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I have proposed a set of Roman Alphabets to write Urdu language in Roman script. We can have discussions and debates on the pro's and con's of the proposed alphabets right here.

(Please don't debate the usefulness of using Roman script to write Urdu; I am highly convinced that it should be done <cf. Section 3 of this page>)

The proposed Roman alphabet is given below:

Consonants			Vowels & diphthongs
Urdu Alphabet	Roman Alphabet	Alternative Roman Alphabet	Urdu Alphabet	Roman Alphabet	Alternative Roman Alphabet
ب	(b,B)		ا	(a,A)
بھہ	(b_,B_)<underlined>	(bh,Bh)	آ	(ä,Ä)/(æ,Æ) (as in Äm/Æm:آم)	(aa,Aa)
پ	(p,P)		ع	(â,Â) (as in Âmmär:عمار) / (ê,Ê) (as in Êb:عیب, Ênak:عینک) / (î,Î) (as in Îmrän:عمران, Îndiä:عنریہ) / (ô,Ô) (as in Ôd:عود, Ôn:عون) / (û,Û) (as in Ûmar:عمر,Ûmer:عمیر)
پھہ	(p_,P_)<underlined>	(ph,Ph)	و	Beginning of Word:(v,V); Middle/end of word:(o,O) (as in dost:دوست, g'ořä:گھوڈا) / (ö,Ö) (as in dör:دور, döřnä:دوڑنا) / (u,U) (as in durre-şahwär:درشہوار, muřnä:مڑنا, g'umänä:گھمانا) / (ü,Ü) (as in g'ümnä:گھومنا, dür:دور)	Beginning of word:(w,W)
ت	(t,T)		ی	Beginning of word:(y,Y);Middle/end of word:(i,I) (as in din:دن) / (ï,Ï) (as in dïn:دین)
تھہ	(t_,T_)<underlined>	(th,Th)	ے	Beginning of word:(y,Y); Middle/end of word:(e,E) (as in jäte:جاتے, gäte:گاتے) / (ë,Ë) (as in "Mëŋ dukän meŋ hün":"میں دکان میں ھوں"
ٹ	(ŧ,Ŧ)	(t',T')
ٹھہ	(ŧ_,Ŧ_)<underlined>	(ŧh,Ŧh)/(th',Th')
ث	(s,S)
ج	(j,J)
جھہ	(j_,J_)<underlined>	(jh,Jh)
چ	(c,C)
چھہ	(c_,C_)<underlined>	(ch,Ch)
ح	(h_,H_)<underlined>	(hh,Hh)
خ	(ķ,Ķ)	(k',K')
د	(d,D)
دھ	(d_,D_)<underlined>	(dh,Dh)
ڈ	(đ,Đ)	(d',D')
ڈھہ	(đ_,Đ_)<underlined>	(đh,Đh)/(dh',Dh')
ذ	(z,Z)
ر	(r,R)
ڑ	(ř,Ř)	(r',R')
ز	(z,Z)
ژ	(x,X)
س	(s,S)
ش	(ş,Ş)	(s',S')
ص	(s,S)
ض	(z,Z)
ط	(t,T)
ظ	(z,Z)
غ	(ġ,Ġ)	(g',G')
ف	(f,F)
ق	(q,Q)
ک	(k,K)<NO (c,C)>
کھہ	(k_,K_)<underlined>	(k',K')
گ	(g,G)
گھہ	(g_,G_)<underlined>	(g',G')
ل	(l,L)
م	(m,M)
ن	(n,N)
ں	(ŋ,Ŋ)
ھ،ہ	(h,H)

Ibtidäi Hisäb[edit]

