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February 8[edit]

17:37:51, 8 February 2022 review of submission by Sammyy07[edit]

Hello, I have read about notability bombing and how you shouldn't include lots of references for sources where there isn't significant coverage, however if I have used information from that source don't I have to reference it? How should I go about it Sammyy07 (talk) 17:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

19:29:13, 8 February 2022 review of submission by 45levi123[edit]

45levi123 (talk) 19:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC) I just want a Wikipidea page about myself, please just let this one pass, thanks dude.

Please do not use Wikipedia for self-promotion. --Kinu t/c 06:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 20:11:40, 8 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Liza Zimmerman[edit]



Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC) Greetings. I would like some help to improve my Tor Wines draft. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC) Thanks!

February 9[edit]

00:08:06, 9 February 2022 review of draft by Dgregory4[edit]


To Whom It May Concern,

I have a question about notability. While I recognize that my draft has deficiencies with respect to secondary source material, I am not sure why the subject's notability is in question. In the Wikipedia notability guidelines it states that "The publication of an anniversary or memorial journal volume or a Festschrift dedicated to a particular person is usually enough to satisfy Criterion 1, except in the case of publication in vanity, fringe, or non-selective journals or presses." My professor did have a Festschrift written in his honor (published by Wipf and Stock) which I listed under his writings. Why does this not satisfy the notability requirement?

I appreciate any guidance you can provide.

Dgregory4 (talk) 00:08, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Dgregory4 Dgregory4 (talk) 00:08, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Dgregory4, comment left by reviewer was too much unsourced content and please read WP:REFB(→) for help with correcctly formatting sources. The notability issue isn't about having Festschrift or not. But rather, much of the text isn't backed by secondary sources, which you acknowledged, thus notability is questioned. Additionally, you had placed Festschrift under the Writings section, which is usually selected writings by the subject, not about the subject or for the subject. I would have skipped evaluating the list myself if the prose isn't sourced properly. Instead, it should be integrated into prose, i.e. "a Festschift about/for <topic>/<person> was complied by person(s) in <year>.", or simply listed in a section on its own (usually Honours and awards).
Do take note that as the subject is living still, the standards at WP:BLP is pretty much applicable. Thus you are required to find secondary source materials for every possible contentious statement made in the article. – robertsky (talk) 16:13, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy ping @Theroadislong: just to bring attention of request for review to you. – robertsky (talk) 16:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

04:11:07, 9 February 2022 review of submission by ABHIMI[edit]

ABHIMI (talk) 04:11, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done This is an encyclopedia, not a place for somebody to whine about how they want to become rich and famous. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:43, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

06:00:48, 9 February 2022 review of submission by 고양이 발자국[edit]

Please re-review it 고양이 발자국 (talk) 06:00, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Please see the replies you received here on 27 January, 28 January, and 4 February; meanwhile, you have not edited the draft at all since it was rejected on 26 January, except for one attempt to remove the "rejected" template. Asking for a new review without addressing any of that is a waste of your own time, and the time of the volunteer reviewers. --bonadea contributions talk 08:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

08:35:54, 9 February 2022 review of submission by Bishalkarkinp[edit]

}} Bishalkarkinp (talk) 08:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Bishalkarkinp You don't ask a question, but please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves; it is for summarizing what independent reliable sources state. Please see the messages left by reviewers. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 Not done - Non-notable local journalist autobiography. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

15:24:15, 9 February 2022 review of submission by Jacobariel91[edit]


Jacobariel91 (talk) 15:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


The draft (which you didn't read) had been modified from the original substantially - please provide some advise on the new draft, if you can. Thanks Jacobariel91 (talk)

It is never a good idea to create a new draft when a previous draft has been declined or rejected. The first draft is at Draft:ElectReon Wireless, the second one at Draft:Electreon, and now there is apparently a third one; please don't create new draft versions, it just wastes people's time. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 15:47, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
I will say one thing (which applies to all three draft versions, I think) : the two publications from the Swedish Transport Authority (a 78-page report and a single-page appendix) don't verify the claims that they are supposed to support, and don't serve to show notability for the company. --bonadea contributions talk 16:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

15:57:38, 9 February 2022 review of draft by BABA IS YOU[edit]


I need help with finding more Peeps variations as well as adding references to the page. Additionally, I would like the article to be proofread, and see if there are any mistakes. BABA IS YOU (talk) 15:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

This would never be a viable topic for a standalone article. May be worth a mention at Peeps if deemed relevant or notable. ValarianB (talk) 16:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
@ValarianB How so? I believe the topic can have its own standalone article. Considering the wide variety of variations that Peeps has, as well as the popularity of it, I believe there can be an article listing the different Peeps variations. BABA IS YOU (talk) 16:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
What you believe and what you can prove are two very different things. ValarianB (talk) 16:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

16:19:50, 9 February 2022 review of submission by Mrwicked619[edit]


Mrwicked619 (talk) 16:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC) Why was my article declined?

