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The result was keep. Salvio ^giuliano 20:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Linus Söderström[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSPERSON and WP:NHOCKEY. There are a few good sources, but every professional athlete receives some media coverage. Nothing suggests the subject of the article is particularly noteworthy. JMB1980 (talk) 18:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Ice hockey, and Sweden. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - meets GNG. Besides the sources in the article there are plenty of Swedish sources, such as [1], [2], [3]. It certainly not true that every professional athlete receives some media coverage, although it may be that every SHL athlete receives some media coverage, given that the SHL is one of the top hockey leagues in the world. In any case WP:NSPORT2022 rejected the notion that merely playing in the SHL is enough to meet Wikipedia notability, but affirmed that sportspeople whose coverage are consistent with GNG do meet Wikipedia notability. There is no requirement that a subject that meets GNG also meet the nominator's notion of what is "particularly noteworthy." Rlendog (talk) 13:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  If the standard is that every player who has at least two instances of coverage in secondary sources (the minimum requirement to meet WP:GNG) is notable, then there probably isn't an athlete at the professional level who shouldn't have a Wikipedia page. The subject of this article has received about the least coverage one could reasonably expect a professional athlete to receive. Most of the coverage consists of articles that are quite short and mostly pretty routine (i.e. announcing that he signed a contract). As far as I can tell, he isn't notable for anything except just playing in the SHL; that isn't enough to meet notability guidelines, per WP:NSPORT2022. My determination that he is not notable is based on the fact he doesn't meet WP:SPORTSPERSON and/or WP:NHOCKEY. JMB1980 (talk) 21:33, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Why would including everyone who meets WP:GNG be a problem? /Julle (talk) 14:21, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Wikipedia policy states not every subject that meets WP:GNG is automatically notable. General notability guidelines are (as the name suggests) guidelines, not a guarantee of notability. Deeming anybody with any media coverage to be notable would result in an excess of low-quality articles about subjects most people would not consider worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Nearly every local politician, criminal, small business, etc. would have a Wikipedia page. It's actually pretty easy to meet the general notability guidelines; I meet WP:GNG but I think most people would agree I'm not notable enough to have an encyclopedia article. JMB1980 (talk) 20:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:SPORTSPERSON and WP:NHOCKEY are SNG's that give indications that a subject is likely to meet GNG. But the primary notability guideline is NSPORT, which refers right back to GNG. And not every professional sportsperson meets GNG. Far from it. Although most players who manage to play in the SHL - one of the top professional hockey leagues in the world - probably do. Because they have reached the highest level of the sport in a country in which ice hockey is important and gets a lot of attention. Rlendog (talk) 00:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The argument that he might meet WP:GNG but the article should be deleted because of WP:NHOCKEY is explicitly not what WP:NHOCKEY is for. To quote from the FAQ at the top of the page: "if the subject meets the general notability guideline, then they meet Wikipedia's standards for having an article in Wikipedia, even if they do not meet the criteria for the appropriate sports-specific notability guideline. The sports-specific notability guidelines are not intended to set a higher bar for inclusion in Wikipedia". /Julle (talk) 10:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets GNG. Aside from that, he led the league in GAA and was the starting goalie for a championship team in one of the world's top leagues. And on that note, stating that he fails NHOCKEY is a ludicrous proposition for deletion as NHOCKEY has been almost completely dismantled and only discusses players who would have played at a lower level than him.18abruce (talk) 14:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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