The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 02:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rung Suriya[edit]

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Okay, there is a few reasons why I am nominating this article for deletion.

1. The singer in question does not seem to be notable enough for an article. He fails WP:NMUSIC, and as seen here the article has only gotten 29 pageviews over the past 30 days, in other words 1 view per day - that's really not much, considering an average article on the English Wikipedia gets about 2 000 pageviews per month.
2. He is also not found on Spotify anymore, but when this article was nominated for deletion on Swedish Wikipedia, it was found that this user gets very low streams, with only 133 monthly streams in Bangkok. Searching his name up on YouTube also gives the impression that the amount of streams he gets is low.
3. By doing some digging, I found that the creator of this article, User:Boonyatham, has used machine translation in order to create this exact article on eight (!) out of eleven language versions of Wikipedia, and they all seem to have poor language. This just seems like an attempt by the author to make him seem notable.

In conclusion, the reader interest seems to be very low in this case, which is why I am starting this AfD discussion. EPIC (talk) 19:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Thailand. Shellwood (talk) 19:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep He is among top male Luk Thung singers. Here is google news search for him [1] (some of the hits belong to a weightlifter with a first name Rungsuriya) --Lerdsuwa (talk) 05:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. No proper reasoning provided for deletion. Article is sourced to reliable news sources. Page views have no bearing on notability, nor does being on Spotify. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, EPIC, it's very misguided to think the mean article view count (if that's indeed where you got the 2,000 number from—I haven't actually found it anywhere) is in any way representative of the majority of articles on Wikipedia, as the data will naturally be extremely right-skewed. Try Checking view counts for the first ten articles you find on Special:Random; the results may surprise you. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have no idea what you mean by "No proper reasoning provided for deletion". The reasons are already listed above. This article has been up for deletion on the Swedish Wikipedia, and the result was to delete. I will cite what was said in that discussion, translated into English.

"Here you can see that this artist has 133 Spotify listens a month in Bangkok, and 3 Spotify listens a month in Stockholm. The artist is missing from Discogs and Musicbrainz. This article has had 21 views in the last 3 months, which is a view every 4 days, which in turn is 4 times less than the average article that has 1 view per day (including all Lsjbot articles!). On English Wikipedia, the article has had 167 views in the last 3 months, or about 2 a day. Considering that enwp has about 5 million articles and about 9 billion views per month, this means that the average article on enwp has about 2000 views per month, or about 70 views per day, and the English article thus has 30 times fewer views than the average article. With the stubbornness of a cuckoo clock, I would like to again refer to "reader interest" and emphasize that in this case it is completely nanoscopic, and the fact that the exact same user has machine-translated this article in so many other language versions of Wikipedia is IMO an improper way to get attention. I accept that reader interest alone should not guide our judgments, and that "high" readership numbers can be whimsically achieved by "click-baits" or sheer manipulation, but how do you "tweak" low numbers? The extremely low number of views reported above, combined with the lack of notability as well as the other absence of sources and demonstrated attention, I believe are clear arguments for the article to be deleted." (I did not write this, this is cited from another user, but I along with nine other users see these as proper arguments for deletion, and they also apply for the English Wikipedia.)

I don't see that these arguments have become invalid, except for the Musicbrainz thing. So there is my reasoning for deletion. EPIC (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As WP:PAGEVIEW quite clearly explains, "Page stats can help determine how popular a page is, but are not an indication of a topic's notability. Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines are based on coverage found in reliable sources. If a page's stats are low, it is not a reason to consider it for deletion, and if high it is not a reason to save it from deletion." You haven't advanced any reasoning to support the argument that the subject fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:30, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For WP:NMUSIC, I think this song from him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m13eiUoOR1Q reached number 1 nationwide back then which was 25 years ago. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 07:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep From what I understand, Rung Suriya is a renowned Thai Luk Thung singer who has made significant contributions to the genre and Thai music culture. His appearances in TV dramas could further enhance his notability. --BoraVoro (talk) 16:58, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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