Lagoo sab

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Original name(s)	User:Lagoo sab
Wikilifespan	At least 2009/2010 -
ISP	Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited
Known IPs	Static and various. 39.41.x.x and 39.47.x.x ranges have extensively been used
Physical location	Pakistan (Islamabad, Rawalpindi, amongst others)
Instructions	Block sock IPs on sight; always check if they are open proxies, though they usually are simply static IP's; semiprotect any page he touches to prevent follow-up disruption. Subsequently update this LTA.
Status	Active

Please report all ongoing incidents of abuse to AIV or ANI.

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sab Comprehensive edits analysis
Lagoo sab is a user who has been active on Wikipedia since at least 2009/2010. He was indefinitely blocked for the first time on his main account (Lagoo sab) on 7 December 2010.[1] Abusing socks and continuous WP:NOTHERE editing started ever since he set foot on Wikipedia. This is thus as early as 2009/2010. It has continued, intermittently, ever since.[2]

Editorial pattern[edit]

Always check the SPI archives for the most precise habits and diffs. Core habits/trademark stuff;

• Knows his way around extremely well, straight off the bat. Within a relatively low amount of edits, Lagoo sab socks know how to report someone at ANI, how to create redirect pages, and/or how to change the title of a page, etc. Or, for example, they know how to report someone in a SPI.
• Labeling everyone who puts a halt to him as a "vandal", "sock", "sockpuppet", "anti-Afghan", "anti-Pashtun", "anti-Muslim", "disruptor", "nationalist", "pro-Pakistani", "Pakistani nationalist", "<insert nationality/ethnicity> nationalist".
• Extremely fond of admin shopping straight off the bat. Asks moderators instantly to block users with whom he has long-standing issues, e.g.;

• Kojakkrags (diff)
• Kryzhorse22 (diff)

• Getting quickly into fights with long-time editors of the Afghanistan-Pakistan topic area, amongst them Mar4d, Smsarmad, Saladin1987, and Saadkhan12345
• Hates Mar4d, SheriffIsInTown and LouisAragon as they put a halt to his agenda. Lagoo sab has attempted on numerous occassions (by using sock accounts and sock IP's)[3]-[4] to get LouisAragon blocked by linking him to LTA Beh-Nam, even though its confirmed that LouisAragon and Beh-Nam are completely unrelated.[5]
• Boasting himself in a ridiculous way, with bogus stuff, for no reason, e.g.;

• Kojakkrags "I remove such stuff cause I'm just a professional writer"
• IP 39.41.71.211 "I'm an expert on Afghanistan (...)"
• Krzyhorse22 "I have a general knowledge about the groups I mentioned and I'm feeding you that info."
• Krzyhorse22 "I happen to be a lawyer in real life who charge $350-$400 per hour. I do mostly civil cases, I'm one of the best."
• IP 39.41.71.211 "You probably just began using the internet recently. I've been using computer since 1985 and the internet since the mid 19990s."

• Downplaying Pakistani Pashtuns, but having an obvious pro-Afghan Pashtun stance (i.e. telling that the former are less important);

• Mohd Rfus "no other source mentions pakistan first let's respect afghanistan as a dominant pashtun country, pashtuns in pakistan are a MINORITY group"
• Kryzhorse22 "Wake up stop living in delusion, Pakistani Pashtuns are uncomparable with Afghan Pashtuns. Entire Afghanistan is ruled by Pashtuns, they naturally deserve all the respect. Entire Afghanistan is ruled by Pashtuns, they naturally deserve all the respect. Again, no offense intended but this is an educational site where we teach those who don't know anything"

• Telling that he doesnt really "care" about Wikipedia, the internet, etc., even though he's been socking around for more than a decade;

• Tummywink "I have much better things to do than to fight with unimportant online bullies."
• Krzyhorse22 "it's only the internet so you can call me anything you want (I don't mind)."

