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I have a bit of a problem with the first paragraph of the article which says "to refrain from drinking alcohol, using tobacco products, and taking recreational drugs". Drinking alcohol and using tobacco products are taking recreational drugs. Its not abstainting from those 3 things. 2 of those things are a part of the 3rd thing. A more accurate (and less misleading) way to say it would be "to refrain from taking recreational drugs including drinking alchohol and using tobacco products". Adimus28 (talk) 20:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, and would accept it being reworded like that. It's important that we include the alcohol and tobacco reference however as these days they are so mainstream a lot of people do not associate them as recreational drugs, even though they are. --Freikorp (talk) 06:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i strongly disagree with the redirecting of things such as positive hardcore and "posicore" to this article. not all positive hardcore bands are straight edge, and not all straight edge bands are positive. Shattered Realm, positive? xfilesx, positive? no.

sort it out. 90.196.216.109 (talk) 07:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Straight edge refers to a lifestyle and scene that started within the hardcore punk subculture whose adherents abstain from alcohol, smoking, and other recreational drug use, except in the summer."

Except in the summer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.13.132 (talk) 10:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC) yeah umm im pretty sure its a life long commitment with no summer breaks..... MAU MAU 16:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can I suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion as a way of resolving this? Millichip (talk) 11:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You be the third Opinion here then, which version is better? His huge cluttered one? or my short, neat and clean one? Correctus (talk) 07:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I might well be the wrong person to comment. I've no more than a passing interest in sXe - and all through Minor Threat etc. I've contributed to your version in that light. And the other editor's beef is that there is too much of an obsession with Minor Threat/ Mackaye. Which shows how little I know about the 'movement' now and reminds me how little I care about it. I couldn't tell what is clutter, and what isn't, without a lot of research. Priority is to have a stable article, I'd say. Sorry not to be more helpful, but I think I might just muddy the water a bit. Millichip (talk) 08:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article still has some of the NPOV problems it seems to have been thought of as having in some of the older posts on this page. It's clearly been written by people who are more familiar with the lifestyle, but the tone taken in the article is too familiar and involves too many disclaimant or footnote remarks like "Straightedge is a philosophy, not a religion..." etc. It sounds biased in parts and almost seems persuasive elsewhere. I flagged in for cleanup so hopefully people will try to edit out some of this and add more citations. Cwilli201 00:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thought I should add as well: words like "personal choice" constitute "weasel words," I would think. Cwilli201 00:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this really needed? Ted Nugent is also a legendary gun lover, and an active member of the N.R.A. (this in no way suggests that drugs chill you out)[3] What does that have to do with sXe? Tappanga (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this article seems to skim over a very important time in the history of straight edge music. it makes brief mention of the 1990s, but should XxXSTRAIGHT EDGEXxX that really brought straight edge into the mainstream, like Earth Crisis, Strife, and Ten Yard Fight etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.63.79 (talk) 02:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the page it says that marking people's hands with an X if they were underage never caught on, however this is a fairly common thing as far as I know (in New York they do it, I don't know about other states). It should be noted, in the article that today, many bars and clubs which are open to people who are 18, mark the hands of the underage in some way, and often it is just an X (sometimes it is a special stamp though, it does depend on the place). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.195.159 (talk) 03:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I think about it, I've always been marked on the rare occasion I've been let into bars. I don't know that this is relevant to Straight edge proper though. It seems like the part you're referencing is referring to that particular era in DC area clubs. I've always been given a neon colored wristband instead of an X. Marking is common, but it doesn't really have much to do with straight edge. --Gimme danger 07:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

need to get rid of the term "Straight Edgers" it's simply Straight edge..

its not johnny is a straight edger

its Johnny is straight edge

Kidd13 21:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I use both. It doesn't really matter. Sion 14:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you used the correct english you would stick to straight edge

In the article, the following is stated:

     An 'X' on the back of the hand is a common straight edge symbol.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe many people write X's on their hands to show they are straight edge. These are mainly used in bars and clubs for all-ages shows so that the bar will deny them alcohol. The only thing i have seen similar to this is glovelettes with the xXx on them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.199.195.65 (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They do. The practice of Xing up (writing the Xs on your hands in bold marker) started with the bars and clubs doing that to designate a person as underage. It's quite common. Sion 14:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All this debating and arguing with each other isn't getting anything accomplished. The fact is this article clearly needs some revision as far as the lack of neautrality in its language is concerned.

