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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alkaram Studio[edit]

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Does not pass WP:GNG. Kadı Message 09:21, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Pakistan. Kadı Message 09:21, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP The above article's 3 newspaper references make it clear that it's a 'popular clothing brand in Pakistan' and should not be confused as some kind of 'studio'. These 3 references are already from reliable third party newspapers. In my view, meets GNG. Ngrewal1 (talk) 22:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. Kadı Message 11:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Kadı Message 11:44, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep  – there's huge amount of coverage around this brand. Have added some references to the page, but it's kinda hard for me to add them all due to excessive PR, and unuseful listings in search results. For me it easily qualify WP:ORG in it's current shape with recent edits. Radioactive (talk) 13:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The first thing to do is pick the appropriate guidelines. For companies it is WP:NCORP.
  • As per WP:SIRS *each* reference must meet the criteria for establishing notability - the *quantity* of coverage is irrelevant so long as we find a minimum of two. WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content".
  • "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. This is usually the criteria where most references fail. References cannot rely only on information provided by the company, quotations, press releases, announcements, interviews fail ORGIND. Whatever is left over must also meet CORPDEPTH.

With that in mind, an examination of the references shows that *none* meet the criteria as follows:

• PT reference is a press release (fails ORGIND)
• Business Recorder reference is a mere mention-in-passing with zero in-depth information on the company, fails CORPDEPTH
• Vcast reference is an interview with the managing director - not "Independent Content" and fails ORGIND
• Express Tribune reference relies entirely on a press release (and says so), fails ORGIND
• Next from the Express Tribune relies entirely on an information and quotes from the company based on an announcement, fails ORGIND. It also has no in-depth info on the company, fails CORPDEPTH
• Something Haute reference is about a fashion event hosted by the topic company, a single mention of the company in passing, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from Arab News is also a report on a fashion show/event and a mere mention-in-passing with no in-depth info on the company, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from The News is a report on a fashion show, no in-depth info on the company, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from Karachista fails for the same reasons as the previous four, its a report on a fashion show, no in-depth info, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from INCPAK is a mere mention of the company name is an award category, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from Dawn shows a bunch of social media messages which mention the company, no in-depth information, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from Oy Oye Yeah repeats an allegation that the topic company was accused of plagarism, no in-depth info, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from Niche reports on criticism of the topic company's "winter campaign 2021" for being environmentally unfriendly. No in-depth info on the company, fails CORPDEPTH
• This from Cutacut critises an ad made by the company for their Winter 2021 campaign (same as above). Also fails CORPDEPTH

None of the references come close to what is required, all either discuss the products or rely on PR and announcements. Topic fails NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 21:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete mostly per HighKing. Seems that this company lacks independent coverage to pass its respective SNG. A Google search results in similar non-depth and/or independent coverage. ~Styyx^Talk? 10:08, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP Seems like this article about a clothing brand Alkaram Studio already has much news coverage from many reliable newspapers of Pakistan. If the article needs further improvement, people should be allowed to improve it rather than out and out delete the entire article. Wikipedia guidelines encourage people to add to and improve articles? Deletion should not be the only option here. MelvinHans (talk) 21:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi duck! The reliable coverage alone is not enough per the guideline, which states that the content of the source must be independent as well. The article doesn't need further improvement, no one claimed that. We don't have an article on everything that exists. The subject is simply not notable. Also please don't add your signature on top of the page. ~Styyx^Talk? 08:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 'Alkaram Studio' is ONLY a clothing brand of its parent company 'Alkaram Textile Mills (Private) Limited' which does not yet have a Wikipedia article. Let's wait until the company itself has an article to ask for CORPDEPTH there. This clothing brand has been already supported by many reliable sources and newspapers. In my view, it's a popular notable brand in Pakistan and meets GNG. Regards Ngrewal1 (talk) 17:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A clothing brand is a company, so it needs to meet NCORP. ~Styyx^Talk? 17:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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