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The result was keep. Sam Walton (talk) 10:41, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Holograf[edit]

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Delete. Completely unsourced (and flagged as such since 2007!) article about a band, which makes no strong claim of notability that would pass WP:NMUSIC. Between the length of their career and the fact that most of the potential sources, if any exist, are likely to be in Romanian, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody can improve it to a keepable standard, and no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do better than this -- but articles are not entitled to a permanent exemption from ever having to be properly referenced. Bearcat (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat: Please note that the article has been deleted between 2008 and September 2016 [1], until I asked for an undeletion request, so check a page's journal first before stating flagged as such since 2007!Ionutzmovie (talk) 20:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I had a look at the Romanian article for assertions of notability and WP:RS citations. What did I find? self-written sources, discogs, and some promotional interviews. Nothing which I'd call anything like an independent source. If even the local fans can't supply any Romanian WP:RS sources, I'm calling a WP:NMUSIC failure. Narky Blert (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian Wiki is in a poor shape, Romanians simply won't write, they have other interests, that doesn't mean the band is not very well known in Romania. I'm an administrator there with over 70.000 edits and I know what I say. Ionutzmovie (talk) 20:42, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Excepting taking into acount the four big awards from 8th criteria from WP:MUSIC, the band's article has the potential to fulfill all of them. They really don't need to be promoted through promotional interviews, they are already well known in Romania and they don't depend on their Wikipedia entry. But of course, as I don't know bands from Bangladesh, that way I can't ask others to know every best band from each country.Ionutzmovie (talk) 21:09, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I have added references to the article. Razvan Socol (talk) 20:18, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as I stated on the request for undeletion here. One of the most famous Romanian bands, nominated multiple times for Romanian Music Award pentru Best Group, Romanian Music Award pentru Best Song. Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media from Romania. Has had more than a hit on a national music chart in at least one medium-sized country. Has released two or more albums on the most important Romanian label before the '90, Electrecord and after the 90's Mediapro Music, Roton [2] Also mentioned in Music of Romania article.Ionutzmovie (talk) 20:41, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They also have the most broadcasted song at Romanian radio stations in the last five years [3], if that's not notable I don't know what is.Ionutzmovie (talk) 20:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The band is featured in End-Year Chart 2004 (Romania), End-Year Chart 2006 (Romania), and this is just after the year 2000, or the band has composed their hits before the 00's, and those charts are hard to find online.Ionutzmovie (talk) 21:14, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also featured on the following award pages:

• MTV Romania Music Awards 2004
• MTV Romania Music Awards 2007 Ionutzmovie (talk) 21:14, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The album Holografica was sold in 100.000 copies in the first two weeks and Pur și simplu was sold in over 250.000 copies. For a country under 20 million people which pirate almost everything, that's quite an achievment.Ionutzmovie (talk) 22:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I extended the article and I think that using the argument that the ro:wiki article is at stub level as a reason to delete this article cannot be taken into account as I stated above.Ionutzmovie (talk) 22:22, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Ionutzmovie. Holograf passes WP:NBAND with flying colors, mainly criteria #2, #5 (Roton and MediaPro are some of the biggest labels in Romania and can be considered „some of the more important indie labels”), #10 (soundtrack of Orient Express (2004 film), in which lead singer Dan Bittman also starred; as well as the more recent, but less famous Ultimul zburător), and #12 (they are definitely on rotation at least at the 3 national-wide radio stations in Romania I listen to).- Andrei (talk) 10:08, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.