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The result was Keep Bolin (The Legend of Korra), and Soft Keep Mako (The Legend of Korra) and Tenzin (The Legend of Korra) with no prejudice against renomination if they're not brought up to snuff soon. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 07:06, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Legend of Korra characters[edit]

• Mako (The Legend of Korra) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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These are characters in a concluded animated television series. There is, to my knowledge - and certainly judging by the articles themselves - not enough coverage in third-party reliable sources to make them meet WP:GNG. Most secondary sources covering them are already used in The Legend of Korra#Cast and characters, which I think covers them at an appropriate level of detail.  Sandstein  13:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: no remark on the characters' notability or lack thereof, but it seems a bit quick to nominate them for deletion while they're still under construction. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 13:33, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Every article in main space must meet our inclusion criteria at all times. The creator could have avoided this nomination if they had constructed the articles as userspace drafts first, but they didn't, so the articles are now live, and something of an embarrassment.  Sandstein  13:49, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed Zaheer (The Legend of Korra), which you added, from this nomination, because the quality of the article and the number of sources cited are sufficiently different from the first three ones that I believe that it should be discussed separately. Feel free to nominate it separately, but I'd prefer discussing these three first.  Sandstein  15:55, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I gave it my best shot in that one go, but will try to add more later. Not sure why the status of the series matters when it comes to creating character pages. I felt there was plenty to write about for Zaheer, but hey, I'm no wiki expert. If the high powers deem it fit, fine, delete it, I tried, no big deal. Sorry if it's an embarrassment to you or the site. Chopperface116 (talk) 15:23, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, I've removed Zaheer, which somebody else added, from this nomination. That article may also not be notable, but it's certainly no embarrassment.  Sandstein  15:55, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete with no prejudice against re-creation if G. Capo want's to draft in user/draft space before making them live. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 18:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Bolin now that the article has been expanded, userfy Mako and Tenzin so that the creator can finish them (although the latter probably isn't worthy of an article). G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 14:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Userfy. These articles are still under construction and are clearly not ready for the main space. Based on a quick google search I think there's enough RS out there for substantial articles on these characters; it just requires some digging. I'd prefer to not lose the bones we have on these, therefore userfy instead of delete. Luthien22 (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The article is under construction, so the articles would be updated and then cited, so they won't meet the criteria for deletion if it's improved soon. Snowager (talk) 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Bolin, I'm not happy with seeing an empty article being made, but I've just added a lot of content to it. Still needs a lot, but it's a start. I think the "team avatar" members have established notability, so that isn't too much of an issue. Zaheer would need to be removed before Bolin gets removed if notability is the issue. (Zaheer probably should get deleted anyway, but regardless) I've found four interviews with the person who plays Bolin bout the character and quite a few sources where people praise his character growth between the third and fourth season, this just by Googling. I liked this source where it was discussed how he has become "the new Sokka." Furthermore, I'm just curious where this will go. The sources are there, and though the character is not often the primary topic, there is more than enough to work with. ~Mable (chat) 09:37, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • EDIT: I thought this was just a nomination for Bolin. I haven't looked into the other two articles yet, so I don't have much of an opinion on them. I think Tenzin probably should be removed. I'll check it out right now. ~Mable (chat) 09:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move Tenzin and Mako to a userpage draft. ~Mable (chat) 09:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Despite the fact that these two articles have been expanded greatly, I still support them to be moved to a userpage. The two articles are almost entirely in-universe, have an incredibly bloated plot summary section, lack any content in their "creation and conception" section and the citations are completely broken. The two articles have a lot of issues. Bolin is still lacking content (it is in need of a summary of the first three seasons, so that's pretty bad), but seems to have much less issues than Mako and Tenzin... ~Mable (chat) 10:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I completely agree. Neither of the two are currently fit for mainspace: the author should work on expanding the creation/reception sections, instead of adding yet more trivial plot details. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:13, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, though I'm certainly open to userfy. I'll admit I'm not familiar with the concept of userfy. Still, all three articles are UNDER CONSTRUCTION. There's no "embarrassment" if these articles are in the process of being developed. Could we give these articles some time to develop before we decide whether it's worthy for deletion? I put it out here only to facilitate a collaborative work effort on these articles. A handful of folks expressed interest in creating them. UPDATE: At this point Mako and Tenzin's article sections are almost completely filled in, so there's no need for userfy. It just needs info on character conception, which is the next step, sourcing and some condensing. We'll then proceed to work on Bolin's article. G. Capo (talk) 01:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• @G. Capo: you say "At this point Mako and Tenzin's article sections are almost completely filled in" but you haven't devoted any time to expanding the creation sections, and very little to the reception. The plot details are excessive and will need to be trimmed. I suggest you refocus your energy on expanding information other than the plot. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 01:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• *@G S Palmer: Please re-read what I stated. I was planning to complete what I posted above in that order. G. Capo (talk) 04:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• @G. Capo: Userfication just means moving the article to a subpage of your userpage, such as User:G. Capo/Mako (The Legend of Korra), which gives you the chance to improve it at your own pace. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 00:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Someone has done much work to make these WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic (talk) 03:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Bolin, Userfly Tenzin and Mako due to a lack of encyclopedic material (reception and conception), an abundance of in-universe material (why do the articles even include "personality" or "abilities" sections!?) and a broken references list. ~Mable (chat) 07:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Maplestrip: you already !voted above - would you strike one of your !votes so is doesn't seem like you're !voting twice? G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, I misunderstood what relisting meant, especially in this case where it seemed that the recent improvements on the three articles was more the reason for it. My mistake, anyway :s I'll cross out my previous votes. They are exactly the same as what I wrote here anyway, so it doesn't really matter which I cross out. I mainly just summarized my thoughts here >.> ~Mable (chat) 18:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment:As third party coverage seems to be the crux, I would like to suggest that sites like Curiata.com (self-published by a group of friends last year) and Hypable.com, which describes itself as "By Fans, For Fans" should not be considered towards establishing WP:GNG, and may not be considered reliable, as the articles seem to be short recaps of shows, followed by a fan's opinion. That Hypable declares "We don’t buy into that philosophy of only posting the big stories. Hardcore fans want to know all the latest news of their favorite movie, tv show, book series and so on, regardless of how big or mainstream it is", suggests low inclusion standards and devoted coverage to subjects that do not necessarily meet Wikipedia's inclusion standards. As the internet becomes ever more bloated and subdivided into obscure news outlets, blogs of various editorial standards, etc. and news/entertainment/opinion become increasingly blurred, I think it is important to keep a critical eye on sources themselves, and not simply assume "published online" means "notable". We would not expect an article on Backstreet Boys to primarily cite Teen Beat magazine, and perhaps sources at least one step removed from fandom and the hype it stirs should be a measure of notability. --Animalparty-- (talk) 21:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Bolin, Userfy the rest The sourcing for the article on Bolin is kind of weak, but I believe its ultimately enough to establish notability. The articles on Tenzin and Mako both need extensive work, and should be moved to user space. Also, I would recommend chopping down the appearances section so that it reads as a concise summary, not a long, in-depth analysis of their involvement in the cartoon series. There is no need to get into that level of detail. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:55, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep all Clearly way too much WP:FANPOV here, but all articles have significant coverage from independent sources. Mr. Guye (talk) 22:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.