No draft specified, but last edited draft was Draft:Silencer (rapper). The reviewer who declined your draft was right in their decision. Go through the links in the decline rationale for more information on citing sources. – robertsky (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

17:11:31, 9 February 2022 review of submission by Gloriajjoz[edit]


Hello,

Please re-review as the sources listed are secondary and are true to the information listed in the page. We have been working hard on this please, so if this page still does not qualify for publishing, please advise on why the sources are not worthy and where specifically to improve. Please do not delete the page as it has been a lot to type up and gather. I truly appreciate your review.

Thank you!

Gloriajjoz (talk) 17:11, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gloriajjoz: I see that the draft was rejected, but the editor who rejected it was actually not someone who should have been reviewing drafts at all, and the rejection rationale "This article is failed maximum times of submission" is not valid. So I won't give you the usual response to editors who ask about rejected drafts; it is possible that this could be reviewed again, but I'm afraid you would have to revise it a bit, first. There are three sources: one mention in GQ, in a list of artists and producers who appeared on an album. That is not something that shows notability. The second source is a trivial mention on something that looks like a music blog, and unlikely to be a reliable source. And the third source, which you added after the most recent decline of the draft, is three sentences in another list published by XXL Mag. Essentially, all that these sources say is that the producers have worked with a notable person – but there is very little about them. What is required is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the people themselves. In addition, please cut down the huge table that takes up most of the space in the draft. Don't include every single detail about each track, and don't add tracks unless there are sources for them (NOT YouTube or Spotify or other music streaming websites, nor commercial websites!)
You say We have been working hard on this – who are "we" in this context? --bonadea contributions talk 17:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Just would added based on reading the XXL Mag source, this may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. They are on a path to notability, but not there yet.Slywriter (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, that's a good point. I said above that the draft would need to be revised, but I should add (so as not to give Gloriajjoz the impression that it'll be fine with a bit of revision) that no amount of editing can fix a lack of notability, and it seems pretty likely that these guys aren't notable just yet. --bonadea contributions talk 18:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
@Gloriajjoz: The article contains almost no biographical info, info that when published in the media would tell us that the subjects are notable. Hopefully later on they will get more coverage and that can be used to build this up. Please also see WP:COI. Lastly, the long list of production credits are unsourced. Without proper sourcing (and maybe even with), it's not suitable for an article. TechnoTalk (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

17:45:37, 9 February 2022 review of submission by Brittanyfitzerald[edit]

I am submitting this page because it is a charter school district in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. The article includes relevant information as well as primary and secondary references. All large school systems in the area have Wiki pages. What will help the article get approved? Brittanyfitzerald (talk) 17:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Brittanyfitzerald: I made some structural changes to the article but it's still going to have challenges since it's poorly sourced. High schools are not inherently notable in Wikipedia's eyes, and there's no indication based on the references that these schools are notable. See WP:NHSCHOOL. You can't point to other articles as examples since there are so many that were created before anyone was applying notability standards. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. TechnoTalk (talk) 22:15, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 21:59:34, 9 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Fmik36[edit]


I want to understand how i can edit my current article to enable me to publish it. please give me more details on how my sources are not primary or significant Fmik36 (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fmik36: I restructured the article to make it more conforming with our usual style. It's closer to being acceptable, but to be safe when you resubmit it, you'll want to go through and make sure that every single thing you've written is sourced with an independent, reliable source, and that you not add unencyclopedic phrases like "...is a proud honorary director..." or "...was educated at the prestigious High school...". The tone needs to be more formal. Also, if you are connected to the subject, please read WP:COI. TechnoTalk (talk) 22:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


thank you for your response. I have added a couple more sources from bloomberg and the national. how do I know if my sources are reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmik36 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Fmik36 I have moved it to mainspace. I would make a few comments.
  1. The charges against him, even if dropped, probably should be in the article. It appears to be the main reason that he was mentioned in a number of the news references.
  2. In regards to the sources, I think the news sources are pretty strong. The ones from Ramallah Friends School are suitable for background.
  3. For your next step. It would be reasonable to add Mr. Al Tabari to the list of alumni at Ramallah_Friends_Schools#Notable_alumni with a reference. You may want to work on getting references for the other alumni listed there.Naraht (talk) 22:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

February 10[edit]

15:08:17, 10 February 2022 review of draft by Thatnsukkaboy[edit]


Hello, I really feel like my last few articles on here have been reviewed by bots, and declined at every turn. My draft meets up with wikipedia's guidelines to the best of my knowledge and i ensured i ran it through tone checking softwares before submitting to ensure its neutrality but as sual its decline for the same thing. Sometimes, we write about people who are very notable here, people who are verifiable and it gets turned down for not being notable or for not having telaible sources. The sources we often use are our own reliable sources and they are very reliable here. If anyone would care to help, i will appreciate a list of sources that are reliable when it comes to news about Nigerians and Nigeria. Outrightly declining without advicing on how to make articles better can frustrate an editor. Help Us Please!! Thatnsukkaboy (talk) 15:08, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

On your user page you say that you are a "Digital Marketer" please be sure to disclose any conflict of interest or paid editing that you may be involved with, per the terms and conditions. Theroadislong (talk) 15:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
@Thatnsukkaboy: As long as you have uncited biographical claims and rely too much on her own words, many of which are not properly attributed as quotes must be, this is going to keep being declined. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 17:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a list of sources at Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/Nigerian sources. I can't vouch for its being entirely up-to-date but it looks like a good place to start. But remember that even a reliable source is not always useful to support a particular fact. Make sure that you have read the info at the main Reliable sources guideline page.
Disclosing any conflict of interest you have takes priority over that, mind. I also wonder who "we" are when you say "we write about people [...] the sources we often use". --bonadea contributions talk 08:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

15:21:16, 10 February 2022 review of submission by Reddysim78[edit]


Hi, I would like to understand how is my draft an unambiguous promotional article? so that I can improve on it.

