14:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Last year, there was a page somewhere where people listed things they wanted to be brought up in the next year's ACE RFC. I'm getting all turned around with all the various ACE-related talk pages. Where was that? Per our discussion on the EC talk page, I want to leave a reminder to 2023 Floq about the EC. Also, as I said there, I was sure you'd already been on the EC several times, so I'm glad you're running. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Floquenbeam last year's was here, this section is a good place to note 2023 ideas for now. I have worked as a "coordinator" on the elections, but never sat on the commission; I do think I have a lot of historical and technical knowledge to lend but have had feedback that I might not be the best person to deal with "flexible" situations - one of (many) reasons I haven't run for arbcom, I think there are just better people to deal with the issues most likely to arise in those positions. Thank you for your support! — xaosflux ^Talk 15:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I think I'd be good at handling flexible situations but would be truly horrible at technical knowledge and remembering historical lessons. Together we would make an excellent single EC member! --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that the css supports the IF wrapper
FYI, in case you didn't know, there's an "if" option in CSS. Try mw.util.addCSS('@media screen and (max-width:600px){body{background:green}}') and resize your browser window. Not sure there's any reliable way to select Commons though. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz I was mostly referring to the lack (as fast as I know) of being able to do this in css: mw:Help:Extension:GlobalCssJs#To_exclude_a_wiki. With "and" and "not:" some conditionals are certainly possible; thanks for the note. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I just wanted to ask if you felt this edit merited revdel. I'm asking under the assumption the names in that edit might possibly be those of real people rather than just a bunch of ones the editor made up. Egsan Bacon (talk) 21:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!Egsan Bacon (talk) 22:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

@Egsan Bacon I suppressed that edit and left the editor a note. Could it be legitimate info - who knows, if it is the editor certainly needs guidance on how to improve their contributions. Best regards, — xaosflux ^Talk 22:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Deployment of Vector (2022).

Thinking back at it, yeah. I did not realize others commented on this until right now. Good catch :D Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 17:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

If it's a totally dead topic, feel free to initialize and move it to a /Archive page — xaosflux ^Talk 17:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Template:Draft article/Opt-out has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Please protect Hakkas wikipage and block the ip 219.78.77.203 has repeatedly disrupted the Hakkas wikipage and ignored my warning given to the ip on WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES:

[[3]] Hakkameizhow (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

This isn't obvious vandalism, please discuss on the article talk page. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

This is turning into a bit of a CIR case with forumshopping. See my user talk as well as Reaper Eternal's. -- ferret (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm going to see my way out of it! — xaosflux ^Talk 20:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block/Evidence § Evidence presented by Xaosflux: could you consider reversing the order of the log entries so they are in chronological order? I appreciate the MediaWiki software displays the log in reverse chronological order, but I think for the purpose of making the narrative easier to follow, chronological order is simpler. Thank you. isaacl (talk) 07:30, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Isaacl  Done, hope that helps. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much! isaacl (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding [14], did they ask for this? If not, it should be reversed. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Primefac as that poster continues to edit logged out linking that userid and IP, it is fairly useless now and has been undone; thank you for the note. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:17, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, Xaosflux,

I always check out any admin I come across in page histories or other places that I'm not familiar with. This time it was DESiegel. I noted that they hadn't edited since October 2021 or had a admin logged action since October 2021. So, I went to BN expecting to see their name on the soon-to-be-desysoped-for-inactivity list (as they had a notice on their Talk page) but they weren't listed. Is this an oversight by the bot? FYI, back in October 2021, they made a single edit and a single admin action to remain active. Any way, I thought I'd inquire here since you post the list rather than on the high profile noticeboard. Thanks for any clarification you can provide. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Liz DESiegel last had a log in November 2021 (Special:Redirect/logid/123297372), as such, they are currently on the pending-removal list for December (c.f. Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators#December_2022). Did that answer your question? — xaosflux ^Talk 09:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you Braggy (talk) 14:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For your continuous and tireless help throughout the years in SqWiki matters. A great help and a great friend! - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:15, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

You know, there once was an editor whose name used to make me smile - User:Can't sleep, clown will eat me.