The large majority of this information can still be retained without making it seem biased or denegrating into revert or edit wars.

As such, I've begun work on it (but it's obviously going to take a while). I took the opening and I'm pretty sure the result is somethign that should satisfy all parties while taking in mind that this is an encyclopedia. --ScreenwriterJeb

Thank you. That was some nice work. --Gimme danger 03:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following is moved from my talk page, since I think it will be of more interest here.

The criticism section seems to have fallen flat, which is surprising. How hard is it to find someone panning straight edge in the press, alternative or mainstream? I have a bunch of other projects in the air right now and don't feel like dredging through that sort of schlock. But I think the only way to breathe life into the criticism section is to find examples of people actually criticising straight edge. I seem to recall some good interviews with MacKaye that might give up some good material.--Gimme danger 23:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe that the criticism section should be brought back up, it's a relevant section that could easily be filled, those who drink caffeine are just as corrupt from straight edge as those who enjoy other legal and illegal stimulants. --FiftyOneWicked 14:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Verse is not a straight edge band, but has straight edge members and non edge members.

Criticism section is now deleted. I've heard a lot of shit talked about straight edge folks by people I know (to the tune of "I had a party at my house and some straight edge faggots came in and vandalized my house"), but a criticism section really needs citations so that type of thing won't do. --ScWizard (talk) 21:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(a)No one has decided anything, and (b): you do not have the right to change an article based on how you feel (we are trying to make a non-biased article). Accept:I think it would add more to th article.--71.126.59.54 (talk) 07:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am hereby requesting a banner for users to put in their user page to signify they follow a straight edge lifestyle. PayneXKiller 22:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's short, it has some historical perspective (which it didn't at one point), a lot of it's cited.P4k 08:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or a rocker. Or tattoed. Or anything like that. Is there another article relevant to people who are abstinent to drugs/alcohol, but otherwise "look normal" (i.e. dress like your typical office worker). What would that be called? - Theaveng 11:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

> Straight Edge has a direct connection to punk/hardcore, I think Teetotalism comes close to what you are looking for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teetotalism - User: Unkown 7:53, 28 September 2007 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.159.100.225 (talk)

>You don't have to dress punk to be punk, but you do have to be punk/hardcore, or at least associated with a hard rock counterculture to be straight edge.

> Not really, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Francis is a hip hop rapper but he considers (or at least used to) himself straight edge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kravhimikat (talk • contribs) 21:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't listen to anyone who tells you you have to listen to punk music in your free time in order to be straight edge. Yes the term straight edge was coined by a hardcore band, but that doesn't mean you have to like that band. Minor Threat have said themselves that straight edge does not have a set of rules. Non-one died and left someone in control of telling everyone else what you have to listen to to be straight edge. Freikorp (talk) 01:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the introduction to include abstaining from casual sex as one of the main straight edge values, but said that this part was often ignored. while it is not always included, it was, without question, one of the original straight edge values. I suppose my main source would be from the Minor Threat song Out of Step "I don't drink/I don't smoke/I don't fuck". Also, hardline straight edge is not the term for straight edge with a gang mentality. hardline means traditional straight edge, sex included (sometimes even celibacy), veganism, no caffeine, and oftentimes no proscription drugs. the militant form of straight edge is often referred to as "hate-edge," though this is obviously more of a derogatory, jocular term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtbob12 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, once again for the millionth time, hardline is something completely different from what you just said. read instead of just saying the same narrowminded/wrong crap as everyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.246.234.91 (talk) 01:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hey there, this is henning and I am running www.straight-edge.net for about 10 years now. It has become a nice archive with videos, bands, lyrics, reviews and so on concerning straight-edge. we have grown to a ca. 3000 user community so far.

