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The result was keep. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

James A. Trimble[edit]

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No evidence of notability could be found. He (or rather his company) is sometimes mentioned in passing as one of the many producers of streetcars in the late 19th century, but that's it. Fram (talk) 12:16, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 13:01, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 13:01, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:BEFORE? One of the top returns on Google Books notes "he name of James A. Trimble is closely associated in the minds of street railway men with the subject of cars, and Trimble cars and car woodwork have a wide reputation for excellence of construction, durability and fine finish. The Trimble car works were started in i86g, in a small shop next to the present building, and were originally devoted to the manufacture of street car woodwork.." And that the company grew into a 6 story building in New York City. Seems manifestly notable to me. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:20, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I did WP:BEFORE. That quote reads like an advert (a press release printed in the very specialized press, the "Transit journal" / "Street Railway Journal"), not some independent review. E.g. the NY Times seems not to have given any attention to the man or his company, which seems strange if this really was a notable NY company. One has to dig deep into the very specialized directories to find some bits of info. Fram (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep, because the article has been significantly expanded since being nominated. NearEMPTiness (talk) 07:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source 1 and 4 are the same, source 3 is an advert, source 6 is an unreliable website, source 2 and 7 look like press releases reprinted in the industry journals. Source 5 only has passing mentions[1], which leaves us with source 1/4, a short entry in a directory of all trolley etc. builders[2]. One entry in a directory, passing mentions in another book, and some reprinted press releases and an advert are not sufficient to establish notability for a company. Fram (talk) 08:01, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Pretty clearly meets GNG. This is a historical biography, not contemporary commercial spam; here we hare seeing the (probably inevitable) spillover of the reaction to the latter, in my opinion, which will prove quite damaging to the encyclopedia if allowed to gain steam, so to speak. Carrite (talk) 15:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

THIS is coverage of Trimble's roll in selling 80 double-decked tram cars to St. Louis in 1900. Carrite (talk) 15:08, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - This is without question a notable firm, although it seems to have gone through several name iterations. The founder is also probably notable but one would think there should be an article on one or the other but probably not both. The journal Street Railway Journal includes copious coverage of the firm's doings and that doesn't even start to touch what is there to be found on Newspapers.com, which a dedicated article writer could spend time finding. The footnotes on this piece are a complete fricking mess, but that might just be a case of a newcomer finding their way; I couldn't successfully fix one of them myself and I've been doing this crap for the better part of ten years. Anyway, there's plenty of work to be done here, but getting the ball rolling involves ending this challenge in a Keep. Carrite (talk) 16:30, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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