This editor was everywhere. Didn't matter, day or night, I'd see them active on my watchlist, and on just about any talk page I might go to edit. They are apparently, of course, long gone.

But then I look around things today and now who do I find?

You. Everywhere.

But seriously. YOU. ARE. EVERYWHERE.

lol

The amount of contribution, the how much of your time you generously give to the community, just simply deserves a well-earned barnstar.

Thank you for all that you do. - jc37 00:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thank you for all that you do. - jc37 00:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jc37: well it's a big place, but I get around! I remember CSCWEM from way back, just looked at their history and found this: Special:PermaLink/180540149#A_new_flavor_of_SALT, seems forever ago when "create protection" got invented! — xaosflux ^Talk 01:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

lol wow.

If we go back and look at all the policies (and/or policy discussions) that you or I contributed to, I think we'll both start feeling old lol

Incidentally, the whole time I was looking for which barnstar to give you, I had Johnny Cash singing I've Been Everywhere, going through my head. lol - jc37 01:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I dont remember where, but I have seen CSCWEM's contribs several times. Given they had 100,000+ edits, and their last edit was in 2008, I think while they were active they must be one of the editors with highest edit count. —usernamekiran (talk) 23:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

It was rude of me to start talking of sundae ingredients and not offer you some. I'm still grateful each day for the unsaveable sandbox js you gave me. It's saved me from indiscretion sooo many times. Thank you! Cabayi (talk) 06:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you closing my EFN request. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The Special Barnstar

Just wanted to pop by and again say thank you for your help, knowledge and expertise here, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Wikipedia would truly be lost without people such as yourself and I will forever be grateful for the work you do and for the help you give to myself and others here. You've gone above and beyond today and I simply cannot thank you enough! Thanks again Xaosflux!, Take care and stay safe, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 17:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank-you for your help. The Admin stat page had been confusing me - and it makes sense now that I realise it's not a Bot (I am actually having felafel tomorrow night in Melbourne Australia - there are a choice of 5 within a Km) Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 12:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wakelamp: Yum! I took a browse around and found this bot maintained page: Wikipedia:List of administrators/Active, you may be able to use the history on that page to see the number of "active admins" historically; it may use a different definition of "active". — xaosflux ^Talk 13:18, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	It occurred to me yesterday that you are a (perhaps the?) primary maintainer of a staggering number of the project's core technical and administrative processes—and have been for as long as I can remember. Frankly, I find the amount of work you do daunting. Thanks for everything you do to ensure that the rest of us can do what we do! —Compassionate727 (T·C) 01:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Precious

Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

	The Special Barnstar
	Just a gesture of appreciation to thank the people who make this site going. Your tireless contributions will never be forgotten. :-) Wikipedian10282 (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, I am using the latest version of the Wikipedia app with an android mobile phone. The problem is recurrent in most pages that use mathematical content, whenever the option 'display =block' of the math tag is used; also the expressions that use the tag 'equation' are badly handled, but this tag is less used in wp articles; hope this helps, Altasperlas (talk) 17:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Replied at VPT. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Xaosflux. First I owe you a HUGE Thank You! for all your help with my watchlist. I was starting to get a little frustrated and I hope that did not come across as me being frustrated with you. I was trying to explain my rationale and evidence for why I believed it was categorization edits that was flooding my WL and causing all the problems. Turns out, that is precisely what it was. "Categorization changes" is a filter setting that was set to show categorization changes either by default or it was something I selected myself when I first setup my watchlist three years ago. Just now, by X'ing out that filter option, it ignored any categorization changes and instantly my watchlist returned to normal function!

I suppose the only problem that might remain is what if actually do want to see categorization changes without breaking my watchlist? But never mind that. I am happy I got my watchlist working normally and that I know now what was causing the problem this whole time. Mystery solved!

