Tirgil34

Shortcut: WP:Tirgil34
Original name(s)	User:Tirgil34
Wikilifespan	At least 2011 –
ISP	Unitymedia (probable home ISP) Deutsche Telekom Telefónica Germany Vodafone Turkey? Vodafone Germany?
Physical location	Germany (Mainly North Rhine-Westphalia, but including other German locations: Berlin, Bielefeld, Cologne, Detmold, Duisburg, Haina, Mettmann, Munich, Nuremberg) Turkey (Istanbul)? also using several Proxy-IPs
Instructions	Add targeted articles to watchlist; Semiprotect any page he touches to prevent follow-up disruption; Subsequently update this LTA.
Status	Active

Please report all ongoing incidents of abuse to AIV or ANI.

Tirgil34 (talk · contribs · block log · arb · SPI ^confirmed _suspected)
Comprehensive edits analysis
Tirgil34 is a user who has been active on Wikipedia since at least December 2011. He was indefinitely blocked on 5 September 2012, but has continued his disruptive editing on Wikipedia through more than a hundred socks ever since.

Targeted areas, pages, themes

Persistent spreading of fringe theories about Central Asian history, Indo-European culture, Turkic peoples and related subjects, which is done through tendentious misreprentation of sources, personal attacks, edit warring and sockpuppetry. Primary topics of focus are racial theories, genetics and linguistics, especially etymology. His primary agenda is to push a Turkic origin of various ancient cultures and peoples. He also appears to have an interest in Jews/Israel/Zionism, of which he seems to be critical. He has also been pushing the same agenda on Wikipedia's in other languages and Wiktionary and Commons. Articles targeted (often including talk pages) include:

Arguments promoted by Tirgil34 on these articles and others include:

• Claiming that various Iranian peoples, especially Scythians/Saka were instead of Turkic origin.[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
• Claiming that various Indo-European cultures of Central Asia, like the Yamna culture, the Afanasevo culture, the Andronovo culture and the Karasuk culture, were of Turkic origin.[9] [10] [11] [12]
• Promoting the theory that the Basque language and Turkic languages are related.[13] [14]
• Suggesting that the Botai culture was of Turkic origin.[15] [16]
• Rejecting the Indo-Iranian identity of the Sintashta culture.[17] [18]
• Rejecting the Kurgan hypothesis and the Indo-European identity of the Kurgan culture.[19] [20] [21] [22] [23]
• Presenting ancient Turkic peoples as "Turanid", blond blue eyed, and "Europoid-Mongoloid".[24] [25]
• Presenting various cultures of Central Asia as having been characterized by Altaic/Turkic "idioms".[26] [27]
• Suggesting that the Issyk inscription was made in a Turkic language.[28] [29]
• Denying the possible Iranian origins of the Ashina Türks.[30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36]
• Denying the historical presence of Iranian nomads in Uzbekistan.[37] [38] [39] [40] [41]
• Claiming that the Wusun of antiquity were a Turkic people, and that they are identical to the modern Kazakh sub-tribe Uysyn.[42]
• Claiming a link between the Subartu [43] [44] [45] the Sabirs [46] and the Suars.[47]
• Insinuating a link between the Tungri,[48] the Turcilingi [49], Turukkaeans and Tauri [50] with Turkic peoples.
• Promoting the Xionites and Hephtalites as Turkic peoples.[51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56]
• Promoting the Yuezhi and Kushans as Turkic.[57] [58] [59]
• Promoting the Kangju of antiquity as a Turkic people,[60] and promoting a link between them and the modern Kangly.[61]
• Adding unsourced fringe material to Tengrism,[62] [63] then edit-warring through IP socks (see here) with established users to prevent it from being removed.[64]
• Claiming the Dingling as a Turkic people.[65]
• Presenting the Proto-Turkic language as having originated in Central Asia.[66]
• Suggesting ancient contacts between Celtic-Germanic and Altaic languages.[67]
• Dating the Proto-Turkic language way back to 4000 BC.[68] [69]
• Presenting the Huns, the Xiongnu and the Hunnic language as Turkic.[70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] [78] [79] [80] [81]
• Presenting the Old Turkic alphabet as having developed independently in the 1st millennium BC.[82] [83]
• Presenting Haplogroup R-M420 as having originated in Central Asia,[84] and associating it's subclade Haplogroup R-M17 with the Turkic expansion.[85]
• Presenting the Altaic languages and Nostratic languages hypotheses as valid,[86] [87] [88] regurarly using the Etymological Dictionary of Altaic Languages to promote "Altaic" etymologies of various words.[89] [90] [91] [92] [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98]
• Removing critical discussion of Pan-Turkism.[99]
• Rejecting[100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106] [107] an Iranian origin of the name of the Ossetian Nart saga, instead pushing a Mongolian origin.[108] [109] [110] [111] [112] [113] [114] [115] Also strawsocking with is own IP to through removing this view.[116]
• Claiming that the Kushan dynasty was of Turkic origin.[117] [118] [119] [120]
• Promoting the fringe view that the Alans are ancestral to the Balkars and Karachays and not the Ossetians [121] [122] [123]
• Suggesting a link between the Turukkaean chieftain Tabitu and the Scythian deity Tabiti.[124]
• Adding "Genetic composition" to Altai people [125] and Pazyryk culture [126] in favour of genetic continuity between the former and the latter, and insinuating that the Pazyryk people were Turkic.[127]
• Presenting various historical race concepts as valid, detailing the geographic distribution of various "races", especially the Turanid race.[128] [129] [130] [131]
• Promoting the unreliable book In Search of the Lost Tribe by a certain Osman Karatay.[132] [133] [134] [135]
• Promoting the fringe genetic studies by Anatole Klyosov.[136] [137] [138] [139] [140]
• Suggesting that the Avesta is of "Altaic" origin.[141]
• Adding dubious genetic maps created by himself.[142] [143][144]
• Denying the association of Haplogroup R1a with Indo-European migrations,[145] [146] instead highlighting its supposed Turkish origins and prevalence among Turkic peoples.[147] [148] [149] [150]
• Highlighting prevalence of Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA) among various Turkic peoples,[151] [152] [153] and presenting Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA) as a "Turkic" haplogroup originating in Central Asia.[154] [155]
• Insinuating genetic links between Turkic peoples and Native Americans.[156] [157] [158] [159] [160] [161]
• Highlighting prevalence of Haplogroup P-M45 among various Turkic peoples, and presenting it as a "Turkic" haplogroup originating in Central Asia.[162]
• Inserting inaccurate information on Tur (mythology) and other articles related to Indo-Iranian mythology.[163]
• Various often discrediting edits to articles related to Jews/Judaism/Zionism/Israel, as examplified in the editing history of Tirgil34 socks Daru Dakitu, Tehiptilla Vanand and Lamedumal
• Rejecting connections between "steppe ancestry" and Western Steppe Herders.[164]
• Promoting the idea that the people of the Mal'ta–Buret' culture were "Mongoloid".[165][166]
• Presenting Turanism as a scientific ideology.[167]
• Promoting the fringe Paleolithic Continuity Theory of Mario Alinei.[168] [169] [170] [171] [172] [173] [174]
• Promoting the works of Pseudo-Turkologists such as Mirfatyh Zakiev.[175]
• Rejecting theories supposing that early Turkic peoples were East Asians originating somewhere in Mongolia and northern China.[176][177][178]
• Rejecting theories supposing that certain Turkic peoples of Central Asia are Turkified Indo-Iranians.[179]
• Promoting the Anatolian hypothesis and the Armenian hypothesis for the Proto-Indo-European homeland.[180]