• Trademark edit summaries containing "Rvv", "Rvv", "RVV", "ethnocentric POV", "unsourced POV", "POV Pusher", "POV Pushing", "POV combatant", "xxx nationalists"
• Whenever he gets blocked, he'll employ some weird type of reverse psychology, by putting words in your mouth. Often, he'll just accuse the blocking admin or any other user of being hateful towards "Pashtuns" and "Afghans". In general, playing the ethnicity/race card. Never respond to this; he's baiting on purpose;

• Minervials "I'm not abusing anything but peacefully updating Afghanistan related articles. Why am I targeted? Why am I stalked? Why is everyone following me? Is there a rule that Afghans cannot edit Wikipedia? Why is there discrimination toward Afghans?"
• Fareed30 "Is it Wikipedia's policy not to allow Afghans to edit but yet allow Pakistanis? So... why am I blocked indefinately?"
• Kojakkrags "Am I blocked because of my possible race, nationality, ethnicity, or religion? To block civilized editors based on these grounds is the most evil thing in Wikipedia." - "(...) is talking about my ethnicity and nationality."

• Accusing others of being hateful towards "Afghans", "Pashtuns" and "Muslims" as part of his baiting technique;

• Ahmed shahi "I have reasons to believe that HJ Mitchell is biased, his actions in my case show that he is likely prejudice toward Muslims which is the case with most non-Muslims today, particularily toward Afghans who are at war with the West."
• Kojakkrags "LouisAragon is clearly an anti Pashtun POV pusher."
• Kiftaan "for a violator like you who is now established to be a long time sockmaster, including an edit-warrior, meat puppeteer, an anti-Afghan (...)"
• IP 39.41.134.92 "(...) he tries to defame Afghans and favor (...)"
• IP 39.47.29.108 "(..) and push his anti-Afghan POVs. He's a Pakistani nationalist (...)"

• Using the word "censorship" in order to empower his "arguments"

• Tummywink "Most readers don't know about what is currently happening in Afghanistan. Wikipedia should not promote censorship."
• Krzyhorse22 "There is no censorship here, we report things as they are."

• Telling stories about the usage of the words "Khan" and "Pashtun";

• Kojakkrags "just because he has a Khan last name doesn't make him Pashtun. There has to be a source that explicitly states he is Pashtun (...)"
• Fareed30 "(...) and Khan is many times used by non-Pashtuns (i.e. Ismail Khan and Genghis Khan)."
• Mohd Rfus "many NON-pashtuns carry the last name khan ie Genghis Khan, Amir Khan, Musa Khan, Ismail Khan"
• Krzyhorse22 "Many non-Pashtuns have Khan last names and live in Pakistan.")

• Telling stuff about "Pashtuns", "Afghans", and "Afghanistan(i)" being the same thing:

• Krzyhorse22 "The Pashtuns were historically known as Afghans"
• Kojakkrags "Pashtun" is a recently-created name, historically it was only "Afghan"
• Fareed30 "Pathan also means Afghan (both terms being synonymous)"
• Minervials "everything relating to Afghanistan is "Afghan"

• Telling stuff about Pashtuns professing Buddhism/Hinduism:

• Kojakkrags "Pashtuns were Buddists and Hindus"
• Fareed30 "(...) they [Pashtuns most likely were Buddhist, Hindus (...)"]
• Kojakkrags "substantial evidence suggests that Pashtun areas were Buddist and Hindu "

• Telling stuff about Hindu/Buddhist sites having been found in regions where Pashtuns live:

• Fareed30 "and also there have been numerous Buddhist and Hindu sites found in the same region"
• Kojakkrags "substantial evidence suggests that Pashtun areas were Buddist and Hindu"

• Whenever he gets blocked, he always has as lousy excuse ready for "why" he has been editing extremely disruptive (if hes not accusing someone else of being a sock too, that is, see down below). Either his cat jumped on the keypad, or he thought that Wikipedia "is like Myspace", or the account is "actually someone elses", etc.