Hisäb ke cär baře qäide hëŋ: jama, tafrïq, zarb, taqsïm

Pehla qäida: Jama

Jama ke qäide par amal karna äsän nahïŋ. Ķusüsan mehngai ke dinoŋ meŋ. Sab kuch ķarc ho jäta he. Kuch jama nahïŋ ho päta. Jama ka qäida muķtalif logoŋ ke lie muķtalif hë. Âäm logöŋ ke lie 1+1=1½. Kiüŋke ½ incam tex (income tax) wäle le jäte hëŋ. Tijärat ke qäide se jama kareŋ to 1+1 ka matlab hë giära. Rişwat ke qäide se häsile-jama ör ziäda ho jäta hë. Qäida wohi acha jis meŋ häsile-jama ziäda se ziäda äe, başart-yeke pölïs (police) mänê na ho. Ek qäida zubäni jama ķarc ka hota hë. Ye mulk ke masäil hal karne ke käm äta hë. Äzmüda hë.

(Urdü ki Äķri Kitäb az Ibne Inşä)

:اس ضمن میں احقر کی گزارشات ملاحظہ ھوں

1. Unicode میں اردو حروف تہجی آنے کے بعد بھی اردو کے مروجہ رسم الخط میں ٹائپ کرنا خاصا مشکل ھے۔ مزیدیکہ مادکیٹ میں جو keyboard دستیاب ھیں، وہ پرانے Inpage کے صوتی طرز پہ بناۓ گۓ ھیں، جبکھ ما‏ئیکروسوفٹ کے پروگراموں میں ان keyboards کی مدد سے ٹائپ نہیں کیا جا سکتا۔

2. موبائل فون کے زیادہ تر ماڈلز (ساختوں) میں عربی (یا فارسی) تو لکھی جا سکتی ھیں، مگر اردو کے ا‌ضافی حروف لکھنے کی سہولت موجود نییں۔

3. عوام کی ایک کثیر تعداد SMS یا چیٹنگ میں اردو زبان کا سہادہ لیتی ھے پر عربی رسم الخط میں لکھنے سے قاصر ھے، لھزا رومن رسم الخط کا سھارا لیا جاتا ھے۔

اور اس بات کی امید کرنا بیوقوفی ھے کہ ھماری عوام آسان رومن رسم الخط کو چھوڑ کے مشکل اردو رسم الخط کو اپناۓ گی۔ نتیجہ یہ نکلے گا کہ آج سے دس سال پعر کمپیوٹر اور انٹرنیٹ کی دنیا میں اردو کی حیثیت ایک معمولی زبان کی ھو گی۔ اور نئ نسل انگریزی زبان پہ اور زیادہ منحصر ھو جائیگی۔ اور یہ مسائل پاکستان کی دوسری زبانوں (پنجابی، سنرھی، پشتو، بلوچی، سرائیکی، کشمیری) کو بھی درپیش ھیں۔ ھمیں چاھیے کہ ھم زبان کو بچانے کی سعی کریں، نہ کہ رسم الخط سے محبت کے چکر میں زبان کو نقصان پہنچا بیٹھیں۔ ویسے بھی عوام تو رومن رسم الخط کو کمپیوٹر کی حد تک قبول کر ھی چکے ھیں، اب ھمارا فرض بنتا ھے کہ ھم باقاعدہ رومن رسم الخط کی توضیح کریں۔ ورنہ عوام اردو الفاظ کے بے تکے رومن متبادل تو و‌‌‍‍ضح کر ھی چکے ھیں‍‌، جیسے جیسے وہ ذہنوں میں راسخ ھوں گے زبان کا اور نقصان ھوگا۔ میری گزارش ھے کہ ویکیپیڈیا پہ ہر صفحے کا ایک رومن متبادل ھو۔ اردو کے رومن حروف تہجی میں اپنی فہم ناقص کے مطابق ترتیب دے چکا ھوں۔ جو حضرات اس سلسلے میں میری معاونت کرنا چاھیں، بندہ ھر ممکن تعاون اور رہنمائ کو تیار ھے۔ آپ کے خیالات جاننے کا متمنی ھوں۔ (سید فیاض عباس)

