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The result was redirect to Frozen (2013 film)#Sequel. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Frozen 2[edit]

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This animation film has no release date. There are no reliable sources that state that it has actually moved out of pre-production and into production. Per Wikipedia:Notability (films) for animation films not yet released: "In the case of animated films, reliable sources must confirm that the film is clearly out of the pre-production process, meaning that the final animation frames are actively being drawn and/or rendered, and final recordings of voice-overs and music have commenced." See also WP:FUTURE (Wikipedia is not a crystal ball). In animation, a film is developed by first developing all scenes in storyboards, recording all lines with scratch voices (or sometimes, lead actors, like Bell on the first Frozen), then creating an animatic (essentially a slide show with sound) by synchronizing the storyboards to the vocals. (Don Hahn's book on The Alchemy of Animation explains this process, as does the Disney Animation app.) Because animation production is so horrendously expensive, feature-length films normally do not go into production or get a release date until the animatic is complete and all major plot holes or other story issues have been resolved. Only then do the animators start actually animating scenes, and voiceover actors are hired to replace all the scratch voices with final voices. If the story cannot be fixed, then the film goes back into development hell (as actually occurred with the original Frozen in 2010) and is put on hold while the filmmakers take a break and try to find a different approach. Kristen Bell's comments in March 2016 about beginning recording indicate that Disney was probably about to start the portion of development where they start recording voices in order to build an animatic, but says nothing about whether it was ever completed, let alone perfected. All media coverage since then appears to be rampant speculation on unreliable content farms designed to harvest ad revenue from clicks from young or inexperienced computer users. Furthermore, all key parties involved in the original film have gone silent on the subject of the progress of the sequel, and reliable sources indicate they are fully preoccupied with other projects (such as the Frozen musical and Gigantic). This article can be re-created three, four or five years from now when the film escapes development hell and Disney actually announces a release date. --Coolcaesar (talk) 14:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Draft WP:CRYSTAL,. Maybe a merge with Frozen would be suitable. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 16:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I originally wrote most of that material for the Frozen (2013 film) article, then split it out along with several other sections of that article into Frozen (franchise). If you look at the latter article about the franchise, the Frozen 2 article really doesn't add more beyond the existing text in the section dealing with the sequel. So the Frozen 2 article can be safely deleted. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Frozen (2013 film)#Sequel. The sequel article has indiscriminate detail, and what exists in the original film article's "Sequel" section is sufficient. I do not think the article needs to be deleted outright since its page history can be part of an actual sequel film article if production does start. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Redirect I've been meaning to nominate this myself. Clearly not notable yet. JDDJS (talk) 20:32, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Frozen (2013 film)#Sequel. It's going to be released eventually, I'm sure of that, but right now all we have is speculation. Once production, etc. starts going, the article will need to come back, but right now it's just time to let it go. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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