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This has been broached occasionally in the past, but never really dealt with head-on: it doesn't make much sense for Thiel to be identified as German-American. The article doesn't even really mention Germany other than as his place of birth, and there are sources (e.g. [1]) stating that he's not a German citizen. Tserton (talk) 15:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tserton: The wording in that source is dubious. There are other sources that clearly state he has German citizenship, for example this op-ed:
WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the question of whether he's a German citizen is unclear. In general, I assume billionaires can afford the types of lawyers who can get around Germany's formerly restrictive citizenship laws, but that's pure conjecture. But it's also beside the point. The articles that do mention his secondary citizenship(s) describe them as a curiosity (in the case of NZ) or when discussing his early biography in detail (in the case of Germany). His German citizenship, if he has it, isn't relevant to his notability, anymore than his New Zealand passport is. He grew up in the U.S., and his notability stems exclusively from his tech career and political activism there. Tserton (talk) 20:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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change returnied to returned 192.55.54.48 (talk) 01:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 02:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The last sentence of paragraph 1 at Peter Thiel#Early life and education is grammatically incorrect. Please amend the sentence to say Thiel eventually became a U.S. citizen, losing his German citizenship in the process. 50.78.239.189 (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Squeakachu (talk) 16:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Thiell is a German citizen - no idea why this isn't mentioned. You can verify this on the other translations of this page, or googling it online. As a result of this, and his personal connection to the country, I think German-American entrepreneur would be most suitable. Maxmibsb (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is also a New Zealand citizen. Given he has three citizenships, it's best to mirror the consensus taken on Elon Musk, which has an FAQ on the talk page which clarifies: Musk is a US citizen (since 2002) born and raised in South Africa, and also acquired Canadian citizenship via his mother. Including these nationalities in the opening sentence in a balanced way would be complex, and the consensus is that they should instead be explained later in the lead.
So, German can certainly be incorporated into the page (e.g. in the info-box re: citizenship and page body) but it doesn't need to be referred to in the lead sentence.
Zenomonoz (talk) 10:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zenomonoz The article says he was born in Germany but later lost his citizenship, sourced to a 2018 interview. WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 15:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I could’ve checked that. But certainly speaks against calling him German-American. Zenomonoz (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewing the translated archive of the interview, I fail to find an explicit statement that Thiel lost German citizenship. He says that he could not keep his German passport when he got an American one. Is this a translation issue? WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 12:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

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He is German-American, as he is German of ethnicity and was born in frankfurt in germany. I can't change it because the page is protected. DonaldDuck2001 (talk) 21:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now he's been re-categorized as a "naturalized New Zealand citizen", which is patently ridiculous as he has barely spent a month in New Zealand his entire life, and has no intention of living there permanently. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MaxBrowne2 If that's what the reliable sources say, then that's what we have to work with. To my understanding, if a citizen of a country was not born there, that situation is usually due to some naturalization process. WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 12:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While RS's say he was granted NZ citizenship, they do not use the word "naturalized", which implies that someone actually lives in the country. "Naturalized US citizen" is accurate. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MaxBrowne2 You seem to disagree with the recent category merger; this is really beyond the scope of the Thiel article. You could try starting a discussion at WT:CAT, if I understand correctly, but I don't have much experience with categories. WeyerStudentOfAgrippa (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got a reliable source that calls him a "naturalized New Zealand citizen?". No, didn't think so, nor does it occur anywhere in the article text, and the description is frankly offensive to actual New Zealand citizens. No you don't understand correctly, they can merge categories if they want, but it can have unintended consequences. It's not a debate I want to get involved in. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 19:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "Thiel played Dungeons & Dragons, was an avid reader of science fiction, with Isaac Asimov and Robert A. Heinlein among his favorite authors." to "Thiel played Dungeons & Dragons and was an avid reader of science fiction, with Isaac Asimov and Robert A. Heinlein among his favorite authors." Currently, the use of a comma implies that the sentence will comprise a list of 3 or more clauses, but it is instead just two connected without any conjunction. Omoutuazn (talk) 03:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Left guide (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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