User level[edit]

Hi, I wanted to know how I can add a user level. I mean there will be a bar on my user page, and it will fill up as I edit articles. And beside it would be written, my next user level. Any idea on how to do that? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Here's a workaround, Itcouldbepossible. Just edit articles, constructively. Soon you will be "extended confirmed". Most people are, and few people will be surprised or much interested to know that you are. There are some other very minor superpowers that you can acquire; but again, few people will be interested. Some superpowers are a bit out of the ordinary, and you might want to advertise one or other of these; on the other hand, advertising them may seem somewhat vulgar. Best is to aim to be an article-improving Clark Kent. -- Hoary (talk) 11:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible Welcome to Tea House! As @Itcouldbepossible stated, it's rarely of interest to anyone else. This essay on WP:HATCOLLECTING could be useful on the mostly harms/some benefits of gamifying your user page with statistics. I do indulge myself with Wikipedia:Service awards as a way of marking specific tiers of editing. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary@Shushugah Actually I was talking about service award progress templates. I have finally found out. But still can anyone here give me some more service award progress template link? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: Hi there! You may be interested in Wikipedia:Service awards. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thanks for the page. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 02:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: i got one at the bottom of my user page (well technically the mRNA table is the one at the bottom of my user page) Is that what you looking for? also to ping users use this syntax

{{u|Username}} or {{ping|Username}}--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@LostCitrationHunter What are you talking about?? Why are you giving me a table. I was looking for service award progress templates? And I also know how to ping users. It is a automatic way. I use beta features. Thanks for the suggestion. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 15:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: the @ping feature doesnt work for me along with some more features, so i assumed it didn't work for anyone else. but i assume you got your service award — Preceding unsigned comment added by LostCitrationHunter (talk • contribs) 18:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting my draft ![edit]

resubmitting a draft

Hello ! I have re-edited my first drat that was rejected here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ana_Mar%C3%ADa_Gayoso (Ana Maria Gayoso) But i'm not sure its taken into account by Wikimedia ? Could someone help me check that it's still an open draft and could someone actually create the article page if it now meets the standard of wikipedia ? Thanks ! Hamudauw (talk) 07:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

hi Hamudauw! your draft is still open and can be submitted, you may have accidentally removed the header and comments. i have readded them. happy editing!  melecie  t - 08:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

fixing failed ping: Hamudauw  melecie  t - 08:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Ana María Gayoso was Declined, not Rejected (more severe), and then resubmitted. While waiting for the next reviewer, try to address the Comments. David notMD (talk) 11:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

MANY (1, 2, 6, 7, 8...) of the references are to journal articles for which she is not a co-author. Remove all those. Remove a lot of the science description. What needs to be referenced is what people published about her, not about her field of research. For academics, there is often a section titled "Selected works" to list journal articles or books authored or co-authored by the subject of the article. This is allowed content, but is not sufficient to confirm notability unless the person has been written about. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Accepted. There are still references to journal articles that are not authored by Gayoso, nor mention her. The article is about her, not plankton science. This should be remedied. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Changed image too similar to previous image and rejected?[edit]

Hi all! What do I do if an image I edited to replace a previous one is too similar and is rejected by Wiki as a duplicate?

I'm working on the article of the Battle of Gosselies, and I created some battle maps using Google Earth and historical maps. However I'm still improving and refining my research, and I got one location slightly off and edited my image to reflect the correct location. Essentially all I did was move one white dot on the map. This was not detected by Wiki and it flagged it as a duplicate, which it isn't. So I can't update the map, and I can't delete the original file I uploaded either. As a battle map and as a location that was part of the combat, that location matters. How do I replace that image and get the updated image accepted? Talamioros (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Talamioros: If you navigate to the filepage on Commons, for example here, there is a file history section below the current version where it says "Upload a new version of this file". As far as I'm aware, the new upload is not compared with the old version and just replaces it. I assume you got into trouble because you tried to upload the edited version under a new name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I'm not sure if I've got your name right, this reply mechanism is a bit arcane...but I have tried doing what you suggested, and the update was still rejected because moving one dot was too small a change and Wiki still considered it a duplicate. I've sidestepped the issue however, by cropping the images to a slightly different proportion, and I had those uploaded as new uploads without issue. Talamioros (talk) 06:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Talamioros: You said that you made the maps "using Google Earth". Does that mean that the aerial photography used as the background for the maps came from Google Earth? If it does, that might be a problem, since images from Google Earth generally aren't sufficiently free to be used on Wikimedia Commons. In any case, you should should mention the source of the background imagery in the file description. If you visit the pictures' pages on Commons you can edit the description to add a note to the "source" field. (Visiting from Commons: Teahouse hosts should tell me if I'm out of line) --bjh21 (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bjh21: Yes, that's right, unfortunately. What I have done is used a blank Earth shot with no annotations, and then annotated it with my own historical map information, allowing readers to see how the spaces relate to modern locations. In the absence of time to rectify the picture, and in the belief that the maps are crucial to explain the description of the battle, I'll be leaving the current images there for the time being while I plan to rectify it. I have, as suggested, updated the source as a stopgap measure. Thanks to the page you shared about the media resources, I'll do up a replica of the maps on Maps For Free once I have the time, which will be sooner rather than later, and replace the current Google Earth-based ones. Of course, if it's a real immediate problem, you or other editors can take any necessary action. Either way, now that I know where else I can get a blank map, I'll have replacements up shortly. Talamioros (talk) 05:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Noteability[edit]

