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The result was delete. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by an IP without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following articles for the same reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:31, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:31, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all - fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 17:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all I have looked at all of them, and they all definitely fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. BenLinus1214^talk 23:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What have you looked at? At least 9 of the 11 players is (or has been) playing in TPL, a Fully Professional League! SveinFalk (talk) 05:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all - Players fail WP:NFOOTY as have not played in a fully professional league, nor senior international football. No indication of any other achievements that have garnered sufficient, significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNGfor any of them. Fenix down (talk) 13:19, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At least 9 of the 11 players is (or has been) playing in TPL, a Fully Professional League! You say one thing, but then add a link that says you are wrong! When you don`t know anything about Thai football, you should stay away and keep to stuff you actually knows! SveinFalk (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Alll - They all fail WP:NFOOTBALL as they haven't played in a Fully Professional League and they don't have any international caps either. IJA (talk) 21:34, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again someone who say one thing, but add a link that do not agree with you! Why?? SveinFalk (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Alll per above Inter&anthro (talk) 22:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete NONE - At least 9 of the 11 players above is, or has been, playing in Thai Premier League which is a FULLY professional league according to Fully Professional League!! But I`m sure Sputnik will remove Thailand from the list too, as he did with Cambodia both last week and last summer, because he personally won`t accept the external sources!SveinFalk (talk) 04:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@SveinFalk: The claim that any of these players have played in the Thai Premier League is not supported in reliable sources. If you, or anyone else for that matter, can provide them, I'll happily withdraw the relevant nominations. You may also want to dial back the aggression a little. Assuming bad faith, as you've done here, can be construed as a personal attack. Since you've already been warned for harassment once, there's a very real chance you will be blocked if you don't turn it down. Sir Sputnik (talk) 07:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The reason Cambodia was removed (again) was because it had not been discussed on the talk page. If it had then the obvious fact that neither of the sources provided confirmed FULLY professional status. You also seem to be confusing the that premier league with division 1 as there are no reliable sources in the articles to show the people being discussed ever actually played in that league. Fenix down (talk) 07:43, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Is the Thai Premier League fully professional? Because a quick search suggests that at least some of them did play in the Thai Premier League, and at least one even seemed to have played for the national team. If this can be confirmed, then those particular players shouldn't be deleted. Those that aren't, well, they should be deleted. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, TPL is FULLY professional and that`s also agreed on Wiki (see the list mentioned several times above). I`m also 99% sure that TPL Division 1 is fully professional. There`s also several fully professional clubs in Regional League Division 2. 9 of the 11 players above has 1 or more external links confirming they is, or has been, playing in TPL. The 10th is an upcoming youngster who played several matches for a National youth team (U19)last season, and the 11th is playing in D1 (a possibly fully professional league). What is a "reliable source"? I would say that offical club pages, official league pages, various sites for newspapers/magazines is reliable sources. Of course, this is Thailand so links are in Thai, not English. In my view, Sputnik is only trying to ruin Thai football on Wiki, as he clearly don`t know anything about it. PS! I have NOT edited any of the 11 players above.SveinFalk (talk) 03:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is fully pro (there is no consensus that the first division is though), however there is nothing in any of the articles above to support the suggestion above that one or more of them has a tally played in he premier league, as opposed to only being attached to a club. Furthermore I see nothing to suggest that any of these players has played senior international football (again not just having been called up to a squad). Translation sites are notoriously bad at translating that so if someone with more knowledge can add sources to indicate either of these things have occurred in the career of any of these players then I would consider that player notable per WP:NFOOTY. Again SveinFalk, there is no campaign against you or that football articles. Please reread the articles and the relevant guidelines noted. It will be very clear where the articles fall short currently. If you can address this, please do. Fenix down (talk) 07:20, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why don`t you try to delete many of the players in this 1st team squad? Liverpool F.C.. Many of them has never played in a fully professional league, and is only attached to a club in a fully proffesional league. So, if 1 player is attached to Chonburi in TPL and another one to Liverpool in EPL, and none of them has ever played in a fully professional league, then BOTH should be deleted from Wiki, or BOTH should be allowed to have an article on Wiki.Do you agree? SveinFalk (talk) 08:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid afd arguement, everything you've just said is accurate. If there are other articles you feel are not notable you are free to nominate them for deletion. Sir Sputnik (talk) 08:49, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I`m not on Wiki to delete other editors articles, not as long as the info is correct anyway. I started to edit Wiki because there is very little info in English about Thai football, and I know many foreigners in Thailand look at Wiki for info about their local club, league or info on Thai football in general. Because "project Thai football" mostly is done by foreigners, and the info is mostly in Thai, the work is not done in a short time, so most articles might be "under construction" for a very long time. Since you are here to delete, then you should start at the top and work yourself down, not the other way. Start with players at the best clubs in the world. They are the ones who are most visited, and then doing most harm, in your view, so start there. I`m sure you`ll find at least 1-5 at every EPL-club. SveinFalk (talk) 09:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please also see WP:V, it doesn't matter whether you know articles to be notable and / or correct. this needs to be clearly verified to reliable sources to satisfy the relevant guidelines. Fenix down (talk) 09:53, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is a "reliable source" in this case, when you and Sputnik don`t accept OFFICIAL clubpages, OFFICIAL leaguepages and pages for football newspapers/magazines? SveinFalk (talk) 10:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Any of those would be fine, but there are no inline citations confirming that these players ever played for the club in an FPL match or in a senior international. Whilst this isn't essential, when a source is in another language and script, it is much more helpful to make it abundantly clear where the reference is. At the moment, if such links exist in articles, because they are not referenced to the relevant body of text, it is proving impossible for people here to confirm notability. Could you please edit the articles to show which sources confirm notability, paying particular regard to the fact that these sources must clearly indicate that the player has actually played FPL or senior international football, not simply been contracted to an FPL club or called up to a senior national side. Fenix down (talk) 11:50, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all - All articles fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 22:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Amateur or professional, it's still in the top divisions. J 1982 (talk) 09:15, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Please re-read the discussion, there is no evidence provided in an understandable manner to suggest any of these players have actually played in a top division. Fenix down (talk) 12:10, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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