Thanks so much once again:) --DB1729^talk 01:21, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@DB1729 glad to hear it is working better for you now, didn't have a chance to get back to you there yet! It can be hard to help people in this area, because there are many many ways to change the watchlist display. I use the very-old style one on my usual account (Use non-JavaScript interface), I know it misses out on some of the fancier features, but it "just works" for my daily use. If you haven't lately, you may want to make a backup of your watchlist, go to Special:EditWatchlist/raw , copy all the text of the pages, and save it on your computer as a file. That way, if things get really messed up you can reset all your preferences, reset your watchlist and reload it from your saved list. Best regards, — xaosflux ^Talk 01:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Good idea. I saved it as suggested. Thanks:) DB1729^talk 04:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Please unblock me in Meta-Wiki,I got your change to cannot edit own talk page ,In block log i soon this 13:58, 18 November 2022 Xaosflux talk contribs changed block settings for Mhab Zdan1 talk contribs with an expiration time of infinite (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (repeated unconstructive unblock requests) Mhab Zdan1 (talk) 14:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

You block there stands, as you are being disruptive. If you want to appeal in 6 months, you may ask once on another project (such as here), do not otherwise follow admins around to other projects about it. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

-- Colin°^Talk 15:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Replied via wikimail. — xaosflux ^Talk 21:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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Sir, I request to you that I informed you that move to draft article on mainspace.it is ready for mainspace.Thanks you. Golmala (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

OK, I haven't worked on that article. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:04, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello. If you perform revdel, is that page added to your watchlist automatically by default? —usernamekiran (talk) 22:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran it shouldn't be. This is a little bit of a hard thing to test, because (a) it can only be done by admins, and (b) by the time an admin becomes an admin, they generally are far from using "default" settings. I did a quick test of make a page, revdel a version - it did not WL it for me, and it did not even have an option to WL it if I wanted to. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:50, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

yes, I tried it again on an non-watchlisted page, it wasn't added to the watchlist. A few days ago, I had rev-del'ed from two pages, which later showed up as temporarily watchlisted. I might have added them already. Sorry for the inconvenience —usernamekiran (talk) 00:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@Main focus talk that seems fine. It will be up to them now. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux thank you so much for directing me.

The request was successful, and I am back into it.

It's the same acc I am replying right now.

Thank you once again!

Tumbuka Arch^★_★^★ 19:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tumbuka Arch good news! Be sure to keep your scratch codes safe, if you are ever in a situation where you may have to use them:

• STOP EVERYTHING
• DONT PROCEED UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO RECOVER
• USE 1 TO LOGON
• USE 1 TO DISABLE 2FA

You could also consider adding additional information that could be used to help identify you to developers/staff such as publishing a committed identity or a cryptographic public key, such as a OpenPGP one. Best regards, — xaosflux ^Talk 19:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux Thanks for the advice.

Actually, I have kept the codes safe.

I am looking forward to add that commited Identity right now.

Thanking you for the good advice in the first place.

Thank you once again.

Thank you so much.

Tumbuka Arch^★_★^★ 19:34, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I am currently trying to help Windblown29 with sending a mass message, but just so I don't get things wrong I was wondering if Special:MassMessage has the same interface on meta as it does here? Thanks, Terasail^[✉️] 12:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

@Terasail yes, but there are special considerations on how a message and list must be formated if you are going to send it as a global MMS. See meta:MassMessage#Global_message_delivery. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see, thanks for this. I was trying to explain the basics of mms from my experience and how they should appy for it, (they applied here when they wanted it on meta) I gave some links but missed that one so I just added it. Thanks, Terasail^[✉️] 20:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Regarding this comment: zero, or zero factorial (that is, one)? ;-) isaacl (talk) 21:15, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

@Isaacl well, I didn't use "" ;) — xaosflux ^Talk 22:05, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