Hello, I am having trouble publishing an article about an actor I like. He is in two series on Netflix, and a few different sites containing biographical information. However the approval person says this actor is not noteworthy. I don't see how this is possible Is being in two different Netflix series sufficient for being noteworthy? Sirspensir (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sirspensir: Welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:NACTOR – for one thing, it isn't just about what series he's appeared in, but also the notability of those series and the significance of his roles. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 04:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sirspensir: It's also required to provide multiple independent sources that provide significant coverage of the actor, and the Netflix links are not independent. Also, please do not remove the AFC templates from Draft:Eldar Kalimulin, as they provide you important information to improve your draft, as well as giving you a method to resubmit the draft when you've improved it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sirspensir (talk) the reviewer did not say that the actor wasn't notable, but that Draft:Eldar Kalimulin did not show him to be notable. Your draft consists of only one sentence, and two of your online references were Netflix cites which just showed that the series existed, and didn't even list Kalimulin's name. Did he have recurring roles in those series, or just have a small role in a couple of episodes? The other reference was in a foreign language, showed a photo of the actor, and a few bits of information I couldn't read. Are there newspaper or magazine articles about Kalimulin? Not articles just mentioning he was in a series, but ones giving details about his acting career, awards he's been nominated for, or other accomplishments that would make someone believe the person was notable. Reading Help:Your first article may help you improve your draft. Best wishes on your article project. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@ClaudineChionh The reason I wanted to make this article is that the other actors in this series have Wikipedia articles, and only this actor's name is in red signifying he doesn't have a page. The show is in the 'Popular on Netflix' section, so I think it seems to be quite relevant. Moreover, I feel being on Netflix is no small feat.

@GoingBatty Thank you for that info. I was unaware Netflix is not considered an independent source. I will brush up on that. I am not sure what you mean by removing the AFC templates... I shall also look into that.

@Karenthewriter Thank you for differentiating that - being noteworthy and being shown to be noteworthy, those are two quite different things. Also, Eldar Kalimulin is listed on the page to which I provided the link. His name is listed 6th for actors and I believe he is in every episode of both shows. I used those as references because I saw that the page of one of the lead actors used them as references, so I thought they would work for the other actor which I am writing the page for (though of course there were additional sources for the main actor). Thank you all for your advice! I am really enjoying this learning experience and grateful for the friendly community — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirspensir (talk • contribs) 07:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sirspensir perhaps if a person has a Netflix account Kalimulin's name can be seen on the links, but I could only see an advertisement that shows names of 3 actors. I looked again after you stated he was listed on the page, and I tried to click on different "tabs" but just got a notice that I needed to register with Netflix. I wasn't able to see that Kalimulin was connected to the series. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sirspensir: Those big pink boxes at the top of Draft:Eldar Kalimulin are the Articles for Creation (AfC) templates. When you click the "Edit source" tab on your draft, you'll see templates such as {{AFC submission}} and {{AFC comment}} with a comment stating "Do not remove this line!" Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sirspensir. Netflix is not considered an independent source doesn't really make sense without context. Netflix is not an independent source for information about any Netflix show, or the people involved in one. It could in principle be an independent source about something else (though I don't know in what circumstances Netflix might publish information about something else). --ColinFine (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I assumed that Netflix would not be a credible source if I were writing about Netflix, but I thought it would be credible for citing the actor's achievements. @Karenthewriter:No need to sign in as I was not signed in either. There are the three main actors listed at the top of the site, but if you scroll down until after the episode list, there is a more extensive list with Mr Kalimulin's name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirspensir (talk • contribs) 07:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Sirspensir, notability requires significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Netflix is certainly not an independent source about an actor working on one of their shows, since they have a financial stake in the success of that show and an actor appearing in it. Nothing published by Netflix can ever be used to establish the notability of any actor it employs. Cullen328 (talk) 07:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Pls what about jss examination[edit]

 105.112.50.40 (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The Teahouse is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have such a question? Cullen328 (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft decline question by Johnscy[edit]