Is there any chance straight-edge.net could be mentioned as an external link/resource here in this article? Would be great.

thanx and stay true henning

henning@imosh.de —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpurebloodx (talk • contribs) 08:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--65.54.98.104 03:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)I think it would be interesting to see more information about the positive aspects of straight edge. I used to run Concert Committee at Southampton College in the 90's, and a group of us-some who DJ'd at the radio station WPBX, who were straight edge, sponsored straight edge concerts. It was a great way to throw a fun, clean music show or straight edge rave, and we didn't have to worry about people getting sick or driving drunk. Also, I would like to know if there are any female bands out there. It seemed the focus was mainly on the aggressive male bands towards the end. I know that our shows were diverse and peaceful. I think it's hypocritical to be Straight Edge and then go out and hurt people. -DJ Banshee65.54.98.104 03:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Violence and straightedge have nothing to do with eachother one way or the other. straightedge isn't inherently violent or nonviolent. If you're looking for female straightedge bands check Walls of Jericho, Gather, This Time Tomorrow, Kingdom, and I know there are others but those are the first that come to mind. -d

I'm editing this page to make it stop furthering the idea that being hardline is just being militantly straightedge and linking to the actual hardline page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.85.110 (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"It has been rumored* that more well known idols such as Dane Cook and Davey Havok (lead vocalist of the Rock Band AFI) lead a straight-edge life style.

As Ian MacKaye and Porcell were considered the leaders of the straight-edge movements in their day- today Pat Flynn of Have Heart is considered the "King Of The Edge"."

I think it would be wise to delete this part, Straight Edge doesn't have leaders, it is not an organized group or anything. Also rumors don't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia. 85.159.100.225 (talk) 07:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FallOut Boy, so why was Pete Wentz snapped in trendy clubs drinking? Wrong facts don't make wikipedia cool...Guns2006 (talk) 15:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure Davey is, but not Dane. I know Andy from FoB is vegan, not sure about edge though. Emmure 89 (talk) 20:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~Davey Havok has publicized his straight edge lifestyle in practically every interview he has ever taken part in; he is also strictly vegan. Bandmate (AFI and Blaqk Audio) Jade Puget also follows the straight edge lifestlye and veganism. --68.193.163.234 (talk) 19:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC) (Divya da animal LVr...not logged in...sorry)[reply]

> Andy Hurley is straight-edge and Pete Wentz once was... I don't know what's up with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.7.221.194 (talk) 20:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

> Pete Wentz once was? If you're not now, you never were. User:hsxeric (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The following was moved from the History section of the article:

(edit: I disagree with these comments, and actually quite a bit of the below as well. I don't see where there was ever separation between straight edge and punk rock culture. Straight edge was always one of the many different subcultures of punk rock as a way of opposing the common degenerate rock lifestyle. Also, these "eras" are a bit misleading in my opinion and I disagree with labeling them. Yes, the straight edge movement has evolved as time has passed, but I wouldn't say there were different "eras", only bands taking different influences, this rubbing off onto another band, and so on. At the same time, you would have a more "new school" influenced band and an "old school" influenced band. Also, it has always been common for straight edge bands to play with non-straight edge bands. Granted often there would be a straight edge show with all bands leading that lifestyle, but the way it is portrayed below makes it sound like the two never mixed, which was clearly not the case.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.143.171 (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have also heard people referring to straight edge as no drugs, alcohol, or premarital sex. Should this be added, or is it too uncommon? Thudunder (talk) 02:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The introduction covers that issue pretty well I think.EchetusXe (talk) 11:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd add it but whatever MAU MAU 16:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MauMau4life (talk • contribs)