Assalamalaikum. Thank you very much for the construction of the chart in the "Roman Urdu Alpahabet Table" section of the Roman Urdu page. It is very well done. Kitabparast and I have also been involved in this project. He is a well qualified expert on this subject and we have collaborated on several pages including Hindustani, Hindustani Grammar, Urdu, and now the Roman Urdu article. I requested him to review your table and also add the Devanagari script to it as well. I have placed a table of Roman Urdu examples on the page as well. Kitabparast will add the Devanagari script to this chart as well and change the order of this chart to Roman Urdu, Nasta'liq, Devanagari, English Translation, and then the Notes. I also placed a picture entitled 'The Urdū Nasta’liq alphabet, with names in the Devanāgarī and Roman Urdu alphabets' in the introduction. I thought it was a great image for the article. Thanks once again for your contribtion. It was a big asset to the Roman Urdu page. I look forward to working with you on this project and look forward to hearing from you soon. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 19:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salaam! It seems like Zulfikkur has already added the Devanagari script to one of the tables I inserted under the examples section in the Roman Urdu article. I have also added a few things to the page do make it look more presentable. I am sure Kitabparast will add the Devanagari script the next time he makes an edit. He has not made an edit in a few days so I assume he is on vacation or something like that. Because he loves doing this and has helped me much before, I am sure he will do it. Maybe it would be a good idea for you to introduce yourself to him on his talk page and also tell him about our collaboration. I like your idea of "laying the foundation for the re-merging of Hindi & Urdu with common script." If you take a look at the Hindustani grammar article, you will see that it is a dual purpose article as it has the Nasta’liq and Devanagari scripts. This is very good. Once again I look forward to working with you. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 18:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assalamualaikum. Most of the Devanagari script has been added to the article (except for the table). Recently, Kitabparast has been working on the page so I am sure he will complete this part soon. Perseo-Arabic and Devanagari transliterations have been added under the sample texts as well. Thanks and hope you return soon! Khuda Hafiz. Anupam

Hello! §ǫŋα Κäйĩкá Çђøωδħаŕψ 17:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salaam! It's nice to know that you are back! I am looking forward to our collaboration together on Hindustani related articles. Khuda Hafiz. Anupam 04:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your'e very welcome! It's great working with you. You are a very knowledgeable individual. I left a comment on Talk:Roman Urdu about the retroflex nasal ں. I think its a good idea. Thanks. Khuda Hafiz. Anupam 21:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assalamalaikum. Eid Mubarak ho. I hope everything with you is splendid. It's a pleasure working with you on Wikipedia. Hope you return soon! Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 20:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Salaam! I just wanted to let you know that I have finished adding Devanagari to the Writing System table. I'm looking forward to your return so we can discuss the transcription system. Thanks! Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 04:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see standardization in the work, but I am keen to know whether there is a standard for Roman Urdu. I was born and bred in Pakistan and my mother tongue is Urdu. Of what depresses me the most is that the Nastaliq or the Persio-Arabic script has not reached a maturer level in the computing world and it seems we are destined to always retort to an alternative.