Why my draft been declined again and again Johnscy (talk) 08:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Johnscy. You have been given lots of advice on your talk page: User talk:Johnscy. Is there anything there that you don't understand?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Johnscy: the first sentence of Draft:Ankit Yadav is blatantly promotional. So is the second sentence. The third "sentence" is not a sentence at all, it's ungrammatical. All that could be fixed. A more serious problem is that the draft cites no sources (though it does list some). To make an acceptable article, you'll need to find some independent sources (not written by the subject, not based on interviews with him), and base what you write entirely on what those sources say about him. Maproom (talk) 10:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Help with module editing[edit]

How do I add the presence of a particular group in a specific district without overlapping with the dot for that district? --Firestar464 (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC) Firestar464 (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Maybe this is about Module:Taliban_insurgency_detailed_map?   Maproom (talk) 10:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I am obsessed with it :P. --Firestar464 (talk) 10:31, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Adding content on existing page[edit]

Hello Sir/Madam, I Tushar Nikam have created a new account on Wikipedia and wanted to add proper and verified content to existing wiki pages. I have been posting content from Animehunch.com as I represent them. We write the article ourselves related to our niche with proper sources. As I am new to this I have a few doubts regarding content posting,
1. Do I need to make an account for posting in the name of the company?
2. If not, Do I need to submit the documents regarding the verification for representing a company?
3. Can I create new pages which don't exist on Wikipedia?
Thank you for letting me know some things and I would like to contribute to our wiki community.
Regards, Tushar Nikam. TusharNikam5 (talk) 10:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Based on your contribs, you are evidently WP:NOTHERE. --Firestar464 (talk) 10:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@TusharNikam5: Your activity here so far only had undesirable effects, with no benefit to the encyclopedia. If you continue to display a narrow self-interested or promotional activity in article writing your editing privileges will be suspended. You can contribute as a paid editor, whereby the motivation to contribute is self-interested, but the results are objectively in the interest of Wikipedia. However it will be very hard for you to form a correct picture for what counts as benefit to Wikipedia, as someone for whom the primary motivation is self-interested. It's important that you understand and accept this, and to try to learn how Wikipedia is improved through normal editorial processes which are all based around selfless, volunteering, work. To answer your questions:

1. Posting in the name of your company, such as by creating an account for the company, to represent the company here, is prohibited. You can only contribute as an individual, so that it is always you as a human person who is associated with the account (see WP:NAMEGUIDE). Then you would be required to disclose your employer/client/affiliations per WP:PAID. Despite being paid, you would still be using the account in your own name and on your own behalf, and this disclosure would simply inform the community of a specific type of risk arising from your activity, that would be constantly scrutinized. Since your current account has already been used for paid editing, don't create another account for this purpose.
2. You don't need to submit any documents.
3. You would be able to submit new articles in accordance with the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline; this means that Wikipedia:Articles for creation would need to be used.

— Alalch Emis (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Do not create more than one account and then use more than one account to edit an article. Wikipedia refers to that as sockpuppetry (WP:SOCKPUPPET), which will lead to being indefinitely blocked from editing. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Section of an Article[edit]

in the section Characteristics in the Woody (Toy Story) article is it fine to keep/necessary or is it something that should actually be in the article? Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:05, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Welcome to the teahouse, yes, you can keep it, but in that section you pointed out, there is a lot of citation markings, and you might want to do some research to add citations (if needed). So far, there is 2-3 "citation needed" markings, and do some research! Maybe you can add citations and erase the markings on the page. Severestorm28 (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

The place to ask is on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: yes I know, but nothing ever gets answered there until a year later. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: I think @Kaleeb18: meant to ask here, at the teahouse, for questions. Severestorm28 (talk) 15:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I need your help[edit]

Hi I'm new in Wikipedia, One person in our country who was the invited to the united nation's general assembly in 2013 his name Baqibillah Mishkat Chowdhury, I was created a article about his biography and submitted to draft space. after some time I was moved that ‍article in the main space. After that a person move the article from main space to draft space. Then I was deleted that Article from the draft space. After some time I wrote same Article in the draft space and submitted for approve. I attached all reference in article. But a few minutes ago was decline my article. I want to know my article is correctly submitted or if there is any mistake. I hoe you will help me. Thanks Sumon Mahmud786 (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sumon Mahmud786: Welcome to the Teahouse. The recent reviewer appears to have concerns over a few things: the addition of a lot of citations (considered overciting; only 1–3 reliable sources are needed); ensuring that the sources are reliable, secondary, independent, and significantly talk about the subject; and the use of a presumably copyright-violating image, which could be replaced with a fair-use equivalent if the draft is accepted into mainspace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu 🐲 how to resubmit for review i' don't know please help me, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumon Mahmud786 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sumon Mahmud786:  Courtesy link: Draft:Baqibillah Mishkat Chowdhury There is a re-submit button at the bottom of the template where Timtrent declined your original submission. Note that, contrary to what Tenryuu implied, images of a living person that are under copyright are not allowed in articles about them, as the free-use rationale will not be met: it is assumed that someone could take and freely license a new image (see WP:NFC#UUI). For the present, focus on tidying up the article as suggested in the reviewers comments. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