Please kindly advise.

Reddysim78 (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Reddysim78, probably because it is sourced to the subject and reads like a brochure for the subject. Wikipedia doesn't care what an organization has to say about itself, we do care what independent secondary reliable sources say.Slywriter (talk) 15:25, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Your draft was rejected and has previously been deleted 5 times, it won't be reviewed again so it is pointless to improve it. Theroadislong (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

17:56:51, 10 February 2022 review of submission by BrickBelltower[edit]

I am entering language for an article and the template will no longer accept additional language. How can I paste in the additional article language to complete the draft AfC? BrickBelltower (talk) 17:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I fixed your link(the url is not needed). There should be no limitations on the content you can put in a draft. What is the message you get when you try to edit? 331dot (talk) 18:01, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 20:05:44, 10 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Keithduross[edit]


Hello,

I've been tasked to pick up where many before me have not been able to get approval on the owner of my company's profile (Michael Amini), to be considered for Wikipedia. The latest message back (after being denied), was for - This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources. The thing is that the sources include WSJ and LA Times and just about every single Furniture-focused trade publication. I was wondering if you had any suggestions as to teh best practices on getting approval when receiving this sort of message. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Keith

Keithduross (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2022 (UTC) — Draft:Michael Amini (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Not done For eight months, you have been trying to push this advertisement for your obscure boss of an obscure company. In that time, you have still refused to post any of the mandatory disclosures of your blatant and obvious conflict of interest, which makes you an undisclosed paid editor. --20:11, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
@Keithduross: We are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Any biographical claim that could potentially be challenged for any reason what-so-ever MUST be cited to an in-depth, third-party source with strong editorial oversight that corroborates the claim or (if no such sources can be found) removed wholesale. This is a hard requirement when writing content about living or recently-departed people and is NOT NEGOTIABLE. In addition, disclosure is MANDATORY. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 20:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


February 11[edit]

02:59:25, 11 February 2022 review of submission by ProGaming683562[edit]

I was wondering why my article declined? I put in some links in for our members as well as I had some references and cited my sources to give credit

ProGaming683562 (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The subject of this draft is not notable. --Kinu t/c 03:32, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

05:41:56, 11 February 2022 review of submission by ProGaming683562[edit]

I am wondering why my article got declined. I am talking about a real life hockey esports team. I don't get how it is notable for the platform even though people want to know more about it ProGaming683562 (talk) 05:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Anything Electronic Arts writes in a presser isn't acceptable as a source. You'd want to look for actual eSports news sources that discuss Merles On Top at length (they exist, but are few and far between). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 06:20, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

08:26:06, 11 February 2022 review of submission by Madiad[edit]

I wonder why my recent article was rejected. How can I submit a new article? What should we pay attention to? Madiad (talk) 08:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The draft you created consisted of copied and pasted text from a couple of different websites advertising an upcoming "game" (actually a cryptocurrency scheme, though that was not mentioned in the draft.) Do you not see how that's rather incompatible with an encyclopedia built to share actual knowledge and facts? --bonadea contributions talk 08:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

10:01:19, 11 February 2022 review of draft by Avindigni[edit]


Dear Editors,

among other comments I received for the draft I submitted on Jordi Bascompte, one concerns the image copyright, which - for my ignorance - I have declared as "own work". This photo was commissioned by the University of Zurich (to a professional photograph called Frank Bruederli) for promotion of new hired professors, at the time Prof. Bascompte joined that Institute. Jordi Bascompte was given the authorization to employ this image for professional uses (like webpages, seminars, press releases, etc.) and passed it directly to me upon request. Therefore, I have Jordi Bascompte's authorization to use it and he has the authorization from his Institution to make that image available on the web. How should I declare the copyright for this image in Wikimedia Commons? Once I know how to declare it, should I restart from scratch with the Wizard or is there a way to update the metadata of the uploaded image?

Another comment sounds: "[the page] requires (...) the addition of relevant WP:IRS—which NONE of the current sources meet." As the subject is a faculty person, the currently cited sources are peer-reviewed scientific articles about his work, which - from the perspective of academics - are the most reliable sources. However, I understand Wikipedia is not for academics only and, probably, it is not in line with Wikipedia’s policy to cite only sources authored by the subject of the Wipkipedia page itself. Should I rather refer to independent sources speaking about Jordi Bascompte’s work, such as reviews, press releases or newspapers?

Thank you for the attention you will give to this pair of questions.

