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Ground Round[edit]

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Minor restaurant chain, the remains of a bigger one--but neither is well-verified or notable by our standards. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Antioch Pizza[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. Entirely primary sources and no independent coverage. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 20:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Inclined to Wikipedia:Draftify instead. It's fairly new, and a quick search turned up articles from the Chicago Tribune, among others (new to this, unsure if external links are allowed here). I think this could be notable, just needs a little more time in the oven. TJS808 (talk) 21:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Delete The Tribune article is the only source of good GNG to satisfy WP:NCORP, the Milwaukee Business Times is unknown in its reliability as a source (though willing to change if proven). Besides if there are more sources published, Wiki is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL; this article can be recreated. Conyo14 (talk) 22:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dillanos Coffee Roasters[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP with no independent coverage. Sources are promotional interviews, press releases, and a non-notable award. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 20:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marco Borges[edit]

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This does not appear to be any sort of notable person; the article is just an advertisement for his book and/or company. The article was created by a sockpuppet, which is not promising – in the sockpuppet investigation, Spicy said "fairly obvious UPEs" i.e. undisclosed paid editing, like this thing. Any media coverage discovered in WP:BEFORE is stuff like "I ate like Beyonce & lost 16 pounds in 3 weeks" that mentions this guy in passing. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Borges does not inherit notability just because he has worked with notable people. We would need to see reliable sources give significant coverage of Borges himself. The sources I saw were either obviously unreliable or only mentioned Borges in passing when discussing Beyonce. – Teratix ₵ 03:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dessert pizza[edit]

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Not a common misnomer for either of the pages it links to. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. I get over a million ghits for "dessert pizza", [1] (your results may vary) so it's a common name for something. There's room for expansion but this is at least a start, and will get readers to what little information we do have. Help expanding to an article, or adding articles perhaps on choc chip pizza, apple dessert pizza or raspberry dessert pizza welcome. Alternatively I can reformat it as a stub, but a DAB seemed more appropriate at this stage as we do have information which might otherwise be missed. Andrewa (talk) 08:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Andrewa. Hyperbolick (talk) 08:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Andrewa. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Pizza after creating a section there for sweet pizzas. There is no mention on that page of "chocolate" or "fruit", as yet, not even a "See also". There should be a section on sweet/dessert pizzas (however sacrilegious they may be considered) in that main Pizza article. PamD 12:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Pizza per PamD. "Dessert pizza" is a wildly diverse concept where you can get creative with your favorite dessert and favorite pizza style, not something you can really have a cohesive article on – the links above are just food bloggers' recipes, not reliable sources that discuss the topic as a whole and could be used here. I like how there's a whole section at Fruit_pizza#Controversy saying that the only resemblance it has to pizza is the round shape (recipes there being more of a topped Cookie cake). Alternatively, Chocolate pizza could be moved and formatted to cover multiple dessert-type toppings, but I don't think there should be a third article in this space just because you can make an apple pie or raspberry pie on a pizza crust instead of a pie crust (the recipes above would fit into these extant pages anyway!). Reywas92^Talk 15:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per above. I'm hesitant to say the article could be kept as it is simply a navigational page for two types of dessert pizza. Instead, the section in Pizza I think satisfies this quite well. Conyo14 (talk) 22:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Waxi's[edit]

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Notability. Single ref makes no mention of this being a chain. TheLongTone (talk) 14:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete GNews search confirms that it is not a chain yet as this is the first ever branch. The only hits were news blurbs that it opened last 24 April 2024. --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Ewing[edit]

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Promotional article fails WP:BIO. No content worth merging. Schierbecker (talk) 07:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with The Urge: I don't see extensive coverage outside the band. For all this is, the paragraph can be incorporated into the band's article. Oaktree b (talk) 12:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to The Urge - I am familiar with this singer and he has done nothing independently notable outside his main band. The fact that he owns a restaurant and will be the subject of a film can be mentioned at the band's article, and that's about it. Otherwise this article is clearly a promotional attempt. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kiolbassa Sausage[edit]