How to mention myself (or someone else, for that matter)[edit]

I'm working on a userstyle for Wikipedia and need to generate a mention to test a edit I am doing to the notification area. Is there any way I can do that?\ Thanks, Maccore Henni user talk Please talk back using ```tb``` to increase your chances of being responded to. Thank you very, very much! 17:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mac Henni Welcome. I have no idea what you are seeking to achieve by this request. But if this is an example of you trying to welcome new users, it fails utterly. I can't make head nor tails out of all the rambling garbage in your signature, and have no idea what you mean by saying ```tb``` I suspect that a new user would have even less of a clue. Please don't leave it like that and please don't leave similarly signed messages for anyone else. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Presumably they mean {{tb}}. ♘ME_isSCAMMER 00:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mac Henni Please see WP:SIGNATURE. I couldn't even tell it was a signature until the timestamp. - cheezejack | talk | contributions - 00:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Romulus and Remus (Rubens)[edit]

Hello! Please, expand this articles.--Станислав Савченко (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Article about a Rubens painting created in 2009; never referenced. David notMD (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Станислав Савченко: You may want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for your editing!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 18:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I move a draft of a new Wiki page out of my Sandbox?[edit]

I have a draft of a new Wiki page - Brother Michael Titus Moylan, Superior General of the Christian Brothers - in my Sandbox. What do I have to do to be allowed to publish it? BuffyO'B (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B: Welcome to the Teahouse! You have no independent reliable sources for Draft:Michael Titus Moylan (Find a Grave is user-generated, and is therefore considered generally unreliable.) I suggest you follow the guidance at Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

An edit to a page[edit]

The date of birth for rachid Khdar is wrong because the government had the wrong date abut now that it is corrected I want to change it but my request keeps getting deleted . I can provide other proof but if you go to his face book profile you can see his real birth date

https://www.facebook.com/souhail.khdar Ikosaheadrom (talk) 20:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Rachid Khdar

@Ikosaheadrom:WP:FACEBOOK says The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject.

However, the Facebook link you provide is a personal profile, not a public page, so even if we could be sure it was authentic, I suspect that using this as a source for date of birth may be a breach of privacy. Please see WP:DOB for some considerations. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ikosaheadrom: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest discussing this on the article's talk page, Talk:Rachid Khdar. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Making Pages[edit]

YearAccount 213234 (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Hey There YearAccount 213234 (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Can I Be An Admin

hi YearAccount 213234! not now, it's still way too early for you to be an admin. admins usually need years (yes, years) of experience before getting a realistic chance to be an admin. and even then, admins don't have any advantages over non-admins, they just are regular people holding a mop. happy editing!  melecie  t - 01:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@YearAccount 213234: Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you've never edited Wikipedia before. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. After lots of experience editing Wikipedia, maybe one day you can be an administrator. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Menjarna Shenkora to Minjarna Shenkora[edit]

Hello, this article has the wrong spelling. It's Minjarna Shenkora not Menjarna Shenkora, a google (book) search will confirm it. It's named after an old district of Minjar(still the most used, nice and short). Finally in the web archived census source. On page 8 it's Minjar Shenkora and on page 14 it's Minjarna Shenkora.^[1] Can someone change it? Or how do i do it myself? Thanks

Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest discussing the change on the article talk page Talk:Menjarna Shenkora before moving it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Oke, sent the creator of article a message, thnx, you too. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:26, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Rise of the Moors[edit]

How do I change the title from Rise of the Moors to Rise of the Moors Militia? June Waugh El (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@June Waugh El: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to User:June Waugh El/sandbox/Rise of the Moors? If so, look at the yellow box at the top of the draft and find where it says "Warning: This page should probably be located at Draft:Rise of the Moors (move)" and click on the "move" link. Then change the name of the draft to "Rise of the Moors Militia" before clicking "Move page". If this is what you want but you are unable to do so, please reply here and one of us will help you with the move. I hope you have several independent sources to add to your draft before submitting it for approval. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

New math![edit]

Calculator Math made new math, award certificate, and world recorded!!!  Smalemon (talk) 05:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Smalemon: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Filmography Listing Noontime and Variety Show Appearances[edit]

I would like to edit an article of a singer/actress. Her filmography section currently lists dozens of appearances on variety/noontime/game shows in the Television section. Is it proper to include these appearances or should they be deleted? I should note that her career right now is basically as a film actress and singer. So I just find it somewhat weird to include all these random appearances in her filmography. Her participation in these shows is a guest or performer, not as a host. What's the policy on this? Koikefan (talk) 07:05, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

External tools[edit]

There are external tools when I view page history of an article, like; Find addition/removal, Find edits by user (Alternate), Page statistics, Pageviews, Fix dead links. Is it safe to use? —It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 08:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki Yes, absolutely! - those links are provide for you to use, and can be very helpful I do think tools like 'WikiBlame' are incredibly useful to find a point when certain line of text was first inserted into an article - but they are probably a bit overlooked. Any tool that actually fixes things (makes changes), rather than simply displaying information has to be used with the same responsibility as any other editing tool here. But you are welcome to explore and find what is useful for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:49, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!—It'sCtrlwiki • talk •

Making a Request to the community to upload pictures of musicians?[edit]

Hello i want to create a music section in a article for very notable Ethiopian/Amharic musicians. I found more than enough pictures of male performers of different genre's/era's, but not enough of female performers pictures are uploaded even though there's probably just as many of articles.