Best regards,

A. V.

Avindigni (talk) 10:01, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Avindingi In terms of the image, the best thing to do would be to have the person who took the image with their camera upload it and claim it as their own work(while being aware of the consequences of doing so, that it could be used by anyone for any purpose, including commercial). Usually the photographer, not the person depicted in the image, holds the copyright(unless Dr. Bascompte has a contract assigning him copyright) Note that images are not necessary in terms of getting a draft approved, so there is no rush in that regard(only "free" images with no copyright issues can be in drafts)
Yes, the draft should primarily summarize what independent reliable sources say about Dr. Bascompte. He does seem to be notable, so you are partially there- you just need to summarize independent sources instead of merely documenting his accomplishments. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

10:23:27, 11 February 2022 review of draft by HutchPJ77[edit]


Hi, my submission for a page about Bedford Independent has been rejected (Draft:Bedford Independent) it seems that the references are not suitable as they are not independent, because they are trade media. I am confused as to why trade media (in particular in the journalism sector) is not considered independent. These are genuine editorial articles, not paid for, and the sources are regulated and independent in their editorial standards.

Can someone please help me to understand what sources are suitable and/or if the articles I have suggested are in fact suitable and the rejection is perhaps an oversight?

Thank you so much, I look forward to your reoly.

HutchPJ77 (talk) 10:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

HutchPJ77 The issue is not that trade media is used, it is that the specific pieces are based on interviews, or are announcements of routine business activities. These things do not establish notability as they come from the topic itself. What is needed are independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this publication- coverage that goes beyond merely confirming its existence or its routine activities. Interviews are a primary source and cannot be used to establish notability. Please review WP:ORG, the definition of a notable organization on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
331dot Hi, 331dot, I really do appreciate your quick reply and explanation. This helps a lot. I am a little confused as to why this is the case, surely third party sources, regardless of the content do establish the existence of the subject matter and so, therefore, provide evidence that what is contained is accurate. As a journalist myself, I find this a little odd. However, if this is the practice for Wikipedia, I respect that it's the way it is and will follow it accordingly. Do you have then, please, any advice on how I need to edit the draft so we have a page for the Bedford Independent on Wikipedia. This is vital for us for a number of reasons, not least of all to make sure Wikipedia is up to date too. Your support is appreciated.
HutchPJ77 Wikipedia is not for documenting the mere existence of a topic. Wikipedia is interested in what independent reliable sources say with significant coverage; not just those that merely documents the existence of the topic. I might suggest using the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and what is expected of article content. I greatly apologize for being frank with you- and I really intend this as trying to help you- but I must say that Wikipedia has no interest in how the presence (or lack of) a Wikipedia article about your organization may benefit it, or in your organization's online presence. Any benefits are on the side, and not our primary goal. We are only interested in summarizing independent reliable sources.
This admittedly can be hard for media organizations outside of large ones like the New York Times, NBC News, the BBC, etc., as they don't always write about each other- but this is necessary for verification purposes. 331dot (talk) 17:03, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
331dot Thank you and no worries for being frank. What you say is slightly contradictory though in that we're not just seeking a presence for our sake but also to show the evolution of media in the local sphere, this is not just important in our area but the world over. You'll see that two other titles in our area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_%26_Citizen) and (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedfordshire_on_Sunday) exist on Wikipedia and the draft for the Bedford Independent doesn't seem to be very different from their content and sources. Please be assured I'm not asking for you or anyone else to just allow our Wikipedia article as it is. However, support in editing the draft so it will be accepted would be important. I believe the inclusion gives a genuine record of how local media is evolving and to say Wikipedia would not benefit from that, even in a small way, is not entirely accurate - and I have used independent, reliable sources. I will indeed use the new user tutorial, but if you have any further thoughts that would be a great help, thank you.

13:45:58, 11 February 2022 review of submission by RolandBacon[edit]

The proposed article was refused by the editor with the following justification: This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

But the proposed article is a direct translation of the same article published since a few years in the French wikipedia pages (after a number of revision to add references). Then I do not understand why it cannot be published in the English wikipedia version. May be you can give me more information. Thanks in advance. RolandBacon (talk) 13:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

RolandBacon Each langauge version of Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. Any article about you on the English Wikipedia must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about you. The draft currently just documents your (significant) accomplishments. Please read Your First Article.
Note that you may wish to review the autobiography policy; while not forbidden, writing about yourself is discouraged. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

15:59:55, 11 February 2022 review of submission by JasonMIIPH[edit]


my god, i just want to ask a question, not code an entire encyclopediaJasonMIIPH (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC) JasonMIIPH (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

This is for Debasish Mridha article. Just want to know if foreign-language references are allowed and how that works. Subject article was rejected because all I had was English-language references. He has many, many more in Bengali. If I post the English translation of the title, are these allowed? JasonMIIPH (talk) 16:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

JasonMIIPH I assume this is about the draft in your sandbox. See this page, but in short, sources are not required to be in English. 331dot (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

18:30:11, 11 February 2022 review of submission by WikiJazzHub[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have created a draft for a jazz artist. I believe this draft falls under the guidelines elucidated within WP:Music (Please see Criteria for musicians and ensembles points #2 and #5, questionable yet possible #7). However, my belief does not move the pen here, hence my need for professional opinion/action. Been a Wikipedian for a long time, but new to making actual articles. Your help is greatly appreciated.

In addition and as a courtesy:

  • I am in no way connected to the subject.
  • Nor am I paid to edit.
  • I am but a mere jazz aficionado seeking a little guidance. Looking to finally make an article contribution to the Wikiverse. More to follow.