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No evidence of notability. One source was added in response to my PROD, but both it's reliablilty and the independence of its content are dubious. Previously deleted and salted as Kiolbassa * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I'm landing on a weak Keep. I've added a bit, checked the refs, searched for more; there's a biz journals article that looks like it might be sigcov that I can't get to, added that into a Further reading section in case someone else can. It's got two instance of coverage by Forbes former staff, which is a bit hard to assess, and obviously it would be better if it were two different non-local sources. Lots of local coverage, and coverage in an industry mag. I guess what puts me kind of over the top toward keep is the fact it's been in business independently for 75 years, which for a food business of this type is practically a claim to notability all by itself. Valereee (talk) 21:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Valereee the San Antonio Business Journal article is sub-titled "Kiolbassa CEO talks growth opportunities, company culture and legacy" and is largely what they say about themselves. S0091 (talk) 19:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah, I saw that subtitle, but headlines can be so misleading, thanks for clarifying. It's a cusp article, I'd say. 1949 and still a family business, and of this size...that's unusual. I dunno. I will, however, definitely be having my husband look for it next time he's at the grocery. :D Valereee (talk) 21:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Station (Florida)[edit]

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Cannot locate any in-depth, significant coverage to demonstrate that this nightclub passes WP:GNG. Some passing mentions, but that's all I can locate. -- Mike 🗩 19:03, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP it's a good article. Evangp (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Evangp (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. Richard3120 (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC) Note to closing admin Richard3120 is a person that wants to delete this article. Evangp (talk) 00:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any policy-based arguments for keeping? 'It's a good article' is a textbook example of an argument to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:LIKE). -- Mike 🗩 17:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no, that is plenty sufficient as a basis to keep this article. Evangp (talk) 00:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP it's a good article. Evangp (talk) 00:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Duplicate vote stricken. -- Mike 🗩 20:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: fails WP:GNG, WP:ORGCRIT and WP:ORGDEPTH. The only thing that can be verfied is that this was a venue in Fern Park, Florida – everything else is original research by the article creator. Setlist.fm fails WP:USERG and is not a reliable source, and for some reason a picture of a T-shirt with the venue's logo is considered evidence of notability. That leaves two very brief passing mentions in the local newspaper, which tell you nothing about the venue. Richard3120 (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beatbox Kitchen[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. See table below. GMH Melbourne (talk) 01:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjgg9x/raph-rashid-connects-cooking-with-home-studios	Lengthy discussion of Rashid before interview begins		coverage is of Rashid, not the restaurant	✘ No
https://www.broadsheet.com.au/melbourne/food-and-drink/article/beatbox-kitchen-opens-brunswick	? Unclear whether Broadsheet contains sponsored content	? Unclear		? Unknown
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/food-trucks-ready-to-burn-rubber-to-your-nearest-park-20200925-p55zcj.html			Bare mention of the restaurant, article is about COVID	✘ No
https://www.broadsheet.com.au/melbourne/food-and-drink/article/food-truck-fitzroy-beatbox-kitchen-opens-second-shop	? Unsure whether Broadsheet contains sponsored content	? Unclear		? Unknown
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/melbourne/beatbox-kitchens-raph-rashid-makes-the-ultimate-aussie-burger/news-story/554135474e0b453ae601670b470d46c9	? Tabloid	~	Bare mention of the restaurant	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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• Question Hey, GMH Melbourne, I'm not as familiar with AUS sources as you probably are, but to me those don't all look like simple straight interviews. Many sources will speak to a representative when covering any sort of business, and quoting those representatives doesn't turn a story into an interview. I feel like multiple of them are actually talking about the business in their own voices more than they're quoting the representatives. Can you elaborate on why you feel each of these doesn't represent independent coverage? Are these sources known for sponsored content?