• Fareed "Let me run this again, I was blocked in August for 2 weeks for abusing multiple accounts, and I had explained to the admins at ANI that I wrongly thought Wikipedia was another social network site like MSN, Yahoo, MySpace, Facebook, etc, designed especially for (...) "
• Lagoo sab "I created some of these screen names because I wasn't sure which one to keep since I obly do occasional edits, and names such as PanjshirPashtun, HeratiPashtun, BalkhPashtun, wouldn't be an attempt to hide from other editors. I did this partly for personal Security and Privacy reasons."
• Kojakkrags "Tummywink is a legitimate alternative account of someone other than me, it made a few edits in about 5 article"

• Making "whole world" analogies:

• Krzyhorse22 (...) "and the whole world"
• Kojakkrags "The whole world knows",

• Edit summaries that include "rv nonsense by [insert ethnicity/nationality]"

• Hoo Hoo luky strike "Rmv unsourced unencyclopedic nonsense"
• Krzyhorse22 "rv nonsense by Iranian nationalist`

• Huge focus on ethnicities/nationalitities/religions of the region in question, e.g. "some Pakistani editor", "a Tajik vandal", "an Indian nationalist", etc.
• Basically never provides edit summaries.
• Spreading hate about "Pakistanis";

• Fareed30 "The guy in chat rooms was an ultra Pakistani nationalist living in Australia who hated everyone, especially Indians and Afghans"
• Krzyhorse22 "These guys are not here to build Wikipedia but to fight with anyone who they believe is Afghan or Indian."
• Krzyhorse22 "Him being a Pakistani, living in Australia, adding "Afghan terrorists" and removing sourced references to Afghan from famous Indians means that he is disrupting Wikipedia and should be blocked. In this case you guys are acting as a gang of aggressive pro-Pakistani P.O.V. pushers falsifying information (...)"
• IP 39.47.29.108 "You're just a racist anti-Afghan Paki sewer rat living as a refugee in Australia."
• Krzyhorse22 "He is constantly pushing anti-Indian and anti-Afghan POVs everywhere and that is definately a quick blockable violation in Wikipedia. Not to mention edit-warring with everyone. I also suspect that he's abusing socks, from Australia."

• Telling racist/passively aggressive/fascist/inflammatory stuff to other editors (especially those he has long-standing issues with), and about nations and ethnicities of the area;

• Krzyhorse22 "bullshit"
• Krzyhorse22 "vandals"
• Krzyhorse22 "Nematsadat, this is an official warning before I report you to admins. Stop destroying this article, you are NOT living in Afghanistan. You are NO LONGER and Afghan citizen because you are now a US citizen. This article is about LGBT rights in Afghanistan"
• IP 39.47.29.108 "You're just a racist anti-Afghan Paki sewer rat living as a refugee in Australia."
• Krzyhorse22 "Hahaha, but it's a historical fact Afghans taught your ancestors how to read. Ghaznavids from Afghanistan brought to your ancestors in Hindustan the Persian language with instructions how to live like humans"
• Bigguy388 "Really? Why did you take Louis Aragon's name, Behnam?? You are nothing like him. Additionally, your life isn't worth living. Who would want to live a life like yours, scumbag? Go back to doing dirty laundry work, you ugly excuse of an animal."
• Fareed30 "It is just this anti-Pathan user:Saladin1987 who wants this info removed and now you're some what supporting his cause. He is just being racist and you're not able to see this. Based on what he revealed to me, including his view point, his attitude towards Pathans, his writing style, his behaviour, his location, and other stuff, I think I know this guy from chat rooms. The guy in chat rooms was an ultra Pakistani nationalist living in Australia who hated everyone, especially Indians and Afghans"
• Krzyhorse22 "I don't give a shit who or what you are"
• Krzyhorse22 I'm getting sick of this Iranian POV pushers
• IP 39.41.71.211 I'm an expert on Afghanistan but JohnB123 is someone who is sitting somewhere in England with no knowledge about Afghanistan and is putting any nonsense he finds on the internet.
• Krzyhorse22 "If you look at the edits from the date this article was first created until right now, only Persians and Punjabis (neighbors of Pashtuns) came along with sneaky ideas to defame Pashtuns. These Persian and Punjabi sockpuppets all act like Yosemite Sam, obviously they're the same hate-filled sock abusers"
• Kyrzhorse22 "TheSawTooth, this is your last warning on P.O.V. pushing, source falsification and removal of the New York Times' latest 1.5 million Pakistani refugees."
• Krzyhorse22 "I think we all know, based on news reports, that Pakistanis hate Afghans and Indians but Wikipedia is not the place for this."
• IP 39.41.71.211 "Do you know how foolish that is? You probably just began using the internet recently. I've been using computer since 1985 and the internet since the mid 19990s. Go do something more productive than just wasting your time putting garbage in Wikipedia articles."
• Krzyhorse22 "You don't own this article; you don't decide who is Muslim and who is not."
• Fareed30 [6]-[7]-[8]-[9]-[10]-[11].

