The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Killing of Dave Owen Ward. There doesn't seem to be much notability apart from the murder case, although the article on the killing barely seems notable either. However, as long as that article exists, this seems to be a reasonable redirect target. Randykitty (talk) 16:04, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Oren Ward[edit]

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A grand total of four credits in all low-budget, unheard-of, and obscure 90s indie films - article appears to being used to host detail of a not notable death/accidental killing - deletion discussion is connected to the Nate Moore (actor) deletion discussion. Govindaharihari (talk) 12:03, 25 December 2014 (UTC) Govindaharihari (talk) 12:03, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This article is tied closely to another and a corresponding AfD, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nate_Moore_(actor). --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:44, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Subject is notable with reliable sources, an editor keeps vandalizing the Dave Oren Ward article as well as the Nate Moore (actor) article. Neptune's Trident (talk) 17:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - Editors such as Factchecker0818 and Hemi.pwr may be the sockpuppet accounts of the actor Nate Moore (actor) who pled guilty to the crime of killing actor Dave Oren Ward and now wants the information taken offline. That's just a guess, a suspicion. Or maybe it is someone else involved in this tragedy between these two actors. Neptune's Trident (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

QUESTION FOR ADMIN: IS THE PRECEDING COMMENT BY USER:NEPTUNE'S TRIDENT AN ATTEMPT OF WP:OUTING?! OR WP:DOX ? IS THIS APPROPRIATE FOR AN EDITOR WHO HAS SO MUCH EXPERIENCE AND SHOULD KNOW THE WP:HA POLICY RE WP:PRIVACY?98.126.15.219 (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT: Another example of user Neptune trident Attempting to WP:OUT in this case, a second attempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nate_Moore_(actor)&diff=639600295&oldid=63959999300:31, 1 January 2015 (UTC)98.126.15.219 (talk)

Delete - While the incident of this actor's killing is notable, the actual actor does not appear to be notable enough to warrant their own Wikipedia article. Worlds Famous Cypress Hill (talk) 20:16, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete. The problem here is that I'm having a bit of trouble asserting that his roles are really all that notable. So far I'm only finding a small handful of sources for the films as a whole and none of them really mention DOW. Other than his death, the guy didn't seem to really gain that much attention. There's already an article at Killing of Dave Owen Ward, although I'm kind of leery of whether or not that really warrants an article since the entire thing didn't really garner a huge amount of coverage. Assuming that the page for the killing remains on Wikipedia it could redirect there, but barring that I'd suggest a delete. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tokyogirl79, that article was created in response the multiple censorship attempts that involved Sockpuppetry by Shark310 and their Edit Warring over specific information in this and the Moore article. As soon as this can be closed, both of those can be converted to redirects. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 19:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - In my opinion neither David Oren Ward nor Nate Moore, nor the crime, are notable. The article should be deleted. The crime did not go to trial, it was plea-bargained and therefore facts of the case were never substantiated by trial. Evidence of Plea Bargain The case itself did not set any type of precedent, it was not appealed, and the crime itself did not garner any publicity subsequent to the instant offense. Additional evidence of plea bargain without trial. The entire subject appears to be an isolated incident and not worthy of note in Wikipedia. I would recommend delete.--Bobbynow (talk) 05:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Bobbynow, seems like you're new to Wikipedia. 2 edits in May, then a post here, did you have another or maybe previous account? BTW, findadeath.com is not considered a reliable source. Shark310 even commented there as well in defense of Moore and to belittle Ward. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 07:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Updated - The link has been updated to The Guardian, a reputable source, which confirms Moore took a plea to manslaughter and there was no trial. Link to Updated Source, findadeath.com removed.

Keep - and rename to Murder of Dave Oren Ward or Death of... It is his murder that is the most notable. even though he has in fact have had a few roles.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:42, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see now that there are already an article Killing of Dave Owen Ward, so my question is why wasnt this article just merged into that article in the first place?--BabbaQ (talk) 23:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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