Habitual behavior/Modus operandi

• Persistent edit-warring through dynamic IPs, usually his own German and Turkish IPs and open proxies
• Sock tricks: e.g. making his desired change through one IP, then reverting it back or adding vandalism through another strawman IP, hoping that an established user will revert back to his first edit
• Tinkering with the block and sockpuppet tags on the user and talk pages of his own abandoned socks
• Creating and tinkering with galleries on articles related to peoples and places in Central Asia.[181] [182] [183] [184] [185] [186] [187] [188] [189] [190] [191]
• Accusing disagreeing editors of being "crazy" and "anti-Turkic".[192] [193]
• Edit warring with his own socks.[194] [195] [196]
• Having conversations between his own socks.[197] [198] [199] [200] [201] [202] [203]
• Using his own socks to accuse disagreeing users of being socks of his own sockmaster (Tirgil34).[204]
• Inserting quotes to the userpages of his socks.[205] [206] [207] [208] [209]
• Probably creating socks with edits similar to disagreeing users, which he then accuses of belonging to the disagreeing user.[210]
• Denying his own sockpuppetry.[211] [212] [213] [214] [215] [216] [217]
• Ascribing fictitious personalities to his socks with different ethnicities, sexualities, religions and genders. Examples include the "Ossetian" "Eastern Orthodox" sock OssetianRealm,[218] "Eastern Orthodox" sock Kurdale,[219] "Kurdish" sock Mrliebeip,[220] Russian (Kazan) socks irgil34 [221] and Su4kin,[222] German socks Tirgil34,[223] Maikolaser [224] [225] and Greczia,[226] [227] "Hungarian" sock Hárpad,[228] "Azeri" sock Kawakhan,[229] Romanian (?) sock Tehiptilla Vanand,[230] Jewish leftist (?) sock Daru Dakitu,[231] female socks Lamedumal [232] and Tirgil34,[233] male (Jörg Lerens) sock Radosfrester,[234] and the "transsexual" possible sock [235]
• Creating socks with similar usernames. Compare Alpargon with Alpargu, Xantana with Xantana2, and Talgatov with Talgatovthe2nd
• Creating socks for separate purposes i. e. Julbaxsan to promote the Turkicness of the Kangju[236] and Poikdiyma to promote the Turkicness of the Wusun.[237]
• Reverting[238] his own restoration[239] of edits by the sockmaster[240] to hide evidence of his sockpuppetry.
• Strawsocking [241] with is own IP socks to dicredit views opposing his[242] [243] [244] edits.
• Using proxies from all over the world, including Turkey,[245] [246] Netherlands,[247] Canada,[248] New Zealand,[249] and Iran.[250]
• Utilizing IP socks to attack users who expose his vandalism.[251] [252]
• Reactivating sleeper accounts once active accounts have been blocked. See Henephon7 and SibirHusky.
• Marking his etymological edits as "adding etymology".[253] [254] [255] [256] [257] [258] [259] [260] [261] [262] [263] [264] [265]
• Marking his reverts as "undoing source falsification."[266] [267] [268] [269] [270] [271] [272] [273] [274] [275] [276] [277] [278] [279]
• Falsely marking his edits as removing his own content.[280] [281] [282]