Salutations, WikiJazzHub (talk) 18:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

WikiJazzHub, I'm gonna punt on #2, mostly because I'm not sure how to interpret WP:CHARTS, I think they meet it with the airplay chart but also can just as easily read that page as they needed to make the main chart. As to #5, do any of those labels have wikipedia articles? If not, little hard to call them major indies. And on #7, there is zero sourcing provided to make such a claim. The Wichita article appears to be the only in-depth coverage provided and its really local coverage, so doesn't show a national prominence. So, yeah I'd say the article as is hinges on interpreting #2 of WP:NMUSIC as current sourcing doesn't support meeting any other criteria.Slywriter (talk) 18:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


Slywriter, I agree on all fronts. Another Wikipedian advised that I include the Eagle article to which I wasn't initially aware of as it is not included in my original draft. Seemed solid at the time and does appear local (heavy hitter in the state of Kansas but local nonetheless).

As a side note, some (possibly) useful information contained within and pertaining to WP:CHARTS under specified section Decision tree for adding song charts, Smooth Jazz Songs is listed under Applicable US charts with inclusion on the Airply only charts, albeit dead last on the list! :). The condition is as such: "Regardless of other chartings, you may add any of the charts to the right."

Thank you for your timely response. Is there any further action required on my part or is this now simply a matter of waiting for the other shoe to drop?

Regards, WikiJazzHub (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Slywriter Sorry for not addressing #5 of the WP:NMUSIC criteria. I believe the label needs only be major or an important indie: "(i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)". Just looked them up and quite easily noticed that they have a handful of notable artists on their roster. I'd say it falls under the latter portion of #5. It's a smaller genre, so it's much more difficult to quantify these things. Fortunately, the information is laid out fairly well in WP:NMUSIC. And I agree that #7 is out of the window.

Thanks again, WikiJazzHub (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

WikiJazzHub, sort of wait and see. Hoping one of the reviewers who deals with music more sees this and chimes in. Just not sure whether that inclusion section is also for notability or just a list of what is acceptable to mention once notability is established. NMUSIC probably could use some clarity on #2, though equally possible I am just overthinking it.Slywriter (talk) 19:40, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Slywriter Certainly. Again, thanks for taking the time to check it out. And yes, NMUSIC is due for an update and also gets some faulty edits here and there. There's also the possibility that we're both overthinking it :). Cheers, WikiJazzHub (talk) 19:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 19:50:45, 11 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Albarguni[edit]


Hello. My name is Khalid El Bargoni. I'm Azerbaijani-Turkish Singer, Musician,Music producer and Actor. My Google Knowledge Panel: https://g.co/kgs/1keCrK I want to create my own wikipedia page. can you help me please?

Albarguni (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

20:00:00, 11 February 2022 review of submission by Hamdard media[edit]

Hamdard Media prints newspaper and runs a TV channel. It has many advertisements on TV and paper. I just tried to describe it by giving some info related to the group. But why was it not accepted I donot understand. Hamdard media (talk) 20:00, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Because we're not interested in anything the company says, either on Wikipedia or to the press. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 20:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

22:11:58, 11 February 2022 review of draft by Garvincarter[edit]


My original request for assistance was archived without answer.

This article entry was declined for sounding like an advertisement. There was no particular reference to content areas in the article that are at fault, just a generalization. This was paired with a comment that it was also declined for not having sufficient independent references. While there is a section of bibliographic works, none of these are used in citations. There are 70 citations with the exception of 3 or 4, from sources the subject does not control. Of these 3 or 4 citations, they were used to confirm an interview topic with a mass market media source the subject does not control. Having seen numerous attorney articles with less citations or relevance, it would be good to understand how to get this article in a better position.

To that end my questions remain:

1) What areas of the entry are violating a neutral statement of facts? 2) There are 70 citations from international media organizations down to local media sources, from broadcast news to industry trades. Are these not enough? If so, what type of citations will be needed?

I appreciate any assistance you can provide.

Garvin Carter (talk) 22:11, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are not for merely stating facts, but for summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a topic, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Fewer high quality sources are preferable to many low quality sources.
Please read other stuff exists. Each article and draft is judged on its own merits. That other articles exist does not automatically means that yours can too. It could be that these other articles you have seen are also inappropriate. We can only address what we know about; as this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. If you want to use other articles as a model, use those that are classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 23:01, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


February 12[edit]

01:05:08, 12 February 2022 review of draft by MCHAMSTERYT[edit]


MCHAMSTERYT (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm Trying To Make An Article Of Dark Deception And It Keeps Getting Declined

MCHAMSTERYT None of the sources you offer are reliable sources with significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 01:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 10:27:56, 12 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Lightbluerain[edit]


I think the submission at least merits a stub article?

Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 10:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Lightbluerain To pass this process, you need to have at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage to summarize. You do not need to submit a fully finished article, but you need the sources. The sources you have offered do not have significant coverage- they seem to just be announcements of this man's activities. If you want to create a stub with the hope that others will expand it, you may do that yourself, but there is no guarantee that such a stub will be allowed to remain as a stub, and would probably be moved back to draft space. 331dot (talk) 10:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

11:11:53, 12 February 2022 review of draft by Zzz2497[edit]


Zzz2497 (talk) 11:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

i tried to submit this article for some time, however , all i get was the article "lack of neutral point of view", or "they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.", i am quite confused right now, since i see the same type of articles like "huobi","binance",or "uniswap" are up and running.

this is the article link. Draft:MDEX thank you so much.

Zzz2497 Please read other stuff exists. These other articles you have seen could also be inappropriate. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. We can only address what we know about. That these other articles exists does not automatically mean that yours can too, otherwise nothing could ever be removed from Wikipedia. If you want to use other articles as a model, make sure that they are classified as good articles.
Regarding your draft, as noted, the sources seem to be inappropriate as they are largely announcements of routine business activities, which does not establish notability. Please read the policies linked to in the messages you were given on the draft, as well as Your First Article.
If you are associated with this company, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on required formal disclosures. You have also chosen to edit in a contentious area(cryptocurrencies) which has its own special rules, I will post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

15:11:15, 12 February 2022 review of draft by 188.159.240.253[edit]


188.159.240.253 (talk) 15:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

What is your question? FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 15:43, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 Not done That was deleted as a massive copyright violation. We will not restore those. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

17:21:46, 12 February 2022 review of draft by Ajo47[edit]


I would like some examples of which references in my article's bibliography, citations, or outside links are not acceptable, and what kinds of sources you would consider acceptable. I have used print books and referred to pages in them, and have used many Wikipedia links to your other articles. I will continue to edit this article and add obituaries and photos. Are obituaries considered reliable sources? Thank you.

Ajo47 (talk) 17:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

19:21:52, 12 February 2022 review of submission by BrickBelltower[edit]

On 2/10 I asked you for help because I could not complete my draft AfC -- I was "copying and pasting" my personal article copy, section by section, into the Wiki AfC template. Then, I got to a certain point - specifically the listing for "Greenbaum" (which you can see as the last line entered in my AfC on the "Women's Project of New Jersey" Wiki article) and the AfC template would no longer accept my section "paste". I tried again and again. I went in and came out of the website. I simply was no longer able to paste in any more language into my draft AfC article. I found that I WAS able to TYPE in new language. But I could no longer "copy and paste" any additional language into the article. I don't want to have to "re-type" all the rest of the article. I want to be able to copy and paste the remaining language into the article. Can you help me? Caroline Jacobus, alias BrickBelltower BrickBelltower (talk) 19:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@BrickBelltower: Try editing it regularly. And I hope, for your sake, that sources are amongst the things you're going to be copy-pasting from your offline copy, otherwise all the copy-pasting will have been a wasted exercise. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 19:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
@BrickBelltower: And seeing you do have sources already in the article but formatted as plaintext, I'll point you to Help:Referencing for beginners, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, and {{cite magazine}}. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 20:05, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

21:05:45, 12 February 2022 review of submission by Congha2540[edit]

I am puzzled why this article was declined. This is a well-known artist who already appears on Wikipedia on the list of winners of International Photographer of the Year. Other winners have Wikipedia pages, so it seems strange she would be denied one. She was just the subject of a major Washington Post magazine article. I added a reference to a Boston Globe article. There are other sources listed as well, as as the World Gold Council video (an unusual honor) and Shonda Rimes’s Shondaland website. I respectively request another review. Congha2540 (talk) 21:05, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

It is stuffed with non neutral tone puffery and the only claim to passing WP:NARTIST is "Chatmon's work has been purchased by the Minneapolis Institute of Art" and that is unsourced. Theroadislong (talk) 21:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

21:53:36, 12 February 2022 review of submission by MOBCarry1[edit]


MOBCarry1 (talk) 21:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


Good afternoon, I believe that this article was done in error. I am making an article for music artist MOB Carry and we talked about this article being made. I would wish to have this article up and running to be posted on the main page of Wikipedia as this was done in error. Thank you for the inconvenience

The draft has been rejected it will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 21:57, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@MOBCarry: I too believe the error is in the Draft, since it is not sourced, nor does it demonstrate how they meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. If none of these criteria are met then they will not have an article on the English Wikipedia. Please ready through WP:YFA for more information. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 21:59, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict × 2) We're not going to accept unsourced articles about living persons, as Wikipedia is Not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Victor Schmidt (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

22:22:41, 12 February 2022 review of submission by Grnhrnt35[edit]


Thank you for creating a place to help new editors. My first article was moved out of the mains place, with a request to do a better job of citing my references. I complied and resubmitted, and it was rejected for plagiarism. All of the words were my own, and all of the references were cited. Even the topic is my own. I have written the editor on his or her talk page and responded on my talk page, and have no response. I am afraid to resubmit it without understanding why he or she thought that it was copied, or if I have misunderstood the reason for the rejection. The Draft is called “The Scottish Feudal Barony of MacDuff”, and is part of the series on Imperial, royal, noble, gentry and chivalric ranks in Europe. Thanks! (Grnhrnt35 (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2022 (UTC))