If what you are displaying in the table is not standard, I think we should all settle for a standard here, until this work remains a work of pure imagination. I loved the work you guys have done on the Roman Urdu page. I have even started e-mailing and documenting things in the Romand script as was used from the Kitab-e-Muqadas (The Bible). Being a Christian, I read that Zabur all the time and it was good to stare at the first ever works of Roman Urdu emerging from the Bible. If you need help, I'd be more than welcome to help. - Arun Reginald 04:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Good. Thank you for fixing the list. But it isn't completely alphabetical, you should review and fix it. Meanwhile, I hope you could help revert vandalism on the articles of Pakistani Shi'a politicians because many insist on removing references to Shi'a Islam in their articles. LahoreKid (talk) 23:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the anon Special:Contributions/220.246.101.158 keeps removing Muhammad Hussain Najafi from the list. Please include him when you fix the list. LahoreKid (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Man, something should be done about that Shi'a Islam template and the picture of Ali (a.s). Do you know any Shi'a editors who can give their opinion on this? LahoreKid (talk) 08:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I arranged the list by alphabetic order and it took some of my time. I removed those who didn't even consider themselves marjas. I'm working hard to remove anti-Shia POV in many articles and someone like you decides to waste my time and start an edit war. I certainly didn't appreciate how you sabotaged the picture of Sayyed Fadlallah and I consider it nothing less than provocation. The article doesn't belong to you, and I didn't spend my time fixing it to have an idiot revert my work back. Unless you prove that the people I removed from the list are marjas, my version of the article is staying and I hope you could step back and do something productive on this encyclopedia instead of wasting my time. LahoreKid (talk) 18:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LahoreKid, to call another editor "idiot" is rude and must be avoided.

Let's discuss the order of the list on the talk page. Whether a person is marja or not should be decided based on reliable source. I'll try to see if I can find some. --Be happy!! (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Syed Nedian,

I'll try to see what I can do! First I need to find some reliable source (WP:RS) and have the article sourced.

Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 20:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salam! I think let the other editor reply at the talk page to you concern, so his stance is also recorded. Then I can help you in resolving this dispute. And I must appreciate your discussing of the dispute at the talk page! --SMS ^Talk 20:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the heads-up on List of Marjas. I am not even Shia, but I believe I created that article because these are very important people, especially in today's world situation and I just couldn't find a list anywhere.

You are an NEDian? current or alumnus?

--iFaqeer (talk) 17:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I have just deleted the majority of the images you have uploaded. Please do not take images from other websites and upload them as your own- Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. Continuing to disrespect copyright may lead to you being blocked from editing, or even to you, Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation getting into legal trouble. J Milburn (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Claiming work from other websites (even if you believe it is in the public domain anyway, which I doubt it is) to be your own is just asking for trouble, and perfectly reasonable to delete as all images uploaded here must provide a source. Almost all of the images were of various Muslim legal figures, and were very obviously taken from other websites. Which ones do you claim to be your own? J Milburn (talk) 10:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I am in a rush now- I tried to copy from the log, and it didn't work. I'll work out how to show you the images I am referring to later tonight. J Milburn (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or not, change of plan. The following images (list taken from your upload log with entries I am not referring to removed) are images that I or others have deleted. Could you please explain which are your own work and/or why you believe the others are free-

1. 20:57, 3 March 2008 Syed.Nedian (Talk | contribs | block) uploaded "Image:Muhsin alHakim.jpg" ‎ ({{Information |Description=Muhsin at-Tabatabai al-Hakim |Source=self-made |Date= |Location= |Author=~~~ |other_versions= }})
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A site simply not having a copyright statement does not mean that the images are free- websites must explicitly release the images into the public domain or under a free license. However, no matter where these images were taken from, you and the other editors were deceptive, in that you claimed that you were the authors of the images. As such, I have little sympathy. If you are going to start being honest about where you got images from, and ensure that you are uploading images under the correct license, then you are welcome to re-upload the images. J Milburn (talk) 19:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, sorry, I realise the actions of others have no bearing. I do apologise if I have assumed bad faith here- I deleted the images you had uploaded after uncovering huge swathes of stolen images by other editors, so perhaps I didn't look into the issue in as much detail as I should have done, just assuming they were stolen too. Also, I apologise if I have been a little aggressive here, I'm aware you've remained calm even in face of my accusations- that is appreciated. Finally, I appreciate that copyright concerns may be extremely minor within the arenas that you are are editing, (in the same way that I know that 90% of heavy metal bands couldn't care less if there is one of their publicity photos on Wikipedia tagged as being public domain, for instance) but Wikipedia's image policies are there for a reason, and it is in our best interests to follow them. Thanks for seeing this through and, again, apologies if I have behaved inappropriately at any time. If I can be of any help in regards to image licensing, feel free to contact me. J Milburn (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, one last clarification- images cannot be assumed to be public domain until their owners specifically say so. Simply publishing images without copyright notices does not bring them into the public domain in the eyes of US law, which is what Wikipedia's definition of 'free' is (mostly) based upon. J Milburn (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Syed,

