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01 September 2011[edit]
Suspected sockpuppets

The subject is a disruptive Pakistani nationalist and a POV-warrior who was recently blocked for 3RR while edit-warring on Faisal Shahzad page.

  • Drspaz: it is not disputed territory. Only Afghanistan doesn't accept it, though that does not make it "disputed" officially [1]
  • Mar4d: The Durand Line is NOT disputd territory. It is the international border between the two countries on all world maps. Afghanistan overlooks it due to historical complexities. There is nothing in the source; also why would u remove the Pashtun info [2]
  • Drspaz: Revert nationalistic edits, unexplained changing of flag orders, incorrect info; Taliban were recognised by three, not forty countries. Also, Afghanistan "ignores' the Durand Line. keep all cross border incursions as they are controversial [3]
  • Other evidence:[4], [5] Mirwais Hotak (talk) 22:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Further evidence: His POV and English matches to me.

  • The user page of Mar4d states: I am a dual citizen (passport holder) of Australia and New Zealand, having lived in both countries, while my background is Pakistani. [6]

I think we can establish at this point that Drspaz is a sock of Mar4d without me needing to provide more evidence. Also, I suspect that banned User:Teckgeek (a.k.a. User:Strider11) is involved here.

This is not a content dispute. He is using socks to disrupt Wikipedia. For example, he is purposely falsifying sourced information on the Durand Line article. Out of no where 1 Pakistani nationalist comes and removes the sourced word "disputed" [8] then right away another Pakistani nationalist does the same thing. [9].--Mirwais Hotak (talk) 01:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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  • I came to this page after going through Mirwais Hotak's contributions. I am disappointed and feel back-bited for not being notified of this discussion. Before any clerk comes along and does any endorsing, I would like to make it clear that User:Drspaz is my alternative account and that I created this account to use on public computers and that I frequently use this account. The accusation of sock puppetry that Mirwais Hotak has made on me has no standing because 1) Having more than one account is perfectly legal. 2) I have not abused any editing privileges. I can edit the Durand Line and the Afghanistan-Pakistan relations articles as many times from either account - I fail to see how this constitutes sock-puppety because I am not evading any restrictions. There is currently a content dispute that I have been engaged in with this user over some of the information he is modifying and which constitutes WP:POV. Will reply more on this issue later. Mar4d (talk) 02:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, I'm not buying it. You've had Drspaz since early June 2011. You're supposed to mark your accounts as being owned by you, and in three months you never took any steps to declare them as such. But even besides that, you're clearly using the accounts for less than legitimate purposes. For example, at 5:40 Drspaz makes this edit. Five minutes later you make this one. Am I really supposed to believe that in those five minutes you were suddenly on a public connection? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Please point out where I have said that I only use this account in a public connection. I said I made this account so that I could use it on public computers although that does not restrict me on using it at home if I want to. In fact I think I made nearly all of my 1000+ edits from this alternative account from home. I agree that I should have marked the account as being an alternative, as such although I did not know that the need would arise. The 'five minute' difference you are quoting was unintentional and purely a case of logging-in, logging-out at one location. Mar4d (talk) 02:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It seems that User:Mirwais Hotak is a sockpuppet of the banned User:AlimNaz (aka User:Lagoo sab) whom I have already had similiar edit conflicts with. I had already expressed my concerns about this user a month ago. Clearly, this user is out to disrupt Wikipedia and the current content dispute is no exception. Mar4d (talk) 10:57, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

I don't see any compelling evidence. Looks to me more of a way to handle a content dispute. If there is no further evidence to be presented, I will mark this case closed. Elockid (Talk) 22:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Actually, I have a feeling something strange is going on here. There may be some behavioral evidence to link the two (Elockid, I'll email you), so I'm endorsing to see. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 01:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Given that Mar4d has admitted a connection, I see no grounds to checkuser this. If there's some reason to still run this, please forward your evidence to a CU. For now, I'm marking this as declined. Courcelles 11:59, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Administrator note I'm not 100% convinced that the sock is a legitimate alternate account, but I suppose I'll let it go for now. I've updated the user page for the sock to reflect its status per the rules at WP:SOCK#NOTIFY. Just because this case was opened by a now-blocked sock doesn't change the fact that there were less than savory things going on here. Relist if necessary, I suppose. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 22:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