For me the Vice piece probably fails to support notability of the restaurant more because its four long paragraphs before the interview portion are about the proprietor rather than about the restaurant. I would actually tend to accept that source as support for notability for the proprietor. Valereee (talk) 14:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the table, the other sources are not just interviews, but also promo pieces or very promotional. A promo piece definitely would not count as a RS. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: I understand what you mean. If we take what you have said into account, I'd say that The Age article could count towards GNG. Broadsheet is a food/travel magazine it would be hard to say whether or not they are totally independent of the subject. The Herald Sun article is a total promo piece with a burger created exclusively for heraldsun.com.au which leads me to doubt the independence of the broadsheet articles. - GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meh...I don't see promotionalism of the restaurant in that piece. That's more the herald promoting itself, which all newspapers do to some extent -- a story 'exclusive to the NYT' is not the NYT promoting the subject of their story but the NYT promoting themselves. So a burger created exclusively for the herald is really just the herald saying, "Aren't you glad you're reading the herald, because otherwise you wouldn't get this recipe!" But that said, again the piece is primarily about Rashid and Chang, not about Beatbox. So again I'd say not sigcov of this article subject.

The Broadsheet articles are about the restaurant. I generally like to see different sources, but these are at least written by different people at the Broadsheet. But that's still local coverage. The Age is probably not significant coverage, it's a bare mention of BeatBox in a story about food trucks during COVID. And the Vice is not about the restaurant.

I think on balance I'm landing on Delete. Valereee (talk) 12:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I found this Vice article which is no doubt independent, sigcov, and has depth:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjgg9x/raph-rashid-connects-cooking-with-home-studios

This coverage of it shutting down which nevertheless is a secondary source that provides critical commentary of its life:

https://www.smh.com.au/goodfood/eating-out/beatbox-kitchens-brunswick-burger-shop-is-closing-down-20210715-h1x5me.html

This, combined with the dubious but in my opinion passable Broadsheet coverage meets WP:THREE and WP:GNG. BrigadierG (talk) 01:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say the vice article is total independent, the vast majority of it is an interview with the owner, and even then I would say that it is based more on the owner rather than Beatbox Kitchen itself. GMH Melbourne (talk) 09:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That Vice piece is already in the article, and as GMH says, it's not about the subject. It's about the owner. Valereee (talk) 10:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete but consider a new BLP article on Raph Rashid, for which the Vice article would be one principle source (two more would be necessary). The Vice article is in the source assessment table, which makes the point that the article is about Rashid and not about Beatbox Kitchen. We don't seem to have a BLP article on Raph Rashid, but that might be what is notable, not the burger truck. The article on the closing down must be approached with more caution. It is a discursive primary source inasmuch as it is reporting the closure. Discursive because it provides some background. The background is relevant, the occasion for the source is not, being primary. See WP:SIRS. Nothing here meets WP:CORPDEPTH and this fails WP:NCORP, but again, we have one good source for a BLP. If the BLP existed, redirect would be reasonable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the chain fails sigcov but the owner could have an article on themselve. X (talk) 04:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beetroot cake[edit]

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Non-notable cake that does not pass WP:GNG, references consist of recipes and trivial mentions. WP:BEFORE check yielded no sources that show WP:SIGCOV. BaduFerreira (talk) 04:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect and Merge to Beetroot, where several recipes are mentioned; agree with nom it's not really notable in itself. This one can be added at Beetroot as it's reliably cited. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, as there seems to be enough sources available, particularly if the scope is broadened slightly to include the use of beetroot as a supplement to other baked products (for reasons of extending the shelf-life, for example). Klbrain (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to the relevant page. The article doesn't sit well alone, so redirecting is probably best. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 16:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep. I stumbled across two sources today that discuss this cake as a style of chocolate cake, and it made me remember there are multiple terms in English, depending on what variety of Englis -- beetroot vs. beet, for instance -- which complicates things when searching for information. And there may be some history around Red velvet cake. I'm waffling a bit, but right now I'm thinking rather than redirect to beetroot (or to chocolate cake), we can keep. Valereee (talk) 19:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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