that. I do keep a draft page that I have used for building various articles: User:Praemonitus/Draft, and that includes a convenience link to the 1914 Women's Who's Who google scan. Perhaps that is what you mean? There's not much of interest on there at the moment. Praemonitus (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I mean User:Praemonitus/Who's Who (created April 2013, filled with useful redlinks, deleted July 2013). Confirm it's okay with you that I restore the content? DS (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: Sure, I suppose. Praemonitus (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Log Luminosity[edit]

For HD 24479, how did you calculate the log luminosity and temperature, because I tried for HD 167257 to no avail. 400Weir (talk) 01:16, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@400Weir: For the logT range of 4.022±0.003, I get upper 4.025, mean 4.022, and lower 4.019 logs for an error range, or 10,592, 10,520, and 10,447 K. (10^4.025 = 10,592, after rounding off.) That gives me a single deviation margin of error range around the mean of 10,520: 10,592-10,520 = 72; 10,520-10,447 = 73. Oops, I guess there's an error. It should be 10,520+72
−73. Hope that helps. Praemonitus (talk) 03:16, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@Praemonitus: Thanks for the tip! 400Weir (talk) 21:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for HD 175167[edit]

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks (Moon)[edit]

I didn't think it through - assumed "north at the top" was a universal standard in images. But of course (as you pointed out) denizens of the southern hemisphere see lunar north at the bottom. - Special-T (talk) 14:37, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Special-T: Yes it's not something immediately obvious to us northern hemisphere dwellers. Thanks. Praemonitus (talk) 15:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)