22 November 2015[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets

This was introduced at ANI so I am creating an SPI. Both accounts were created within one week of each other. Mar4d has nearly 60k edits; Lyk4 has only ~900. Yet though Lyk4 has so few edits, they have edited 269 of the same articles, including 33 categories and 15 templates.[10] Both have edited many of the same pages related to Pakistan/India as well as some more obscure pages and templates, including:

  • They made the same edit on a location map template [11] [12] due to an edit war with the same editor who wanted a different version of the image used
  • They both edited The Sheffield Private School, a school in Dubai, that has had barely 25 edits in its history.[13] According to Mar4d's profile, he is an Australian/New Zealander with Pakistani heritage,[14] so this is a spectacular coincidence.
  • Mar4d created page Australians in Pakistan; Lyk4 has a scratch article "Australians in Pakistan" [15] which is just a bunch of links
  • Lyk4 edited a draft in Mar4d's userspace, Europeans in Pakistan, though it does not appear they have EVER communicated on wiki.[16]. While Mar4d claims he frequently collaborates with other users and they have edited his articles, please note it came after invitations like this.[17] It would be extremely bizarre for another editor to spontaneously contribute to a draft and yet there is no record of an invitation to do so, or a "thank you" for doing so etc.
  • Lyk4 edited United States Military Academy to add link to Pakistani equivalent. Within half an hour Mar4d edits it to fix hyphen to mdash, another spectacular coincidence given that Mar4d had not edited USMA before so it was presumably not on his watch list [18]
  • Lyk4 made this addition to Template:Chinese cuisine: [19] that was apparently removed inadvertently by two warring IPs in the following weeks. Mar4d then added the same edit back [20]
  • They both edited the Italian diaspora template [21], [22]
  • Identical edit to India portal [23], [24]
  • They are the only ones who have edited several obscure categories like Category:Pakistani ceramists and Category:Pakistani potters [25]
  • Mar4d created Khalid Anwer. Half an hour later, he moved it to his userspace and then immediately asked for it to be deleted [26]. Three hours later, Lyk4 recreated the same page in mainspace, with essentially the same text, with edit summary "Fresh start" [27]
  • Though Lyk4 has relatively few edits, he does advanced things such as editing image maps, templates, and even sorting Articles for Deletion! [28]
  • Mar4d has an alternate account Drspaz with ~1,600 edits. Lyk4 has edited 22 articles in common with Drspaz, including articles with very few editors such as Khuda Kay Liye (soundtrack), Talk:Gun politics in Pakistan (consecutive Lyk4-Drspaz-Mar4d edits) and stubs like Port Grand. All three have worked on relatively obscure articles like Ismail and Junaid.
  • This could be an alternate account; however, per previous SPI, Mar4d knows he must declare an alternate account, and Mar4d denies at ANI this is an alternate account.[29] Sockpuppet abuse is apparent as both accounts attempted to influence consensus in the same AfDs:

Comments by other users[edit]

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Comments by Mar4d
  • Since this was put up on ANI, I've pasted my comments from there regarding this, verbatim (for reference) below:

"First, I'm not sure why ANI was chosen for this mudslinging Wikifest. From the above, it is obvious some involved user(s) have vested interests behind it. Second, I still don't understand where the user established the (supposed) connection or what link, as he mentions, I have to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/LogAntiLog. Having said that, I do edit a lot of articles and categories and there's bound to be cross-overs, especially with thousands of users in the same topic area, or those who I follow or interact with (or even just stalkers). There are Wiki collaborations, and I do tend to help out users in creating articles, templates etc. Just saying, intersection tool is a pretty lame excuse. Examples: Shyamsunder, Smsarmad, TopGun, Faizan (I was called a 'sock' of these users too btw). Thirdly, I didn't edit the Fijian and Kannadian Wikipedias, they are cross-wiki import transclusions as per @Future Perfect at Sunrise: (again, relevance?). Another thing, I don't see why my user page being edited by someone else is odd since I have users editing my userpages all the time (barnstars, vandalism, talk page stalkers, copying stuff etc.). Here's one. This draft was moved from my userspace to mainspace by some unknown editor without me even being asked. I don't have a problem with users making edits or changes to my subpages if they are helpful or constructive. Lastly, I have some serious reservations as to how a new editor who I don't know, with less than 3 months of record (and two meaningless alt. accounts) knows about SPIs or for that matter, using tools like Twinkle in their first edits. For the record, my talk page has been under attack by trolls and socks of one editor and I've been getting spam emails. There was a blocked sock who put up this flimsy SPI linking me and TopGun. I am pretty sure where this is heading and whoever this user is, they'll be found out. Mar4d (talk) 13:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Some data from previous SPI accusations is present in this page's archives, as well as on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TopGun/Archive. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 13:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please respond to the evidence I posted above and not the confusing/distracting response based on the ANI. I have no vested interest in your editing and have clearly been around more than three months, so a boomerang makes no sense. If you have evidence of another sockpuppet, please compile it and open your own SPI. Additionally I pointed out a user editing a draft in your userspace, not your talk page. —МандичкаYO 😜 13:19, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikimandia: Please draft your responses in your section allocated above, for consistency. I am not answerable for others' actions, and I am most definitely not answerable to you. As I have already stated above, it is common for users who I collaborate with or those who stalk me, to edit my user page (barnstars etc.) or sub-pages (where did I mention my talk page?), like this, this and more. I don't control that. A "user editing a draft" in my userspace is not "evidence", you obviously have no idea what an SPI is. Mar4d (talk) 13:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he contributed to that draft AFTER you invited him to do so. [30] —МандичкаYO 😜 13:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikimandia: Also, I was not referring to you in that "vested interests" comment. So please retract whatever meaning you took from it. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I will not retract it because you said "above" and I am the only person posting above. So you fix it. —МандичкаYO 😜 13:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikimandia: Then maybe you need to learn to read before writing. I made it clear already that I copy-pasted that comment from ANI verbatim. At ANI, I was referring to the person who filed the thread and I have my own reasons as to why that user is not acting in good faith. I was not referring to you. So whether you want to retract or not, it doesn't matter, since I have already said who I was referring to. Mar4d (talk) 14:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikimandia (talk · contribs) says: It would be extremely bizarre for another editor to spontaneously contribute to a draft and yet there is no record of an invitation to do so. Well apparently, it is not so bizarre after all. Like I said, I'm only answerable for things I do, not other peoples' edits. Since Wikimandia has decided to take that responsibility, while they are at it, maybe you should also do some digging in and explain the following edits made by other users on my subpages (and explain how it's all my fault obviously): [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40], [41]. Blaming me for other people editing my userpages? Really Wikimandia? Mar4d (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Those are not spontaneous as you asked for help.... [42], [43] .... —МандичкаYO 😜 15:18, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • That still doesn't answer it. What about the others? Mar4d (talk) 15:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • I didn't look at all of them after the first two I checked both proved my earlier point. —МандичкаYO 😜 15:41, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Wikimandia: I just checked your links, you're wrong. They are not the "first two". And the user who edited those subpages is different from the ones' whose talk pages you linked. They don't match. So now you are making things up. Mar4d (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lyk edited many pages in common with me and vice versa. There are only a handful of editors who ever actively edit Pakistani articles. I can list most of them on my fingertips, and I follow them to many places (I edit all sorts of articles) often for collaborative editing or just small helpful changes. That account is stale. If you list almost any Pakistani editor on Wiki, you'll find common edits with mine. There used to be a WikiProject Pakistan watchlist on Toolserver which used to show recent changes to articles and allow people to track recent edits (don't think it works anymore) [44]. Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan/New articles lists the most recent articles created in WikiProject Pakistan. Using interaction analyser tool to frame a conclusion is weak grounds since
  • 1) I have overlaps with all editors in the same topic area
  • 2) That includes 1,134 articles (including over 200 categories) in common with Shyamsunder (I don't think we've ever interacted), 1,852 articles in common with Smsarmad, nearly 800 articles in common with TopGun, and 1,200 articles in common with Faizan (I was falsely called a sock of all these users before). I've edited Wiki for years and have amassed over 60,000 edits, more than most people on the project. Yes, Drspaz is a stale office account. I've nothing to hide. Mar4d (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They have a high edit count. Lyk4 has low edit count. Matched pages also includes templates and categories, Portal sub pages. And all of the matched articles don't belong to the same topic.The Avengers (talk) 15:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others[edit]

