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The result was redirect to List of causes of death by rate. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of diseases causing sudden death[edit]

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Although there are sources, they are not in line and we can't tell what fact they are referencing and I'm not sure why this is RS. This looks like WP:OR and does not agree with WHO, surely the key source for this? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The topic is notable per WP:LISTN. For example, see Preventing Sudden Death in Sport and Physical Activity or Sudden Death in Infancy, Childhood, and Adolescence. The page obviously needs improvement but, per WP:IMPERFECT, that is not a reason to delete it. Andrew D. (talk) 12:55, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk 13:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:39, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep and improve - Seems like a reasonable list that could be valuable. Agree that it needs to be improved with inline citations. Agree that the external linkout is linkspam and should be deleted. With those fixed, seems like a reasonable stub. BakerStMD 17:31, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate. BakerStMD 22:43, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect Nearly all diseases can cause death. Even acute otitis media and the common cold cause some. This is just a list of all diseases. Redirect to List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:20, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • True, but those would not all be causes of "sudden death". Furthermore, lists are normally limited to significant items, and without creating a silly name like List of diseases causing sudden death in a lot of cases, not just in weird, publication-worthy complications. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Extremely weak keep & improve - This is by anyones standards a piss-poor article but IMHO this can be expanded to an actual article by someone who knows all this. –Davey2010^Talk 21:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate - Aaaaand within a space of a minute Doc James has changed my mind - Seeing as we have the other article it may aswell be redirected instead. –Davey2010^Talk 21:24, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Article has a number of problems. For a start it should have CAN in the title. "List of diseases than can cause sudden death". Heart attack (Myocardial infarction) is not normally a disease in itself, but a symptom of other problems, e.g. drug/tobacco/alcohol abuse, to much fat, not enough exercise, the wrong genetics, an unfit person exerting themselves too much, electrocution. A Heart attack can cause apparent sudden death, or it might be survivable. The causes of a heart attack can be bad habits for years, so it is not really sudden in that sense. Toothache, not normally associated with sudden death can be lethal, an abscess could cause toothache, explode into the blood stream, and kill by septicaemia, ditto a crush injury to a limb can cause septicaemia. This area is to broad for a black and white list. Martin451 22:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep C'mon, guys, you all know perfectly well that citation formatting – or even inclusion at all! – is irrelevant to the question of notability. (If you've forgotten, then go read WP:NRVE again.) This subject is obviously notable. My trip to PubMed found 1,068 (yes, one thousand sixty-eight) review articles published the last five years that mention "sudden death" (quoted phrase). NB that "sudden death" is not the same thing as "any and all type of death". Wasting away from cancer isn't a sudden death; dropping dead after playing a ball game is. I've added two textbooks to the article already. This is a clear keep. If something there bothers you, then just WP:SOFIXIT already. Also, let's go look at Sudden death, a disambig page, and see if we should usurp it for a page about the main topic, which is people unexpectedly dropping dead. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per Doc James. Almost all diseases can cause sudden death; hence the list becomes meaningless. Per WhatamIdoing an alternate solution is to redirect to Sudden death and change that disambig page into a proper article (to me this is the better solution) --Tom (LT) (talk) 12:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • By the "anything can cause a sudden death" logic, it is equally true that every single object in the world ought to be listed as "a cause of death". Pillows kill people (suffocation), butterflies kill people (accidental inhalation), puppies kill people (allergic reactions)... but somehow, I doubt that a list of causes of death would include pillows, butterflies, and puppy dogs. I think the real problem with the !votes above is people not quite paying attention to the subject. Notice that User:Doc James writes, "Nearly all diseases can cause death", rather than "Nearly all diseases can cause sudden death". Sudden death is a discrete, specific event. Almost all diseases don't usually cause it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • We need data about there frequency to put it into context. Otherwise it is not useful. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Sources such as Preventing Sudden Death in Sport and Physical Activity contain epidemiological data. Developing the page to include such data is a matter of ordinary editing, not deletion, per our editing policy. Andrew D. (talk) 07:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Cause of sudden death" would be better. 14:31, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Andrew D that epidemiological information is very easy to come by. It seems to me that this is one of those conditions for which the medical establishment says, "We can't fix it, so let's just see how much it happens".

Why should we limit an article on this subject to just the causes? This list is intended to be limited to causes, but it would make more sense to have Sudden death talk about the whole thing, including some important societal reactions (many American athletes are required to get an EKG because of a few kids dropping dead after ball games) and giving DUE weight to personal effects (many sources talk about whether unexpected deaths produce more severe effects on survivors). WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a misconception here, WAID. "Sudden death" is a symptom, not the actual disease. Sudden death can only happen if a major organ fails (brain, heart, lung) due to something. That something can include emboli, thrombosis, and electrolyte abnormalities. Almost any disease can lead to a state of inflammation, affect electrolytes, or in a susceptible patient cause an internal process that causes "sudden death". So a list of causes is superfluous, because almost anything can cause it. I Think it is simpler if we just redirect to Sudden death and cover the main causes in that article, rather than create a list of potential causes which will encompass almost all diseases. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect, but not to List of causes of death by rate. I would prefer to move sudden cardiac death and redirect this article there. The current list of causes is simply wrong (e.g. acute renal failure - this would normally cause some symptoms before the potassium surge). JFW | T@lk 20:57, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sources divide the causes into three categories: arrhythmic cardiac problems, other cardiovascular problems, and non-cardiac (epilepsy is a major component). How would you include that last category on a page focused on cardiac deaths? WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

the above editor is referring to those instances where sudden death can occur (e.g. Sudden_infant_death_syndrome) , further it is defined... death that occurs unexpectedly and from 1 to 24 hours after the onset of symptoms, with or without known preexisting conditions(Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier).[1] , it goes without saying that cardio-thoracic instances dominate the percent of such, but cannot be solely classified as the lone ailment under such a topic.thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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