Can i request the wiki community here/somewhere for the upload of pictures?

Pictures of oldies and deceased Asnaketch Worku and Bizunesh Bekele. Old and alive Emahoy Tsegué-Maryam Guèbrou.

Less old Gigi (singer), Abby Lakew and Tsedenia Gebremarkos. Some newer ones Betty G and Munit Mesfin.

For the two deceased it's (almost) impossible to figure out who owns the copyright and/or if there is any, based on google searches. Does someone has a better way?

I just need one of the 3 oldies, and one of the newer/less old. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 08:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria Welcome to the Teahouse. You might be very pleased to learn that, for deceased people, we do allow copyrighted images to be uploaded directly to Wikipedia (but not Wikimedia Commons) under a 'Non-Free content' basis (see WP:NFC) In particular, see point 10 of that page at WP:NFCI. Where a person is still alive, that is a very different matter. If you can find copyrighted images posted of living people on sites like Flickr, it can sometimes yield results if you approach the photographer directly and ask them to change the licencing of that specific image, or upload it themselves to Commons. I have used that method with wildlife images occasionally, and found some photographers only too happy to help, knowing that their work will be seen and used more widely. I hope this helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes thank you this could be very helpful! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes One more question, can i use a non-free file in this way or is this considered a gallery, and is that allowed? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Nirmal Baby Varghese[edit]

I have a doubt. The article Nirmal Baby Varghese I created was previously reviewed by an admin. It also showed up on Google search. But now why does that page not show up in Google search. BC171189 (talk) 08:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

There are 14653 articles awaiting new page patrol at Special:NewPagesFeed. New articles are NOINDEXed until either reviewed at NPP or 90 days old. I don't know which admin you think reviewed the page; the logs show that it was reviewed by TheChronium, now blocked as a sockpuppet so the page was marked as unreviewed. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello::@David Biddulph:, Thank you for clearing my doubts with your clear reply. BC171189 (talk) 10:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Can a more experienced editor review the page "Druthers"? I think it should be a candidate for deletion.[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druthers

Numerous problems, but all citations go to druther's own website and advert like tone. Cripplemac (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I recommend Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 10:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cripplemac Welcome to the Teahouse. Yuk! what a promotional mess. I've moved it to Draft:Druthers lest there are three or four sources that someone might unearth that could demonstrate it's notable, though I doubt it. When considering an article for deletion, it's not just about what's already in the page that counts. See WP:BEFORE] to understand the steps editors are expected to go through prior to putting an article up for deletion. Thanks for drawing it to our attention. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Apropos of Canada-related junk articles, I came across Keltic Lodge today, a mere decade after it had been concocted. -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Does WP:NPOL covers Mayors of the cities?[edit]

I think they don't but still wanted to confirm what others think. Somewhere I also remember a discussion that said mayors of major cities are considered notable but not for smaller cities. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad. The applicable language from WP:NPOL is Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. This type of coverage is more likely for big city mayors than small town mayors, but in the end, it is the quality of the coverage in reliable sources that matters more than the size of the city. Cullen328 (talk) 17:20, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello from Carlos[edit]

 Carlos henrique vaz da costa oliveira (talk) 15:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Carlos henrique vaz da costa oliveira: Hi! Do you have any question about editing Wikipedia? --CiaPan (talk) 15:34, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Possible citogenesis at Lipstick lesbian[edit]

Back in February of this year there was a discussion here on a suspected case of citogenesis, that was 14 years old. There is a similar discussion currently ongoing at Talk:Lipstick lesbian. I've made a notification at Wikipedia talk:List of citogenesis incidents and I was wondering if there were any other appropriate venues to make a notification about this? Sideswipe9th (talk) 15:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 Courtesy link: Citogenesis Casual readers of Wikipedia may be puzzled by the term Citogenesis, which refers to a story created from a mistaken Wikipedia article, which generates a lot of articles in the conventional press derived from the Wikipedia article, the WP article then citing those same press articles as its sources. See Randal's XKCD cartoon for explanation, [1] Elemimele (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Flagging content for revision?[edit]

Hi folks, I’ve been really interested to learn about how Wikipedia managed to morph from an open source information repository plagued with vandalism and poorly referenced articles to something infinitely better than the encyclopaedias I grew up with. For now though I’m concerned about disinformation and the effect it has on functioning democracies so I’m motivated to help in some way. I’d like help understanding 2 things.