Promiscuity should be added to the definition of straight edge, not the "considerable debate" part. Because in the Minor Threat song "Out of step" Ian says, "don't drink, don't smoke, don't FUCK" That's also what the three X's stand for: don't drink, don't smoke, don't fuck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.73.34 (talk) 03:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True, the Minor Threat song did mention abstaining from sex, but Minor Threat did NOT invent the straight edge lifestyle. Therefore, their rules are NOT the rules of straight edge. And the Xs are for tobacco, alcohol, and drugs. - User:hsxeric —Preceding comment was added at 01:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The x's stand for the three stars in the washington DC flag taken from the artwork from minor threat show flyers, there is no greater meaning to them.70.17.64.52 (talk) 02:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True, that is where the Xs came from originally, but over time they have been adopted as meaning alcohol, tobacco, and drugs by many edge people. Hsxeric (talk 10:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

source? 70.17.64.52 (talk) 17:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Out Of Step" is the source. To claim that one Minor Threat song gives the whole theology its name yet another does not define it is ridiculous. "Don't Drink, Don't Smoke, Don't Fuck." It's clear and simple. Those 3 values make the 3 X's. Those are not the hardline ethics, hardline is much more. 12.37.4.82 (talk) 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again though, Minor Threat did NOT invent the straight edge lifestyle, just the term. Therefore, they did NOT define what it means. Hsxeric (talk 12:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Out of step also said "this isn't a set of rules" and says that playing golf is dumb too. You sure the third x isn't about not playing golf? 70.17.64.52 (talk) 02:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dammit. I played golf the other day. I guess I broke edge? Hsxeric (talk 2:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Professional Wrestlers are not athletes, as their job does not entail competition in an athletic event where the outcome is unknown. Athletes do not participate in fixed competitions. While their job may entail their being in athletic shape and doing things only athletic people are able to do, the same may be said of ballerinas, stunt men, acrobats, and magicians. None of these are athletes, yet they may be athletic.

Therefore, I changed CM Punk to an entertainer, not athlete.

                I think many people would consider dancers and acrobats athletes.  Being an entertainer doesn't exclude you from being an athlete either, as professional athletes are entertainers.  I'm not                 
                advocating a change on the page, just pointing out that you've quickly dismissed a huge debate. 130.127.3.249 (talk) 16:39, 24  
                July 2008 (UTC)JML

I was handing around a pack of chocolates (a bag of Revels) when my straight edged friend smacked the packet out of my hand in disgust and told me that it was in no uncertain terms 'straight' to eat chocolate. We were sort of stunned and went quiet for a moment frankly and didn't mention it again. I could understand in refusing the coffee creme, but is chocolate now not straight? What chapter do you think she belongs to? OoohOoohAaah (talk) 22:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

None, she's just trying to be cool. and failing, because being straight-edge for many years I have NEVER heard of that. She probably got it from role models. Guns2006 (talk) 15:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since caffeine naturally occurs in cacao and chocolate is made from cacao, your friend might have been upset at the fact that you were trying to give her a 'drug'. I know a lot of straight edge people who were caffeine free, in addition to the big guys (alcohol, cigarettes, narcotics, etc). Chilly grillz (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From the sound of it however, her reaction and the attitude, she probably copied it from people she's seen as straight edge, thinking it's a trend though Guns2006 (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

for a musical history lesson on this, check out Good Clean Fun - "sweet tooth", a humorous account on the 1990s debate on whether sugar was vegan or not... also some sxe people think that everything that makes your body feel good is not sxe. chocolate is yummy, can't be sxe... for some people it is just a purity contest... 190.22.65.194 (talk) 20:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

However ridiculous it is to label a subculture a gang in comparison to the Latin Kings, The Crips or Bloods or some sort of Mafia is it happening and police are trying to connect bits and pieces of criminal behaviour to the entire subculture I think there should be a section in here at least mentioning this http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4084079 http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/3/2/9/9/p32993_index.html

