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The result was delete. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 08:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crocs Challenge Cup 2010[edit]

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Can't find anything that would allow for a passing of WP:SPORTSEVENT or WP:GNG. Google News and ProQuest returned nothing at all. A normal Google search yielded no coverage outside of Beachsoccer.com. Beach Soccer Worldwide published some articles like this one but, since it is the promoter of the tournament, it is a non-independent source and so cannot be used to confer notability. There is no evidence that this tournament was covered in detail in independent WP:RS. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. My research leads to the same conclusions as nom. This was a first edition. Maybe one day this event will take off and a multiyear article could be justified. At the moment, none of that! gidonb (talk) 18:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 16:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Non beachsoccer.com sources found. https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2010/07/26/goede-grasvoetballer-is-nog-geen-goede-strandvoetballer-11923967-a66824 https://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/14479/ax-en-koswal-op-dreef-voor-oranje https://azertag.az/en/xeber/AZERI_BEACH_SOCCER_TEAM_CRASH_ENGLAND_IN_CROCS_CHALLENGE_CUP-594060 https://news.day.az/sport/220704.html https://www.sportsdaily.ru/news/sbornaya-rossii-po-plyazhnomu-futbolu-primet-uchastie-v-turnire-v-gollandii-75120 https://www.championat.com/other/article-3104429-likhachjov-pered-nami-odna-zadacha-pervoe-mesto.html https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2010/07/21/delta_perestaet_byt_bazovym_klubom_sbornoy_rossii.html https://xeber.azeri.net/idman/millimiz-turnire-qelebe-ile-start-verib https://www.gazeta.ru/news/sport/2010/07/19/n_1522514.shtml https://qol.az/news/13803-millimiz-crocs-challenge-cup-turnirinde https://www.azerisport.com/football/20100724080932626.html http://old.plazovakopana.cz/storage/file/bulletiny/Bulletin%20Day%203%20-%20EBSL%202010%20-%20The%20Hague.pdf--Gazozlu (talk) 12:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Ping @giantsnowman Gazozlu (talk) 19:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My issue with a lot of these sources is that the articles are very, very short. This interview is lengthy but only mentions Crocs Challenge Cup in passing Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked the sources again, the articles mostly are coverage of the Crocs Challenge Cup. Some of them are indeed not very long articles however I can confirm now that they are largely more than just passing mentions. So re-iterating, independent coverage outside of beachsoccer.com has been located so I think we don't need to delete the article anymore. Gazozlu (talk) 21:02, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree and say that they are all WP:ROUTINE. Even friendly matches get this level of coverage. For example, England's friendly against Ivory Coast earlier this year is a non-notable football match, I'm sure that we would all agree on that. It does, however, still get more than a passing mention in Sky Sports, The Independent and ESPN. What it lacks, however, is any WP:LASTING coverage and this is why it doesn't warrant an article. The coverage listed above by Gazozlu is all minor and routine sports coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

However, the article is about the whole tournament, not about an individual match. The news articles are about matches that have taken place as part of the larger tournament and contribute to the over all coverage of that tournament. Except for the NRC article which I can't access the whole article. I'm not convinced that the article about the tournament should be deleted, your initial concern about not being able to find independent coverage outside of Beachsoccer.com has been adressed. Gazozlu (talk) 21:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also wrote "There is no evidence that this tournament was covered in detail in independent WP:RS." This remains valid. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FYI I made a working archive of the NRC article. ~Styyx^Talk? 22:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. It looks like a passing mention of the Crocs Challenge Cup Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:38, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is not, the name "Crocs Challenge Cup" is mentioned fully once but the whole article is about it. Gazozlu (talk) 12:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:GNG - I can't find any significant coverage that's independent. Uhai (talk · contribs) 05:21, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Significant and independent coverage has already been located above. Gazozlu (talk) 07:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I concur with Spiderone's analysis of the sources you linked above, except for the NRC source. However, just one somewhat lengthier source that is independent and almost solely about the tournament does not constitute overall significant coverage of the topic to me, especially when the rest are passing mentions or short, routine "hey, our country did this in this tournament" types. So I still don't think there's justification to retain the article. Uhai (talk · contribs) 07:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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