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New Dreams (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Replace the section title 'literary arts' with 'language arts'.

 Not done Please explain why you want to make this change. Theroadislong (talk) 12:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the document due to it needing a citation of the definition of 'the arts'. Although having many hyperlinks to words in the definition it fails to prove its statement and would require a reader to look at many sources in order to fully conceptualize 'the arts'.

Manon1998 (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to link 4 items in the 1st paragraph under the HISTORY section:

Last sentence of text reads: "This is evident in, for example, the art of India, Tibet and Japan. Religious Islamic art forbids iconography, and expresses religious ideas through geometry instead."

"India", "Tibet", "Japan", and "Islamic" link to general articles about each, rather than relating to the actual topic (i.e. "Islamic art", "Tibetan art", "Japanese art", and "Islamic art"). Linking directly to those 4 specific subcategories of art forms from this page would be more helpful to the reader, in my opinion.

Source text would thus read:

This is evident in, for example, the art of India, Tibet and Japan. Religious Islamic art forbids iconography, and expresses religious ideas through geometry instead. Johnrobinrt (talk) 22:49, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 23:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In the "Classifications" section under "HISTORY", the first sentence, where it reads:

"...were taught in universities as part of the Trivium, an introductory curriculum involving grammar, rhetoric, and logic..."

Recommend you append after logic, "(also dialectic)".

Justification:

The word "logic" is hyperlinked to the article on logic. However, in the article on the Trivium (also linked here), the logic originally part of the Trivium is called dialectic. In the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium, under "Description" section, the division "logic" is introduced with "(also dialectic)", so my suggestion is based on following the same style as that article so the reader can see the link between "logic" as a broad field and the specific topic as it was originally known within the Trivium. Johnrobinrt (talk) 00:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: I narrowed the Logic Wiki-Link to point to the Logic article's History section on informal reasoning and dialectic.  Spintendo  09:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The arts → Arts – WP:THE gives two conditions which usually have to be met for an article title to begin with "The":

1. If a word with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same word without the article.
2. If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text.

Neither of these applies to "the arts" as a term. A distinction does need to be made between the arts and art, but those are already different words. As far as I can see the rationale for this article's title has never been discussed on the talk page, but it seems to have been so that the article titles "The arts" and "Art" would be as visually different from each other as possible. I would argue that "Arts" and "Art" are sufficiently different from each other, and better meet our naming conventions.

This has come about because of this proposal at CfD to rename Category:Arts to Category:The arts – partly for consistency with this article's current title, and partly because the phrase "in the arts" appears in other category names. However, I don't see any inconsistency between "Arts" as the title of an article or category, and using "the arts" where the term doesn't appear at the beginning of the title; WP:THE comes into play in the former case and not the latter. As this article's title is so important to that CfD discussion, I think it at least needs to be discussed. Ham II (talk) 10:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging BrownHairedGirl, Dimadick, El cid, el campeador, Grutness, Johnbod, Marcocapelle, Oculi and Peterkingiron, who've been involved in related CfD discussions; I'll also post this at WT:THE. Ham II (talk) 10:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. "The arts" is widely used even when the definite article is not required grammatically. I can see no benefit to readers or editors in deliberately creating ambiguity. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose I would say that the first criterion of WP:THE above is met: "If a word with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same word without the article". "Arts" without "the" might in many contexts be used for things like "arts of politics" and so on. In a large number of contexts omitting the "the" is a language error. You can't say "the year in arts" and so on (Bhg is understating this point above, imo) . As the nom says, those not used to the distinction with Art do find this a bit confusing, and removing the article will increase that. Johnbod (talk) 14:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  I've not seen much use of "arts of politics" myself, with or without "the" – "the dark arts of politics", possibly – and "the art of political persuasion" seems more likely than "(the) arts of" same. So I'm sceptical that there's any distinction to be made between "The arts" and "Arts" as encyclopaedic topics – they should definitely both have the same destination! The distinction is between "The arts" and "Art". Using "the" to emphasise the difference between two non-identical words might possibly be no bad thing, but it doesn't seem to be covered at WP:THE, and absent that "Arts" and "Art" look different enough to me.

  I agree that "in arts" (as opposed to "in the arts") is incorrect, but as I've said I don't see any contradiction between that and an article or category titled simply "Arts"; it isn't correct either to say "in United States", but United States is the article title. Ham II (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Given that we've gone to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, perhaps The Bahamas is a valid counterexample. Grutness...wha? 17:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  I would never have known before seeing how the name is used in the article text, but apparently The Bahamas satisfies condition 2 of WP:THE. Ham II (talk) 18:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per WP:THE. Starting an article title with the definite article is certainly discouraged. "The arts" and "Arts" are equivalent in English, and there is no need to have "The" in the title. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:36, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The definition section of the article uses "the arts" as the term used in the sources cited: "The term "the arts" includes, but is not limited to, music (instrumental and vocal), dance, drama, folk art, creative writing, architecture and allied fields, painting, sculpture, photography, graphic and craft arts, industrial design, costume and fashion design, motion pictures, television, radio, film, video, tape and sound recording, the arts related to the presentation, performance, execution, and exhibition of such major art forms, all those traditional arts practiced by the diverse peoples of this country. (sic) and the study and application of the arts to the human environment." "Arts" without the is nowhere defined. Dimadick (talk) 16:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per common sense. It's "the arts". Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per general usage. Also, WP:THE should apply, as "The arts" and "Arts" are not completely equivalent in English. "The arts" is the general collective noun; "Arts" is used primarily as a modifier in compound nouns (e.g., "Arts programmes", "Arts funding", "Arts Council", "Arts education"). Grutness...wha? 17:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Are Portal:Arts and Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts misnamed, then? Ham II (talk) 18:28, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes. Grutness...wha? 02:39, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]