List of checkuser-blocked sockpuppets

List of blocked suspected sockpuppets

List of suspected sockpuppets that are not blocked

List of suspected IP socks

Global account information

• Global account information for Tirgil34

Notes on off-wiki behavior

It is recommended to index material added by suspected socks of Tirgil34 through Google or some other search engine in look for clues as per WP:OTHERSITES.

The Apricity

Tirgil34 is the same person as Kipchak Håkan/Kipchak Hakan (now calling himself Proto-Shaman) at the The Apricity, a "racialist" forum. Compare this post by Kipchak Håkan[283] where he cites material uploaded by Tirgil34 sock Agaceri at Huvishka and Kanishka just hours earlier.[284] [285] Also compare this post by TheApricity user SkyEarth about "evil Turco-Mongol women raped Iranic Scythian men and created modern Turkic peoples"[286] with the post by confirmed Tirgil34 sock Bolanile at Talk:Scythian languages.[287] It is likely that Tirgil34/Kipchak Håkan has many "sockpuppets" on the TheApricity and other places. He is probably coordinating his editing activity on Wikipedia with friends from those forums.

Antisemitism and Armenian Genocide denial

At The Apricity, Kipchak Håkan has been promoting more than just Turanist fringe theories. Equipped with a profile picture of Wehrmacht general Heinz Guderian, Kipchak Håkan has promoted antisemitic conspiracy theories,[288] [289] [290] the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory [291] and Armenian Genocide denial,[292] [293] [294] [295] [296] compared Adolf Hitler to Jesus [297] and cited antisemitic articles by Holocaust denier Ron Unz.[298]

Youtube

The Youtube account ✣ Tengri • Spirit of the Steppe ✣ (IdelUralState) belongs to the same person as Tirgil34. Like Tirgil34 the account promotes similar Turanist theories. At the video Central Asian Civilizations – Nomads throughout History (Kazakhstan), the text below refers to content on wiktionary which was added by Tirgil34 sock Hirabutor.[299] Tirgil34's account at TheApricity Kipchak Håkan has posted the exact same material as the youtube account at the forum.[300] The video Sakha folk song - Amazon warriors • "Кönül Sanaa", contains a link to an edit[301] by one of Tirgil's German IP socks[302] [303] which restores content by Tirgil sock Su4kin.[304] Another video, King Arthur's Turkic Knights - The Sarmatians (Remake), contains multiple links to TurkicWorld, and also a link to this image edited by numerous Tirgil socks, including Tirgil sock Nedbud. The very same image is also uploaded[305] at The Apricity by the user Kipchak Hakan.

Tengri • Spirit of the Steppe has been making similar attacks[306][307][308] against Wikipedia editors as socks of Tirgil34 has done at Wikipedia.[309][310]

Fandom

Tirgil34 created and edits a wiki[311] on Fandom/Wikia.

TurkicWorld

Tirgil34/KipchakHåkan seems to be using this pseudoscientific blog-turkicworld.org, run by Norm Kisamov, who owns the Wikipedia account Barefact,[312] as a source of information.[313] [314]

Other

Tirgil34 is also probably the same as Temple of Time at Historum.

The user CagatayKhan at TWCenter.net links to both Wikipedia content added by Tirgil34, forum posts by Kipchak Håkan at TheApricity and Youtube videos by ✣ Tengri • Spirit of the Steppe ✣, and is thus probably also the same person.[315] [316] [317]

Other likely affiliates include the Facebook account History of Turan Nations and the Liveleak account cloverfield25.

Cases

• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34

Details

His personal websites/blogs

• turkicworld.org (main domain)
• s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/
• hunmagyar.org

His accounts on theapricity.com

Username	Posts	Threads	Note
Kipchak Håkan (since changed to Proto-Shaman)	[318]	[319]	Main account
AndarKhan	[320]	[321]
Buusra	[322]	[323]	Could be related to Tirgil34 because they spams same stuff. For example see their edits on WP: Special:Contributions/185.113.8.2 Rants on Turkish WP [324], [325]
Varhun	[326]	[327]

• Sockpuppet category (if any): Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Tirgil34
• Suspected sockpuppet category (if any): Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Tirgil34

As the problem apparently persists, I have now followed a request asking to add the relevant domains to WP:BLACKLIST [328]. --dab (𒁳) 09:03, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]