I'm trying to update Calendar date. When Pakistanis write dates with numerals only, is it true that both the year first (2008-11-16) and day first (16-11-2008) formats are used? Does it make any difference if you're writing in Urdu, English, or Panjabi? Is the US month-first system ever used?

Thanks, kwami (talk) 22:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is notability brother. The institution of the Ayatollah and Marja are rather new, 300 years old, but they've had profound influence on Shi'a Islam. At least 60% of Shi'a Muslims adhere to Usuli Twelver Shi'a Islam, hence do taqleed under an ayatollah. The concept of the the Five Martyrs is new, and not many Twelver Shi'a even know about it. In fact, I don't believe it's a concept as much as simply a book by a scholar. Even if all the groups respect these individuals, they don't have a concept of the the Five Martyrs, and like I said, it doesn't seem to have existed till recently and still isn't diffused among all Twelver Shi'a. I do respect you for not adding them back in there without stating your reasons first. I was even hesitant of the the Five Martyrs article should even exist. At most, if we do prove the Five Martyrs are notable, we should just link to the article itself, not each individual person. If we listed them, we may as well list all those who died at the Battle of Karbala. --Enzuru 00:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salam Br. Syd Nedian, sorry for the hasty deletion. Inshaalla I'll try my best to modify diligently.

Bro, welcome to Wikipedia! I agree with you that Sayyed Moosa as-Sadr was not a marja, but deleting content from wikipedia in a hasty manner is not a good practice, especially there have been conflicts on hasty deletions from this list. If we follow this practice, almost everyone from this list will be deleted, so please have discussion on the article's discussion page before deleting content.

Recently few sections of article have been removed. These sections were based on Martin Lings' work, reason cited was that Lings is not a historian and was just a writer.

But same article quotes Wafa Sultan who is a psychatriat.

The difference seems to be is that Lings quotation were in support of Muslim view while Wafa's are against.

I think a discussion is needed over this issue.

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 13:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and good day

you claim : "deleting content from wikipedia in a hasty manner is not a good practice, especially there have been conflicts on hasty deletions from this list." i have to add : neither adding a content without even looking at the Discussion page! please read the talk page,i put the sources and we can discuss there.

thank you 17:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

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Hello Nedian!

As you know there is a discussion going on Talk:List of marjas for ordering of list of Maraji. The discussion has advanced since you last took part it in. We want you to join the discussion as you are one of the oldest & highest contributor to the article so that an understanding is reached on the issue. Hoping to you on the Talk page.

If you don't want to participate please inform on my talk page.

Thanx!

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi^talk! 10:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus[edit]

Salam Syed Nedian, Faizhaider and myself have decided that it is time to try and reach a consensus for the issues raised in the maraji talk page. Hopefully, we will hear from you there.--عيسى (talk) 10:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Salam Nedian,

We are missing you in the final discussions at Maraji List article. I think you have taken a bit long holiday for Bakr'eid. :) --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 08:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What could you contribute?[edit]

1. Funds for renting the Seminar room in Central library (DHA); (Rs. 3,000/)
2. Overhead projector
3. Laptop with wireless Internet connection

--Saqib ^talk 11:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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As'Salam Alai Kum!

I have updated List of maraji‎'s deceased list please have look on it. It needs enhancement & updations.

Looking forward for your cooperation & assistance.

Was'Salam!

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 10:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Salam!

Can you translate the left hand side calligraphy on the following image of Humayun's tomb - File:Humayun Tomb.JPG, or guide to someone who could. Thanks!--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 09:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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