1) When I’ve found a search is unsuccessful so have clicked ‘request this page’ but backed out before following through I’ve always wondered if there is a bot which collects those search terms and perhaps analyses for frequent topics. Is this the case?

2) I’ve got a lot to learn and I really don’t want to step on anyone’s toes so any etiquette tips regarding how to approach disinformation would be much appreciated. I’ve picked a complicated example deliberately so that I can get some nuanced responses. I’m hoping seasoned editors can share a bit about the way they apply logic when ensuring that a media outlet is accurately described on Wikipedia.

eg. 
“Because the academic and social progress of my students was at stake, I followed the COVID-19 data closely from the beginning. And I found that school closures were irrational and counterproductive. According to the most comprehensive studies to date, COVID’s survival rate among children and adolescents appears to be around 99.995%.” I then looked at the reference link provided (WSJ) and then wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal

“(The Journal's) editorial board has promoted views that are at odds with the scientific consensus on climate change, acid rain, and ozone depletion, as well as on the health dangers of passive smoking, pesticides, and asbestos.[13]” https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/school-closures-covid-alex-gutentag [13] https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260

There is an 11yo page for ‘tabletmag’ but I don’t feel it accurately reflects that content. I can see that submissions are accepted so it’s clear an editorial decision was made to publish these 4 articles. Even with very little training in formal logic I can spot a ‘call to authority’ at 50 paces but I am a complete novice about process and context so how hosts relate their own editorial practice in relation to disinformation will help me work out whether there is anything useful I can contribute here. Ideally I’d like a cue sheet of ‘if/then’ actions I can take when the Tsunami of disinformation falls upon us as it undoubtedly will when an election is called.

Thanks for any and all insight or messages related to this post. Please be kind. It has been a rough few years for everyone. EthicalAugur (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, EthicalAugur and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for your kind words at the beginning. When you talk about "submissions are accepted" and "an editorial decision was made to publish these 4 articles", it sounds as if you are thinking that Wikipedia has something like an editorial board: it doesn't. Decisions are made by a consensus of any and all volunteer editors who choose to be involved in them. Publishing an article is more formal than it used to be, and it will generally get looked at by at least a new page patroller; but often only by that one editor. Probably the majority of new articles now come throughy the articles for creation mechanism, and will be reviewed by at least one editor before they are accepted into the encyclopaedia; but editors who are autoconfirmed may create new articles directly. We also have many many older articles that are seriously deficent and would not now be accepted.

I see two complementary approaches to the issues you raise. One is to work on those specific articles, being BOLD, and/or discussing on their talk pages what needs doing. The other is to propose policies, or changes in policies: this is again achieved by consensus, and starts with a discussion at the village pump - or, if it affects only articles in a particular subject area, possibly in a WikiProject that covers that area. --ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Lots of difficult thoughts, but they can be distilled, I think, into two simpler ideas. (1) Wikipedia isn't here to fight misinformation, or find the truth. It's here to report what other people say is the truth; and we rely on them, not ourselves, to fight misinformation. We try to avoid fringe conspiracy theories, and we evaluate our sources, but that's about our limit. (2) Wikipedia's strength against misinformation comes from the diversity and quantity of people who edit its articles. If one person is hoodwinked by a bad source, or one person is biased, they will be balanced by others who recognise the source is bad, or who have a different bias. The same idea applies to our sources. We rely on the idea that even if someone tries to disseminate misinformation, it is unlikely they will fool every reliable newspaper and author that has access to a printing press or the internet. Thank you for the question; it's good that we're made to think about such things. Elemimele (talk) 16:39, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Two comments:

1. The list of "requested" pages is pretty much a graveyard. (I once decided to pull a request out of the list and try to make an article. I chose a request which, unlike almost all the others, supplied some references. I found that the references were to interviews with the subject, and so did not demonstrate notability. I tried to find better references, failed, and gave up.)
2. The "eg" passage you quote above seems clueless. They don't close schools because the pupils might catch Covid and die, they close them because the pupils might catch Covid and transmit it to more vulnerable people. Maproom (talk) 16:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

It is worth noting that editors here rely on consensus and we've developed a pretty comprehensive list of sources we consider are reliable (or not). See WP:RSPS for the summary. Also, for medical claims we have much higher level of source requirements, summarised in the policy at WP:MEDRS — an article well worth reading. If you look at the edit history of recently-updated articles on pharmaceuticals, for example molnupiravir, you'll see that quite a few entries are removals of material that don't meet that standard. Hence, I don't think that the WSJ article could ever be used as the sole source for that claim about children. If the claim was to stand in a WP article, I would hope the reference would be to a MEDRS-compliant source (e.g. a review article in a refereed scientific journal). You can see the sort of internal discussion that goes on on COVID-related topics if you look at Talk:Ivermectin and its archives. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

the end the fight[edit]

how to contribute to the fight.. 69.7.254.75 (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Which fight are you referring to? If you're referring to the fight against vandalism, see Wikipedia:Vandalism. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Move article from Sandbox[edit]