  • This is incomplete permalink of ANI discussion related to this. Despite various similarities between 2 accounts, this comment by Future Perfect at Sunrise is the most helpful and deciding which is backed by other evidences mentioned above like both accounts created in April 2010 with "4" in username. I think Mar4d should have accepted it in good faith and with big heart but instead he is accusing other editors, this will make his case even worst. --Human3015TALK  13:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Lyk4 and Mar4d has the number 4 in their username. Lyk4 (created on 9 April 2010) and Mar4d (Created on 16 April 2010).The Avengers (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

17 January 2016[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets
  • Mar4d stated he is a Pakistani Australian [47], the above IPs are assigned to Telstra Internet in Australia. [48] Mar4d and the IPs edited Template:Asian Americans by adding Pakistanis and removing Afghans. [49] Mar4d on Afghan Americans [50] and Australian IP 110.148.142.193 [51].
  • Saqib is very likely the undetected sleeper of Mar4d. Exactly the same way like Mar4d's confirmed sock [52], he is creating short articles about low-level Pakistani politicians citing nothing but Pakistani news sources. [53] [54] Mar4d created articles with the same concept. [55]
  • Mar4d added a mockery to Afghan President on August 5 [56], after I removed it Saqib quickly readded the same mockery. [57]
  • Saladin1987 is very likely another undeteced sock of Mar4d who purposesly uses broken English to throw off suspicion. For a long time he had been removing Afghan related cats and references from articles. [58] [59] He often appeared in the same discussion with Mar4d, posing as two different people which Mar4d is now known for, and posted links, e.g., book.google.com.au. [60] That indicates the person is based in Australia, i.e., using a google search assigned to a PC located in Australia. That Australian based IP behaves very much like Saladin here. Just like Mar4d, he edits nothing but Pakistani related pages and adds/removes cats. Remember that majority editors do not even bother with cats. Krzyhorse22 (talk) 01:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • I've declined the CU request. The evidence against the named accounts is thin. There is bad blood between the filer and Saladin1987 given previous SPIs. I have no comment about the IPs.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing the case. Lack of evidence. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

14 October 2016[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


In July, Bbb23 gave Mar4d / Acejet a second chance HERE to stop sockpuppetting. Yet there is evidence he violated the conditions of that second chance, by not disclosing all accounts.

  • User:Mar4d, User:Lyk4 and User:Sardr8 were blocked as Acejet socks. Rana A.R matches their behaviour in deleting the user page before becoming inactive. See the similarity,

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Rana%20A.R

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Acejet

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Lyk4

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Sardr8

  • Only User:Acejet and User:Rana A.R are the lone participants in this WikiProject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pakistani_biota

  • Only Mar4d and Rana A.R has edited the Category:Sherpao family

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Sherpao_family&action=history

  • Only Mar4d and Rana A.R has edited Category:Sindhologists. SporkBot is not an editor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Sindhologists&action=history

  • User:Acejet has only 862 edits in English Wikipedia. User:Rana A.R has only 253 edits in English Wikipedia. But they overlap in many many Wikiprojects. This is very unusual for editors with few edits.

https://tools.wmflabs.org/intersect-contribs/index.php?project=enwiki&namespaceFilter=all&users%5B%5D=Acejet&users%5B%5D=Rana+A.R&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&sort=0