@Grnhrnt35: this copyvios report shows that 90% of the article was copy/pasted from another source. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 22:32, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Grnhrnt35 (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Content appears to have been copied and pasted from here https://www.baronyofmacduff.org/history Theroadislong (talk) 22:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response. It is as described on my talk page. The language that was used on that website, in some cases, was verbatim from my wiki article. That website was created AFTER the Wikipedia article I created and at one time linked to it when the article was in the main space. After my article got moved back to drafts, the link went dead, and the sites owner removed the link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grnhrnt35 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@Grnhrnt35: oh, that makes sense. I'm not totally sure what to do about this situation, but I've removed the speedy deletion tag from the draft for now. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 22:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Please look at the edit history of the draft for evidence that it was not cut and pasted. Also, I understand why editors would think that, abd have noted it on the talk page, as I read that was why an editor is supposed to do in such an instance. Is there more to that should be done? (Grnhrnt35 (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC))

@Grnhrnt35: if you resubmit the article, I'll accept it. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 23:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
@Wgullyn: Thank you, very much for your help (Grnhrnt35 (talk) 23:40, 12 February 2022 (UTC))

22:40:35, 12 February 2022 review of submission by Fmik36[edit]


Fmik36 (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

February 13[edit]

06:30:19, 13 February 2022 review of submission by DesiWriter1080[edit]

As I can see there's so many reliable sources related to subject.

https://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/directors-ayushi-anand-vishal-yoman-brings-the-real-side-of-mirzapur-via-mirzapur-official-2007470/

https://www.filmibeat.com/bollywood/2022/mirzapur-official-founders-vishal-yoman-and-ayushi-anand-say-always-stay-true-to-your-roots-328539.html

https://www.oneindia.com/partner-content/mirzapur-official-initiates-love-mirzapur-a-tribute-by-vishal-yoman-ayushi-anand-3360057.html

https://www.tellychakkar.com/tv/tv-news/wow-find-out-the-insights-of-mirzapur-city-mirzapur-official-vishal-yoman-and-ayushi

https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/outlook-spotlight-vishal-yoman-ayushi-anand-founder-of-mirzapur-official-a-platform-for-unheard-voices/409576

DesiWriter1080 (talk) 06:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

In order:
  1. We can't use the Bollywood Life source (unknown provenance). Role byline; who actually wrote this?
  2. " " " " Filmibeat " (" "). " "; " " " "?
  3. OneIndia is useless for notability (Connexion to subject). Story is labeled as partner content.
  4. The TellyChakkar source has been discussed and dismissed, as it's a repub of Bollywood Life.
  5. We can't use the Outlook India source (unknown provenance). Role byline; who actually wrote this?
None of the sources proffered above are usable at all. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 06:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

11:44:45, 13 February 2022 review of submission by Twentysumn[edit]

can I please get some insights on how the references are not notable? Twentysumn (talk) 11:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Listings, profiles and IMDb are not reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 11:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 14:57:11, 13 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Desertambition[edit]


Hello, I am trying to understand what constitutes appropriate notability for article creation. Some recent directors of Doctor Who episodes do not have articles created (Annetta Laufer, Haolu Wang) and I was under the impression that directing a show as big as Doctor Who is notable by itself. I made sure to add some other details that I could find. Jamie Magnus Stone has an article and his credentials and sources seem to be on par with if not worse than the ones I provided for Annetta Laufer. How could I improve my article so that it is appropriate for creation? If none are notable, would it be appropriate to nominate Jamie Magnus Stone for deletion?

Desertambition (talk) 14:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Desertambition: while the subject may be notable, right now the article needs more reliable, secondary sources. Currently a few of the references are interviews, which are considered primary sources and should be used sparingly. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 15:21, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
@Wgullyn: Thank you for the feedback! I'm not sure if there are any better sources. If the work is significantly notable, is there an argument for creating the page with a tag saying "more reliable sources needed"? It looks like most Doctor Who directors have pages with directing Doctor Who being their most notable work. I feel like it would be ok to not have perfect sources in this instance. Annetta Laufer and Haolu Wang also appear to be the first women of color to direct episodes of Doctor Who. Desertambition (talk) 15:41, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
@Desertambition: I'm not sure if they pass WP:NDIRECTOR right now. If they had directed a significant number of episodes, then they would probably be notable, but only directing a single episode probably isn't enough to qualify for an article. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 15:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
@Desertambition: (ec) To pass this process, you need at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage. If you wish to create the article in main space, you are free to do so, but it cannot be guaranteed that it will be allowed to remain there. As the person could be notable, any main space article you create about this would likely get moved back to Draft(or even deleted since you have a draft). 331dot (talk) 15:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
@Wgullyn: @331dot: I understand this a lot better now, thank you. I'm not sure what the best move is. Annetta Laufer has been involved in other films as well (Blue Story) but I'm not sure it passes WP:NDIRECTOR. She was recognized at the American Black Film Festival, which has a wiki article. It seems like both directors are on the edge of having an article. What should I do in your opinion? Desertambition (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
@Desertambition: I don't think she passes NDIRECTOR. If there were several independent reliable sources with significant coverage that discussed her and the significance of her career, she would pass the broader notable person definition, but that doesn't seem to be there right now. I would just keep an eye out for more sources and keep the draft handy(drafts are only deleted if not edited for six months). 331dot (talk) 16:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
@331dot: Ok, I'll just do that. Thank you :) Desertambition (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