I am a new editor. I have had 10 edits+ and some contributions. I'd like to contribute more to the community but am failing to publish my first article. I read that an established publisher can be able to move my article from my sandbox if unable to do it myself. Please assist. Thanks Dalubuhle. DalubuhleLunga (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DalubuhleLunga. I assume that you are talking about User:DalubuhleLunga/sandbox, which is an unreferenced draft biography of a living person. By policy, all biographies of living people must be properly referenced. Also, you have external links in the body of the draft, which is not correct. Please read Your first article and follow the instructions there. Cullen328 (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328 Hie. Thanks alot, let me go through it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DalubuhleLunga (talk • contribs) 18:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

To you and other new accounts - the Publish changes rectangle at the bottom is really a 'Save' button. It does not submit a draft for review, nor publish it. David notMD (talk) 01:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I need help on changing pages[edit]

I keep getting blocked for vandalising pages but I just don’t know how to edit! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.228.137 (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I need some help on editing. I can’t edit I just vandalise and I am not an experienced editor! 86.12.228.137 (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

86.12.228.137 (talk) have you read Wikipedia:Wikipedia Adventure and Help:Introduction? If so, which parts of them are you having the most difficulties understanding? Asking specific questions, instead of stating you need help editing, will allow volunteers to know what assistance you need. Karenthewriter (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Quotes[edit]

Hi there, I dont like the way the template quotebox looks and im looking for a different thing like it or a different way to quote it, are there any? Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Well, Template:Quotation templates lists some alternatives, but most of them should be used sparingly, if at all, in actual articles—a simple {{Blockquote}} is what's most often suitable in articles. What do you want to use the quotation for? Deor (talk) 22:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

well in the article Woody (Toy Story) in the characteristics section the quote box just looks bad and i was wondering if there were better ones because I see different ways people put quotes on other articles. Kaleeb18 (talk) 03:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

After submission, my draft has two conflicting Afc templates[edit]

When I first created my draft article Draft:Lucia Nifontova, it had an AfC submission template. After a lengthy editing period, I pressed the submission button and it seems to have added another AfC submission template without removing the first one (diff). Was it supposed to? My draft doesn't have the banner I typically see on other draft articles. Lee Choquette (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Lee Choquette I have cleaned it up. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Dodger67 Thanks! Lee Choquette (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Can someone create a wikipedia page for me if I provide all the necessary information?[edit]

Hello, my name is Chloe Bailey & I've been asked to create a Wikipedia page for a good friend of mine who plays basketball overseas. Unfortunately, I do not know what I'm doing and my sandbox and edits keep getting flagged. I can provide all the information and images & references

A page was once created for the basketball player by a wiki admin. Everything was accurate except the admin listed him as deceased in which he contacted wiki and explained to them he was not dead and he wanted that information removed. Instead of just removing that bit of information, they removed the entire page. What do I need to do to have the page reinstated or does it need to go to another editor?

I copied and pasted the information he sent to me. He's very relevant and notable. He played for the Minnesota Timberwolves until suffering a career-ending injury.

. Cbailey10 (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the information you have can not be original research your information must come from reliable sources. Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia:Your First Article Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Cbailey10:. Not every sportsperson warrants having their own Wikipedia article. The first thing to do is determine whether your friend satisfies that standard, which Wikipedia calls "notability". Take a good look at the criteria listed at ​Wikipedia:Notability (sports) and particularly WP:NBASKETBALL to see if they qualify. If not, then it may just be too soon in their career to have an article. But if they do meet the standard then gather up all the reliable sources and the best place to find a volunteer to write the article is probably the Wikiproject related to basketball, namely Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball. --Gronk Oz (talk) 21:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• Kaleeb18, from their tone albeit I haven’t seen the article in question, i do not believe this to be them having a problem with original research but a potential COI. @Cbailey10 first off, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, you are strongly advised not to create articles for people you are familiar with in any capacity. See WP:COI & WP:NOT. Furthermore as for referencing properly you might want to see WP:REFB and then WP:CITE. Please see WP:YFA also. If there is a potential COI or you haven’t learnt how this collaborative project works, you can please go here and include the name of the article you want to see created. Celestina007 (talk) 21:02, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• At the top: A page was once created for the basketball player by a wiki admin. Everything was accurate except the admin listed him as deceased in which he contacted wiki and explained to them he was not dead and he wanted that information removed. Instead of just removing that bit of information, they removed the entire page. I see no evidence of this. There has never been an article titled "Jermaine Barnes". Draft:Jermaine barnes (small "B") was declined (not rejected, let alone deleted) on 15 April '21. Cbailey10, you have been working on Draft:Jermaine Barnes (big "B") from 3 November '21. You're free to continue to do so. Incidentally, though you say my sandbox and edits keep getting flagged, you have never edited your sandbox. (Have you perhaps also edited under a different user name?) If you mean that the draft you're working on keeps getting flagged, well, yes. For one thing, as Barnes is a living person, assertions must be linked to references; it's not enough for a screenful of text to be followed by a list of sources; we need to know which part comes from where. -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing declined draft article[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:W._Franklyn_Richardson