  • Mar4d and Rana A.R overlaps in many obscure categories and WikiProjects. This is suspicious as Rana A.R has only 253 edits.

https://tools.wmflabs.org/intersect-contribs/index.php?project=enwiki&namespaceFilter=all&users%5B%5D=Mar4d&users%5B%5D=Rana+A.R&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&users%5B%5D=&sort=0

  • The account was misused in this AFD

https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/timeline.py?users=Mar4d&users=Rana+A.R&users=Acejet&server=enwiki&page=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FPakistani_Chinese_cuisine VictoriaGraysonTalk 19:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • CU declined as Rana_A.R is  Stale, old, you name it. Frankly, this filing wasn't worth the time it took the filer to compile it. If no one else acts on it or closes it soon, I will close it.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing with no action.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

07 February 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

I randomly came across the above suspected WP:SOCKs and WP:MEATs. All these accounts and past complaints filed against this SOCK are new to me, I do not know them before, I have no connection with their past issues. These SOCKs and MEATs all seems to be Pakistani origin, who driven by patriotic zeal created sock puppets and/or recruited meat puppets to have the article deleted while discussion was still ongoing. Acejet has a long history of sock puppets, see this Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Acejet/Archive. He seems to be getting away, perhaps previous check users failed to factor in all his activities and pattern in holistic manner, in some cases he was lucky to get away due to stale account etc (inability of check user to check it), perhaps another reason he got was way that at that time links to all these SOCS and MEATs might have not been known. The archive shows he has multiple SOCKs and MEATs. This Pakistani-origin editor who claims to be dual citizen of Australia and New Zealand has history of creating multiple accounts, he then violates wikipedia policies by not announcing/tagging those accounts as his alternate accounts and misuses those for gaming the system. He was previously banned but given a chance. After he was caught and cornered, he admitted here this habit of creating several accounts. It is very unusual to have history of creating such large number of user accounts by a single person, people do it only to play games and create problems. He keeps getting away repeatedly because no one took a holistic view of his full bad track record.

In this new incidence, I came across this gang here at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation_Ababeel. They created more new SOCKs and MEATs, all of which meats are speaking in same tune e.g. denying the reliable sources (RS) as valid, selectively interpreting RS, then using multiple SOCK or MEAT accounts to quickly take their target article to deletion. As an IP, I edit occasionally. I came back to check the discussion and article was deleted. I realised how these people have been gaming the system and gang of SOCK+MEATS specially emboldened that they are dealing with an IP (myself). Notice in the past elsewhere too he used similar SOCK accounts play similar games for AfDs through his LYK4 account, see the comment user "NebY" here which says Concerning "both accounts voted in the same AfDs the same way", Lyk4 contributed briefly to... and so on. He is using the same trick (SOCK and MEAT) and same scenario (to get the articles deleted by manipulated AfD process) which he has used in the past.

This person/gang was previously BANNED here, but was given a chance, and unfortunately continues to play the same game. In the links I provided above, he has admitted or been confirmed by checkusers previously that these are his accounts: Acejet, Mar4d, Drspaz, Sardr8, Eccentris, Lyk4, Emirati Icon. Please investigate in holistic view, i.e. take into consideration all past cases and all past socks, and then PERMANENTLY BAN all his SOCK and MEAT accounts. Specially check how Jushyosaha604, Ngrewal1, Mztourist, Rana_A.R, HamDar4d are linked toSOCK user accounts Acejet and Mar4d. Despite given a second chance, this has already gone on far too long for too many years, hence deserves no more chances. Just permanently ban all accounts please. Thanks. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 10:51, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • Bullshit - a rehash of old unfounded cases against editors who have been cleared before, editors and IPs who have not edited in years and years, and even a report against an editor who was renamed in the SUL unification in 2015. This stinks of another attempt by Lagoo sab to smear good editors. Boomeranging the filing IP for 1mo. Closing Cabayi (talk) 12:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Acejet/Archive

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