18:15:08, 13 February 2022 review of draft by 62.122.119.223[edit]


Per Wikipedia Notability (Academics) guideline, any individual who meets one of the following criteria (#1-8) meets notability requirement. This professor holds a named chair position at Harvard University. Guideline #5 "The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon." Link is provided here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)

62.122.119.223 (talk) 18:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

The draftDraft:Timothy Colton does not mention this? We are not clairvoyant. Theroadislong (talk) 18:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia Notability (Academics) guideline, any individual who meets one of the following criteria (#1-8) meets notability requirement. This professor holds a named chair position at Harvard University. Guideline #5 "The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon." Link is provided here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)

Request on 19:58:59, 13 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by 223.190.91.172[edit]


Hi team,

the article submitted is not an advertisement or promotional blog. Tuikart was one of the first Edtech companies which is offering Pay Per session (Class) Just like ola concept in tuition/coaching so that people can get maximum with little spend. Also it helps people from poor section to afford tuition for their kids.

Hence, we wanted that if anyone wanted to know more about the company then they can also refer to Wikipedia. here we would be adding more about Tuikart Private Limited.

hence, Please approve.


223.190.91.172 (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no interest in helping potential customers learn about your company or its services. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves. We are only interested in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. The vast majority of companies do not merit articles. 331dot (talk) 20:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Request on 23:24:05, 13 February 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by 3cordguy[edit]


Hello! I’m trying to understand why my draft is not being accepted after adding more secondary and independent sources as requested. Are there any details that pertain to what exactly I’m missing here.

Thanks for any help.

3cordguy (talk) 23:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi 3cordguy. Examining half of the sources at random, they are not independent, reliable sources that contain significant coverage of him. His podcast's website is not independent of him. Neither is anything he has written, such as the article for The Christian Post, the EFCA blog post, or the author bio on Theology Mix. As far as the American Bible Society blog and MuskOx, almost all websites except those published by traditional publishers (such as news media) are self-published, and therefore not reliable. Furthermore, the former contains a single sentence about Whitman (not in depth and detailed coverage), and the second is an interview, Whitman talking about Whitman, so lacks independence. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

February 14[edit]

06:23:02, 14 February 2022 review of submission by Adeelkhanwwc[edit]


Adeelkhanwwc (talk) 06:23, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


How long would it take to review the Draft:Huma Batool by @adeelkhanwwc

On hold pending paid editing disclosure, see User talk:Adeelkhanwwc#Declare any connection. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

06:43:54, 14 February 2022 review of submission by Ayeshairshad[edit]


This is my firs article on wikipedia. I have tried to write it in as non-advertisement way as possible. I have only stated the facts about the NGO and their edtech mobile applications. I have added 45 plus citations. I have also added Paid template disclosure on my user page for this article.

Please help me and advice me what else should i do.

Ayeshairshad (talk) 06:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Ayeshairshad There is nothing that you can do, as the draft was rejected. This means that it cannot be considered any more. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about an organization and what it does. That is considered promotional here. Wikipedia articles about organizations must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization- not based on any materials put out by the organization or the mere reporting of its activities- showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. 331dot (talk) 11:20, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

09:03:10, 14 February 2022 review of submission by 2409:4055:2E0D:820C:0:0:278A:EB05[edit]


2409:4055:2E0D:820C:0:0:278A:EB05 (talk) 09:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

10:54:44, 14 February 2022 review of draft by JanetFizzCurtis[edit]


I wish to use an image where the photographer is unknown. The photograph was taken approx 1930. Is the allowed, please?

JanetFizzCurtis (talk) 10:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

JanetFizzCurtis I would first say that images are not needed in order to get a draft accepted, as reviewers are focused on the text content only- so you don't need to rush to get the image put in the draft(some types of images are not allowed in drafts too). Whether you can use it depends on the copyright law in your country. We have some documentation of this at Wikipedia:Copyright situations by country. See WP:UPIMAGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 11:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

11:01:45, 14 February 2022 review of submission by GoodPoliticstruthPolitics[edit]


Hi there. Are political candidates allowed to have a Wikipedia page?


GoodPoliticstruthPolitics (talk) 11:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

GoodPoliticstruthPolitics I assume this has to do with the draft I've added a link to in the template above. Please read WP:NPOLITICIAN. With very rare exceptions(such as Christine O'Donnell), merely being a candidate for public office does not merit the person a Wikipedia article. This is because in many places it is not difficult to get listed on the ballot as a candidate, which could lead to many people who register as candidates so they would get a Wikipedia article. That may sound silly to you, but it does happen even now. Wikipedia is not interested in aiding any campaigns, either.
They would merit one if they currently hold public office, or if they win their election. Otherwise, they would need to meet the broader definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

11:07:05, 14 February 2022 review of submission by LodoVena[edit]

hi, plz help me in publishing this article LodoVena (talk) 11:07, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. There does not seem to be significant coverage in independent reliable sources of the use of this slogan. 331dot (talk) 11:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

12:52:00, 14 February 2022 review of submission by Gvrpkumar[edit]


Phanindra Kumar.GVR (talk) 12:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

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