• Telling that Pashtuns are of diverse origins (e.g. Hindu, Buddhist, Indian, Turk, Arab, etc.);

• Krzyhorse22 [12]
• Fareed30 [13],[14],[15].

• Even though he's socking for about 10 yrs, he'll always deny everything when his socks are blocked.
• Accusing others of being socks whenever he's in a SPI, or when he gets blocked. Often these accusations are directed towards the blocking admin or the one who filed the SPI;

• Lagoo sab (diff)
• Krzyhorse22 (diff)
• Fareed30 (diff)
• Kojakkrags (diff)

• Making ridiculous (rather unorthodox) comparisons;

• Lagoo sab "i feel like i'm treated as Julian Assange and all these other editors as US government workers lol"
• Fareed30 "Putting these over 1,000 year old figures as Tajiks is like putting Jesus Christ as being an Israeli Jew",
• IP 39.41.21.185 "The way the article was written is like saying negative stuff about the Amish people in America as a representation of all American people."
• Krzyhorse22 "suppose I were serving a sentence under U.S. probation and all my online activities were monitored by my probation officer, and I was required to say certain terms/phrases and avoid using others. If I don't follow the conditions of my probation, I could go to prison for that", "(...) you have no idea who I am, meaning I could be a CIA agent and nobody will ever know"

• Uses sock accounts and sock IP's with the sole purpose to leave a personal attack for the users that put a halt to him, as well as for those he shares a long-standing emnity with (such as Saladin1987 amongst others).

• Bigguy388 "Really? Why did you take Louis Aragon's name, Behnam?? You are nothing like him. Additionally, your life isn't worth living. Who would want to live a life like yours, scumbag? Go back to doing dirty laundry work, you ugly excuse of an animal."
• IP 39.47.29.108 "You're just a racist anti-Afghan Paki sewer rat living as a refugee in Australia."

Targeted areas, pages, themes[edit]

Always use the Editor Interaction Utility. There are three topic areas in which he's absolutely obsessed: Pashtuns, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

Every subject that is somehow related to these topic areas are a possible target. Tendentious editing, misrepresentation of sources, making personal attacks, pointing fingers at others 24/7, edit warring, agenda-infested editing, and sockpuppetry. As mentioned, Lagoo sab is mainly concerned about the "grand three", which he is absolutely 100% obsessed about (it's a very important recurring theme since 2009/2010-) as well as pursuing his e-grudges.

Target articles include (list is far from being complete)[edit]

List of checkuser-blocked sockpuppets[edit]

List is far from being complete. See also; Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Lagoo sab.

List of suspected and confirmed IP socks[edit]

• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lagoo sab