…what upstream changes could replace the Synchbot process? –xeno^talk 00:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Xeno from a technical perspective, this could be an extension. Operationally, such an extension could be used by stewards. Process-wise, some global policy to support it could be put in place (it has a fairly weak original historical support, but that has been strengthened in process by no one complaining about it). Currently, this is a house of cards built on pathoschild wanting to keep doing it for the most part. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Gotcha. Do you know if there's already a phab? –xeno^talk 02:28, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Xeno, no it was brought up a couple of times (such as here and here) but never went anywhere. I think one reason is that there really isn't policy to support it (e.g. stewards are not suppose to act when local sysops are present) and it exists in a murky global IAR realm. — xaosflux ^Talk 04:09, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Just a heads up, I edited your message at WP:VPT (Special:Diff/1125575324). I assume this is what you meant but since you wrote it and I didn't I thought you should know I changed it. Terasail^[✉️] 19:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Terasail thank you, was just going back to fix that and EC'd you! — xaosflux ^Talk 19:13, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Terasail wait, no. I am specifically trying to say that we, the editors here on enwiki, can NOT change that ourselves.. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. My mistake, I saw the "can do anything about" and thought: "no we can't". Will make sure to double read next time. Terasail^[✉️] 19:19, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi. I know this is a stupid question, but given complexities of policy, and odd circumstances: what would have happened if Fribbler had first made 100ish edits till 15 Dec, and made the re-sysop request after 100 edits? Or what if they make 100 edits in next two weeks, and make the request again? I didn't want to clutter BN with hypotheticals hence asking here. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran right now the only hold up I see is the "return to activity as an editor" convincing part. If they actually did return to editing, that should overcome that hurdle. The new 2023 policy doesn't prevent someone who was removed under criteria 2 from getting restored at BN. (If those edits were gamed, I wouldn't be convinced though). Also, there isn't a looming deadline, they could do that up until they hit the 5 year rule. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:08, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

yes. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello there. For the past two years, I kept getting an automated message to vote in the yearly ArbCom election despite having the "NoACEMM" template on my talk page. I noticed that the message sent was listed under your name using the list called Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022/Coordination/MM/05. I'll like to know if there's something wrong with the placement of the template on my page or if there's some weird oversight on why I kept getting the automated message. If you can help, that'll be greatly appreciated. The Gamer 91 (talk) 22:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. — xaosflux ^Talk 22:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I just looked at the history of Candidates/Guide, and it struck me just how much work you do behind the scenes to make Wikipedia happen. So, take this:

		All Around Amazing Barnstar
		For being quietly amazing. SilkTork (talk) 18:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC))

Hi xaosflux - I was communicating with another editor, and your name came up in reference to something we wouldn't need to do because you'd done it. However, this was overshadowed by a far more crucial issue: that we had each been confidently sure we knew how to pronounce your name since we'd been editing Wikipedia, and our two ways were different. So, tl;dr: how do you pronounce your username? Nosebagbear (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear I think this is the right markup: /ˈzeɪ.as.flʌks/. I'm not super picky since I rarely hear it aloud! — xaosflux ^Talk 23:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

(c.f. testwiki:User talk:Xaosflux/phonos). — xaosflux ^Talk 23:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I didn't suspect three syllables. It was always just two in my head. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe think back in the day I derived it from the words "chaos" and "flux", and may have been inspired by the animated series Æon Flux. I've been called "Zous" by some. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, Joe. As a WP:Talk page stalker here, I thought it was just using the "X" for a Greek Chi and have always pronounced it as "Chaos Flux" in my head. TIL. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 01:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

(That was my method, too, @Vanisaac!) :) Nosebagbear (talk) 10:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Once we get the phonos extension installed, maybe we can make a new "hear my username" userbox! — xaosflux ^Talk 11:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello there. I wanted to tell and concern about this. 8TV (Malaysian TV network) is suffering from vandalism and needs to be protected from the unregistered users because of the false information/gibberish into pages. There's no news about ceasing it's operation and it is proven to be false or just fake news. GlorysiaMelodyYT (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, don't forget about 8FM, it is also suffered from vandalism before I undo it. GlorysiaMelodyYT (talk) 10:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Third one: List of programmes broadcast by 8TV (Malaysian TV network) were also got hit, I trying to stop the vandalism but the unregistered users won't stop spreading fake news. GlorysiaMelodyYT (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@GlorysiaMelodyYT Hello, to request a page be protected please post at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Best regards, — xaosflux ^Talk 11:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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What do you mean by that? As far as I can tell only interface admins have the right to implement my request because it requires editing CSS in someone else ("User:UBX")'s userspace, which uses the editusercss right, which per Special:ListGroupRights only iadmins have. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:44, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery yes, the target of that probably should have been the userpage, not the template - it was showing up on the wrong report, looks like the entire thing has been speedily deleted now though so nothing to do. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi - do you think this would be useful for my Google authenticator? Just in case? Don't want to loose access![44] Thanks. Doug Weller talk 15:55, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I have two Yubikey 5's I use. -- Avi (talk) 16:11, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

