Wikipedia moderators are biased on social issues. My most important observation is that they generally promote anti-Turkism. This smearing process is what degrades the value of wikipedia. You cannot type in anything bad about Greece or Armenia in Wikipedia but if you want to smear Turks or Turkey, go ahead! Hard science Wikipedia and social sciences Wikipedia are two different worlds. I trust Wikipedia on basic science (physics, chemistry, biology and related disciplines) but for any social sciences and politics, nobody should trust Wikipedia. You should read from multiple sources and learn the pros and cons by reading from these conflicting sources directly. If you don't go to the source, make sure that you're being misled. Ibrikchee (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ibrikchee: "You cannot type in anything bad about Greece or Armenia in Wikipedia but if you want to smear Turks or Turkey, go ahead!" This explains why you shouldn't be on Wikipedia if this is your intention. Wikipedia isn't a battleground, and our goal is to summarize reliable sources neutrally. Please learn Wikipedia's five pillars and try to acknowledge the true purpose of this encyclopedia. Wretchskull (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is my user talk page and I have the rights to express my opinions. You' re not the person to judge me here, you are not the person that determines who can stay here.

I don't promote any ideas here, unlike some Wikipedia moderators. I just stressed out my observations. I never have written anything bad about Greeks or Greece but I saw many awful things written about Turks here, this is my protest. You are biased, admit it. And these bad words about Turke and Turks are still here, because Wikipedia moderators allow them to stay. Actually most of these changes are done by moderators themselves. You cannot smear Turkey or Turkish people, I cannot smear Greece or Greek people.

Please stop cherry picking my words and admit the truth, social matters in Wikipedia are completely biased. I hate Wikipedia on social matters as much as I love Wikipedia on hard and real science. Ibrikchee (talk) 15:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have never said that this is my intentions. Some Wikipedia moderators are the ones that smear Turkey name and the Turks. This is the battle that they are having.

Check "Turkish War of Independence" article and see the changes within the last 5 years. It gets worse and worse by every year. And finally they say this:

"the Turkish nationalist movement carried out massacres and deportations in order to eliminate native Christian populations—a continuation of the Armenian genocide and other ethnic cleansing operations during World War I. These campaigns resulted in the creation of the Republic of Turkey."

And then please check "Greek War of Independence" article. Compare and contrast two articles.

This is completely biased and complete nonsense! Ibrikchee (talk) 15:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ibrikchee: Wikipedia is, yet again, not a battle ground, and it is certainly not a childish "you hit me, I hit you"-sandbox. If your concern is that you want to add negative information about the Greek War of Independence, that's the problem. You're getting upset that these articles are simply documenting history. If it is the case that Turks carried out massacres and the Greeks didn't, that's simply facts and we cannot twist the truth just so they fit your beliefs and ideologies. The Turks carried out ethnic cleansing, which is a well-documented fact, therefore we have to mention it. If the Greeks did the same, it would have been documented and we would have to mention it as well. Bias is not allowed, and I hope you also understand the fact that there are many contributors on Wikipedia who may be Turks or Greeks and who have differing opinions about these subjects. Despite this, they accept that these are facts. Drop the collective guilt; I have not a seen a single German complain that the Holocaust article or Hitler article puts Germany in a bad light. They acknowledge the dark past of their nation and move on. If there are reliable secondary sources stating that the Greeks also committed atrocities, then that should be added. All best - Wretchskull (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not my concern to add negative information about Greek Independence, yet some Wikipedia moderators are fighting to change the Turkish War of Independence for years, for no apparent reason. You are refuting yourself, thanks for helping me.

They are not documenting anything, they are trying to change history. I protest this. You are still cherry picking my words, you do not try to understand my message.

Turks carried out massacres as much as Greeks carried out massacres, you can check siege of Tripolitsa and Navarino Massacres (1820s). Not just Turks were massacred, all non-Christians were killed too.

Turkish war of Independence (1920s) was an all-out war, 300 thousand Greek soldiers invaded Turkey and they were repelled by newly formed Turkish army. That was what happened and that was what was written 2 years ago in the wiki page of "Turkish War of Independence". There are always at least two sides of a story and you should always read all sides in order to stay neutral.

Turks didn't carry out ethnic cleansing, there were deportation orders which were not carried out in most of Greek-inhabited places in Anatolia during 1920s. After the war, thousands of Greeks were send to Greece and thousands of Turks were sent to Anatolia as a result of population exchange. if you are so interested about ethnic cleansing, you can check Crimean Tatar deportations to gulags by Stalin during WW2. Instead of trying to smear or blame Russia for ethnic cleansing or genocide, we maintain our relationship with Russia. We could have easily back US support and blame-smear Russia, but we didn't. Greece did, because they have eternal hatred towards us. They should let the past go, but I guess they won't. Apart from some usual vandalism, Turks do not systematically try to change Greek war of independence Wikipedia article. Do you know why? Because it doesn't help anybody. Ibrikchee (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am upset that there will never be true peace between Greece and Turkey, mostly because of Greek attitudes towards Turkey. Ibrikchee (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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