I am surprised to see that veganism does not appear as a core straight edge value. On the other hand, there is no sign of debate about it. Unless there is any objection, I plan to add it as a central theme to the article. -- M L (talk) 04:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

better idea: why don't you start ab article on vegan straight edge? most sxe people are NOT vegan, quite a lot aren't even vegetarian. some are raw foodists or fruitarians. veganism is NOT part of straight edge. however there is a certain subgroup of vegan sxe people and bands that deserve attention. vegan sxe bands would be for example earth crisis, purification, purified in blood, gather, seven generations and many others. a symbol for vegan sxe is "XVX". there has been a first ave of vsxe in the 1990s and we currently experience a second wave with new bands. vsxe is related to ideas of earth liberation, animal liberation and sometime crimethinc. on the other end of vsxe there would be hardline and muslim vsxe. 190.22.65.194 (talk) 20:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not pleased with the recent edits that have been made. The link to the history of Straight Edge has been deleted and now redirects to this article. Also some serious edits have taken place without "evidence" or links to other articles that justify the edits. I have never heard Veganism being a part of the core for straight edge. Some are vegan, some are vegetarian and some or not. But there is not a single piece of evidence that shows that Veganism is a core part of Straight Edge. I think we should revert to an previous version or maybe even redo the whole article. 85.159.97.6 (talk) 12:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• An editor redirected History of straight edge here because that article was pretty much an exact duplication of content that already appears here. I don't see anything in the article that says veganism is "part of the core" of straightedge. However, the lead paragraph does say: "Some people in the straight edge movement embrace a vegetarian lifestyle and others abstain from all animal products, a philosophy known as veganism. These two choices are considered add-ons to the straight edge lifestyle and are not essential aspects of the movement."' That seems pretty accurate.Spylab (talk) 13:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Straight Edge is typically referred to as a lifestyle in which followers abstain from the use of Drugs, Alcohol and from casual sex, which stands for being in a sexual relationship with someone without being serious about it. Some hardliners are also vegan and abstain from caffeine consumption. Some do it just to be cool."

Is the bolded part really needed? Oh and no BTW, Veganism is not a core value of straight edge. (13Tawaazun14 not signed in)00:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just remove junk like that without posting in the talk page that you have done so. Stupid stuff gets posted on wikipedia all the time, just undo the edit next time. EchetusXe (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since there has been lots of adding and deleting recently of CM Punk as a straight edge personality, I figured I'd open this topic to discussion among us all. The last addition of CM Punk was deleted with the edit tag: "CM punk has no relevance or importance to straight edge. the article isn't about individuals who are straight edge." This being said, should there be a new section added to the page titled "Straight Edge Individuals" or should this be given it's own page entirely? Or is there such a lack of notable straight edge followers that such a list would be unecessary? Thoughts? Hsxeric (talk 15:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If we're going to list almost every notable band that has followed this lifestyle, why not make mention of those notable individuals that do so as well? What makes these bands more important than the individual people also follow the lifestyle? I'd also have to say that CM Punk is probably more publicly-known than most of the bands that are listed here, and would probably have more of an effect of making people aware of the straight edge lifestyle right now. As far as an addition goes, a section on this article would be more suitable, unless we can get enough reliable sources to make a list with the length of, say, List of vegetarians. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 06:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

because what cm punk is doing is using straight edge as a marketing gimmick to further his wrestling career. It's already outlined in his own wiki. What he does in the WWE has no impact to what is going on within straight edge at all. He has no direct involvement in what is going on, unlike bands, so why list him? 70.17.64.52 (talk) 12:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He uses it as part of his wrestling gimmick yes, but he actually does follow the lifestyle outside of the ring; it's not just something he does on camera to sell himself. Note the sentence you cite: Throughout his career, Punk has consistently used the gimmick of being straight edge, a lifestyle he follows in real life. Certainly there's enough room on this article for people who follow the lifestyle, and Punk is (despite your claims otherwise) one of those followers. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 19:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and that's exactly my point, all he does is use if for a marketing gimmick. He very well may actually be straight edge in his "real life", but he has no interaction or involvement with the movement/lifestyle as a whole, therefore mention here as opposed to the wiki entry about him doesn't really make such sense. 70.17.64.52 (talk) 20:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