How do I edit a declined draft article in the VisualEditor? What are tildes? VelorrWrite (talk) 22:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

VelorrWrite, it seems to me that you must have used tildes to sign your question. Anyway, it's a curvy mark that you sometimes find (among other place) over the letter "n" in written Spanish. And at least on the English keyboard, it's the key at the top left, just to the left of the number 1; you have to shift. Uporządnicki (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@VelorrWrite: You edit a declined draft in the VisualEditor the same you edit an article: by clicking the "Edit" tab. A tilde looks like this: ~ Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

new article immediately public withut review?[edit]

Hi, I guess a quick question with quick answer here: I just worked on my second article for the english wiki and I am a bit confused as to why the process seems different. Last time I wrote something like a draft and then - when I felt it was ready - I actively had to submit it to be reviewed by someone before it got published. I assumed that this would be the standard work process. However, now in my second article I don´t find this button to send it to review. Is it already public now? I actually would have liked to keep it in draft mode for today and look over it again tomorrow before submitting.

I probably did something different this time, but I am not sure what it was. Would love to have the draft option next time again if possible, as people last time suggested I should not use my sandbox to draft an article :-)

Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrinus_gibbus

Thanks! Anja Ajottel (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Ajottel, I've had a look at Gyrinus gibbus, and it seems fine to me, it deserves its status as an article. You created it directly in article space without going through the review procedure. So it's public, but you can still improve if if you wish.

Well-written articles about animal and plant species are rarely a problem. Articles about "upcoming" bands generally are a problem - I recommend keeping away from those. Maproom (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Maproom Thanks for having a look. Where can I make a draft next time? I forgot how I found it last time... I think I just followed a link someone gave me. I have to admit the user surface of wikipedia is very difficult to crasp and I never find anything :-/ Is there a search function for these kind of questions? The regular search of course does not really lead to the results I need but to any article related to drafts...

Here is a tip for you, Ajottel. Type WP and then a colon and then a plausible keyword into the search box. In this case, WP:DRAFT leads to a page with all the information you need to work with drafts. Cullen328 (talk) 23:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

National Centre for Australian Children's Literature major update to the Wikiprdia entry[edit]

Hello, I have been tasked with updating the entry for the National Centre for Australian Children's Literature. The entry is very out-of-date as there have been significant changes to the Centre since it was done and the amount of editing would be huge. After some discussion we are considering whether it would be better to create a completely new entry for the Centre. However we do not know if this is possible - can you please advise? Thank you Ruth Nitschke National Centre for Australian Children's Literature Ruth Nitschke (talk) 23:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

It would be best to update the article. Be sure to consider and declare your WP:COI and WP:PAID issues before contributing. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ruth Nitschke. I recommend that you use the Edit request process at Talk: National Centre for Australian Children's Literature. Creating a completely new article is rarely acceptable and can be perceived as showing disrespect to the 22 editors who have worked on this article over the past ten years. I recommend that you request a series of small, incremental edit requests in the form of "please change X to Y", accompanying each request with a link to a reliable source verifying the new content. Lengthy, complex requests are far less likely to be successful. Cullen328 (talk) 01:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Userboxes[edit]

How do i use userboxes? I am struggling positioning them...is there a way to do that? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

You can use a table to force them to sit where you want them to; what way is it you'd like them to display? ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I want to display then on the right and make them go down. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, try using the following code and just add each box in a new line as shown:

{| align="right" 
|-
|{{first userbox}}
|-
|{{second userbox}}
|-
|{{third userbox}}
|}

That should create an invisible table forcing its contents into right alignment, the boxes will then stack under each other to the right. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 01:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: You could also use {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}} if you like. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Citation[edit]

I made a mistake while editing Patrick Surtain the second's page with the citation, will someone plase help me? InternetScavenger89 (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Presumably Patrick Surtain II. -- Hoary (talk) 03:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Viewed as a set, InternetScavenger89, this set of edits of yours seems OK. Perhaps you made a mistake and later fixed it yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Reinstating a deleted page[edit]

An article / wiki page on Sarala Roy was recently removed due to a citation issue. How can I find that article, fix the citation, and put it back in? Please help, thank you. Chetanroy (talk) 05:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sarala Roy wasn't removed for a "citation issue" it was removed as a copyright violation. We could only restore it if we receive permission from the copyright holder via VRT. Anyone is allowed to write a new version though. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

ARTICLE DELETED[edit]

Hello all. How can I retrieve my deleted draft article? It was marked speed delete. Munyua44 (talk) 06:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)