@Avraham any idea what the difference is between the cheaper one that I linked and the one that you have? Thanks Doug Weller talk 16:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

See https://www.reddit.com/r/yubikey/comments/adzfqb/yubco_security_key_nfc_vs_yubikey_5_nfc/. The 5 has more methods. You could put GPG keys on it, for example. Or you could use the YubiAuth App with the key for TOTP (like Authy or Google Authenticator). -- Avi (talk) 11:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller I don't recommend it here. From what I see that would mean you'd convert your 2FA from TOTP to WebAuthn; WMF has even less support for WebAuthn than for it's almost non-existent TOTP support system. There is currently no self-service recovery for WebAuthn failures. I use TOTP, and set it up on 2 devices, that way if one device fails I still have it on the other. The easiest way to do this is to register them both at the same time (turn off TOTP and set it up again). Additionally, ensuring that you safely store your scratch codes for TOTP is important. If your authentication device fails it can take up to 2 scratch codes to turn off 2FA until you can re-enroll. I have used some of the hardware keys with other systems, but they are ones where I register my real-world identity to them and have various built-in recovery mechanisms. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I have two keys that I use for my FIDO2, including Wikipedia, and they work fine. But I have two in case I lose one. That's the downside of the increased security of a physical device: no virtual back door. I consider that a feature, not a bug. -- Avi (talk) 11:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I have my codes. It’s on my android phone so unless that dies before I replace it I can transfer it to a new phone. Doug Weller talk 17:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller if you have a secure computer, you could also install a software TOTP client. It won't help in the "your computer was taken over" type of attack, but still provides multifactor security from external cracking. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:13, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

good idea I can add Google Authenticatior to Chrome.. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 17:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Xaosflux! I wanted to write a question here but I got a notice saying it didn't get many watchers so I thought about asking you personally given that you had answered quite some questions there. (The question above me is also about 2FA. Strange coincidence...)
I use a PC and a laptop to edit Wikipedia. The PC uses Windows and the laptop is on Linux. I want to activate the 2 factor authorization but I'm not sure as to what would be the best way to act on this case. Do I really have to get 2 different groups of scratch codes by 2 different programs? Is there "a better way"? Sorry if I'm not clear. I'm a bit confused by the whole 2FA thing. — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi 2FA isn't related to the devices that you use to log on. 2FA (sticking to the TOTP model here) requires an authenticator, which is software that can take an initial secret seed, the time of day, and output a short-lived code. Most people that use our TOTP use a smartphone app as their authenticator. When you activate 2FA it will give you your initial registration seed, at that point you can use that seed to register multiple authentication devices (I use a software application on a trusted computer, and a software application on a smartphone). You shouldn't store that seed as it could be used to impersonate you. During registration you will get a set of scratch codes. These are attached to your account, not to your authenticator or any computer you log on to. They should be used only in the even of a broken authenticator, and only to unenroll from 2FA until you can set it up again. Does that answer your questions? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

To be 100% clear, you can never have "2 different groups of scratch codes"; the only way to get scratch codes is to activate 2FA, and the only way to get another set is to deactivate it (invalidating the old scratch codes) and reactivate it. There is not currently support to register multiple TOTP instances with different seeds and scratches. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

During registration you will get a set of scratch codes. These are attached to your account, not to your authenticator or any computer you log on to.
Aha! Okay then. That was my dilemma. Thank you! :)) — Klein Muçi (talk) 16:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Whatever you celebrate at this time of year, whether it's Christmas or some other festival, I hope you and those close to you have a happy, restful time! Have fun, Donner60 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)}}

Donner60 (talk) 01:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Xaosflux! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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