well what does one need to do to "interact" or be "involved with the movement?" I thought straight edge was a lifestyle, not a platform for social change. afterall, we aren't out to try and convert people or anything like that. Hsxeric (talk 2:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

have you listened to the lyrics of most straight edge songs? It's all about social change, just not necessarily forcefully. If it's just a lifestyle choice and not about social change, the what's the point of it existing and then how is it any different from simply being drug free? If someone wants to point out where CM Punk has done anything more with the straight edge community than just calling himself straight edge and having tattoo's then I'll change my tune, but until then, my opinion stands. 70.17.64.52 (talk) 11:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand where you're coming from. Personally, I don't know a thing about CM Punk, but being a popular WWE wrestler, chances are that kids out there are affected and influenced by him. Just think about wrestling fans who don't listen to hardcore and may have never heard of straight edge. Because of him, they probably now know what it is. Sure, I can't prove this, but how can you prove that he hasn't influnced anyone? Hsxeric (talk 10:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying he made people aware of the "label" straight edge both for the good and bad i.e. his gimmick of "straight edge means I'm better than you", what I am saying is that his being straight edge is covered in his own wiki and that his gimmick has no impact on what is happening in straight edge today. 70.17.64.52 (talk) 00:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "saying straight edge and drug free but most dont know if it is just his gimmick or that he actually is straight edge." Try to keep the material NPOV please and avoid weasel words. Livewireo (talk) 03:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only straight edge record labels that currently exist are Double Crossed (UK), and Seventh Dagger (US). I do NOT work for Seventh Dagger yet for some reason this information keeps getting deleted. Straight edge record labels are just as important if not more important than the straight edge bands that are currently active members of the edge community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.37.4.82 (talk) 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and what are you basing that statement on? Neither of those labels are the first no are they the only labels that ever existed. 70.17.64.52 (talk) 01:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The site's also not a place to spam links for the label. If the label meets the notability guidelines, then create an article about it and put the link in there, but otherwise stop spamming this article with it. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 04:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commitment records from Holland is also a straight edge label for over ten years now and there are multipule other examples. Also I think the list of bands in the Era 2000 section isn't representative for that area, I see some bands listed that have little or no relevance and are probably added by fans of those bands but they dont represent a real view of the most important bands from this era. 85.159.97.5 (talk) 06:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are also a whole bunch of Vegan Straight Edge labels, such as New Eden Records and xCatalystx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.100.59 (talk) 05:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The New main picture for the article is a little amateurish and frankly doesn't represent the straight edge culture too accurately. Perhaps something like a well known and reputable album cover from a iconic edge band, like Ten Yard Fight, of Earth Crisis would be more appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgelife (talk • contribs) 21:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After that line in the opening paragraph should we state what there is considerable debate over? I.e casual sex, caffeine, meat etc. I mention this as this may stop people who believe any or all of the above from adding it to the list of what all straightedge people abstain from. As far as I can tell everyone only agrees on alcohol/smoking/drugs. I had one edge guy tell me I couldn't drink soft drink, Minor Threat guitarist Brian Baker had a Coca Cola tattoo.--Freikorp (talk) 09:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand where he got that idea from, the only ingredients of soft drinks that some people don't believe to be "good" include sugar and caffeine - and I believe that coca-cola does (Hence the "coca"). Straight Edge means different things to different people. Your friend is right to think that, but it isn't a compulsory part of sXe. --rjcuk (talk) 10:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for agreeing with me, my point exactly, many things which are considered Straight Edge are not necessarily compulsory elements. As no-one has objected to my proposal, I have updated the page accordingly. Please discuss here before making any significant edits to the introduction. I firmly believe it is NPOV and is the most accurate description possible. --Freikorp (talk) 08:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I chug about 6 cans of pepsi a day so I think that cola exclusion is tarded PXK ^T /_C 21:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure Davey Havok and Jade Puget of the band AFI follow this; it says on their own Wiki articles. Should we add in a section for bands? If there already is one, whoops... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.163.234 (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is correct, I expected to see something about them in the article because they are two of the most recognizable straight edge people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.114.158.88 (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it seems that i'm the first to point this out, but isn't Straight Edge a lifetime commitment? shouldn't this be worth noting? and the fact that "sellouts" exist? now i'm not condoning this kind of behavior, because i have many friends that "used to be" straight edge
edit: i took it upon myself to add a "sellout" section, please discuss... —Preceding unsigned comment added by xdietryingx (talk • contribs) 17:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The use of "lifetime" in the opening sentence is what made me check this talk page. I'm not straight edge, but most of the people I know that had claimed to be straight edge diverged it. Many seem to say they're committed at the time, but as time progresses (or they can legally drink), they relax the rules or give up the lifestyle completely. Because of my personal experiences, I would say it's hard to categorize it as a lifetime commitment, though actually followers may disagree.Ost (talk) 15:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree most people do not adhere to Starightedge for their entire life, but this does not change the fact that it is supposed to be a lifetime commitment. Marriage is supposed to be a lifetime commitment, dosn't mean it's going to turn out that way. --Freikorp (talk) 01:21, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My sister in law is dating a straight edge. Could some please give me a quick run down of what its all about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.13.16.138 (talk) 02:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, checkout the FAQ at the bottom of the article. I wouldn't be too worried.--Freikorp (talk) 20:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

