The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 09:15, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Victor Orsatti[edit]

Victor Orsatti (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Notability issues were raised in 2011, but never followed up on. Does not appear notable to me in either film-production or athletic aspect. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 17:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Wikipedia is not a replacement for MySpace. (Anyone still use that?)--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Striking my own comments I think I may have looked at the wrong article when I wrote the comment above. I will recuse myself from this discussion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It seems like he should pass GNG, especially if the "USC quarterback" claim is true, but I don't have the time to research 1920s USC articles. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 18:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if true, that's not sufficient to satisfy WP:NCOLLATH. It didn't say that he was the starting quarterback, and even if he was, I am still not sure that that would be sufficient. --Nlu (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 19:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - As Morley Drury, i.e. The Noblest Trojan of Them All was the Trojan QB from 1925-1927 and later a College Football Hall of Fame inductee, I doubt Orsatti saw much field time. Later career as a talent and agent and such earned him some hits on his obituary, but there doesn't appear to be any contemporary sources that fund him to be a notable individual at the time. Tarc (talk) 13:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (changing to Keep, see below) No sources at the article. Based on a Google search, the only thing notable about him seems to be that Babe Ruth bat he won in a hitting contest as a teenager; the bat appears to be far more notable than he is.[1] In his obituary, he is credited with bringing Sonja Henie to Hollywood; not enough. He produced a few movies; not enough. Basically fails WP:BIO. --MelanieN (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I've added some sources after giving it a look see. He represented some of the biggest stars in Hollywood in the 1930s and 1940s and received a good deal of coverage. He also produced 14 feature films and at least one television series, and his marriages to/divorces from some three stars also drew considerable press attention. Finally, his death in 1984 was covered by the AP and printed in newspapers across the country. This level of coverage in mainstream media outlets spanning 50 year more than satisfied WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 05:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: A premiere hollywood agent of his era[2], which is why he merited an AP obituary that was widely published at his death, among the other sourcing found by Cbl62 as well. The Babe Ruth bat thing is a fun fact, but that's not the source of notability.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 05:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  Looks like 3 name-drops (one of which is in the appendix, the other describes him as "the shady guy who married...") in a book about the Mafia. For a book to say "so-and-so was a premier agent" and then walk away from that with no depth or qualifying text to support the how's and the why's of the supposed "premier" status is a bit suspect when it comes to establishing notability. I've never been convinced about the significance of obituaries either. Pretty standard fare for a person who was married to a few socialites and such in his day. So all in all ,the recent additions do not alter my input above. Tarc (talk) 15:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tarc, fundamentally your threshold for notability is higher than mine, we know that from years of AfDs together, but that one cite was just illustrative.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course different people have different "thresholds" for notability. Please refrain from such personal comments. They have no bearing on the issue at hand.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Its not unrelated, its the reality of cases near the margins. Both Tarc and I as paragons of civility, you have nothing to fear.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per Cbl62. Clearly notable looking in google books... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Good sources now found. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 22:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the considerable improvement to the article and sourcing by Cbl62. Good work. --MelanieN (talk) 23:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.