where it is discussing the putting of X's before and after the name of a band it lists xDeathstarx. However, xDeathstarx is broken up as of April 4th, so perhaps a different straight edge band should be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.165.135.127 (talk) 07:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We need to consider changing the picture on the page. I don't know how to correctly, but It poorly represents straight edge in general as an in your face attitude put on display all over the place when its not. The caption is ridiculous as well. 173.23.4.187 (talk) 04:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can see your point, any suggestions for what we should replace it with? I have a fairly decent 'sXe' tattoo I could take a photo of if you think that would be slightly more appropriate :). --Freikorp (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be a picture of a band doing gang vocals with a group where the X's on their hands are clearly visible, and the caption should say "Straight Edge individuals regularly attend Hardcore Punk shows with bands that share the same philosophy, the X has become a de-facto symbol of Straight Edge" this would outline our connection with Hardcore and The X because I myself being straight edge,I have never really met anyone who is straight edge who goes to such lengths as the picture displayed. National Edge Day is coming up, and i'm seeing Have Heart's last show that day, I'll see if I can snap some pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.34.160 (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It does nothing to describe the other strands of straight edge (hardline, anyone?), half the mentioned bands do not even have an article, the description of the decades are absolutely abbysmal, and there are no explanantions for why people become straight edge. The main picture is BARELY true (X's on hands would be more appropriate). And I think it is missing some very crucial articles as well, such as

Health Benefits and Concerns
Ethics
Etymology
Terminology and Varieties

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dude018219293 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hardline isn't all that relevant. rather than bitching diy 02:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

promiscuous sex is another part of straight edge

I really think we need to find a compromise here, I agree the majority of Edge people I know refrain from promiscuous sex but I know some who don't. It goes with the whole Straight Edge never having a set of rules. No-one died and left someone in control of telling everyone else what Straight Edge is or isn't. Freikorp (talk) 10:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was doing some research for the veganism article, and dug up some sources which help this article more than ours. See: Talk:Veganism#sXe.2Fpunk. Kellen^T 17:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 2 ("Minor Threat Sleevage")has nothing to do with why three Xs are the symbol of straight edge. Guerillero (talk) 02:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]