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There seem to be more external links here than on other Wikipedia pages. I've already removed a few that I felt didn't have merit, but what about the others?

• Life Time Fitness Triathlon under the "legendary and well known events" heading
• Trifuel.com
• Triathlon Week
• Triaphoto
• Transition Times

All these sites are surely related to Triathlons and may have related content, but do they have some particular value that they add to the article... because I know of a lot of related triathlon sites that would fit just as easily at the bottom of the page. Oyejorge 8 July 2005 03:07 (UTC)

• TAN - Israeli Triathlon Website TAN - Israeli Triathlon website.

Sorry, going to have to remove that. Most people can't read hewbrew (though I'd like to, along with a million other things I'd like to be able to do!), and this is an english encyclopedia. So perhaps add it to the hewbrew encylopedia page? Mathmo 05:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will add these if anyone else agrees they belong here:

• Other famous events, current list is obviously Western U.S.A.-biased.

(My other suggestions removed, since they've been implemented)

IdahoEv 04:36, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Could maybe someone explain in more detail the rules of entering and leaving those "transition zones"? If I remember, there are some very strict rules, for example that you are NOT (or ARE?, I don't know) allowed to get off your bike, or maby it's the opposite, start riding the bike, before (or after?) crossing the line of transition zone? Failing to comply with those strict rules results in disqualification. Also, but again I'm not sure about it, those rules apply to running as well. Are you allowed to start running inside the transition zone or must it be after you cross the line?

Generally in US triathlons there is a mount/dismount zone outside the transition area. A competitor may not mount his/her bike in the transition area before reaching the mount zone. And, they must dismount before entering the transition area at the end of the bike leg. I don't know about a restriction on running. Maybe individual races impose that rule for safety, if the bike-to-run transition area is especially crowded or slippery. If you have other questions, I have found that beginnertriathlete.com is a great place to get detailed answers. FreplySpang (talk) 01:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To reason higher frequencies with the attempt to save energy for the running split seems to be obvious, but it´s not correct. Professionals at pure time trials use to cycle at high frequencies as well. High frequencies allow to keep a higher performance over a long period, as e.g. it can be seen at the Tour de France, where the best cyclists use frequencies between 90 and 100 rpm, while triathlets and duathlets usually cycle at frequencies between 70 and 95. A lower gear results in a lower force on the pedal and less necessary muscular endurance. Professional cyclists practises more to master the time trial in a region of 92-95 % of the max heart rate, while triathletes usually aren´t able to hold an anaerobe state for a long time on a bike (and of course they care about the following running split), resulting in a lower heart rate just below or slightly above the anaerobe threshold. In this state it is quite easier for the muscles to work as well with lower frequencies and higher forces, than on a stronger anaerobic level All in all tries the triathlete to save some energy for running decreasing the "final output", the power, cycling with lower heart rates.

I hope, I could make it understandable what I mean. Look to the average frequencies at the one-hour-record. (can´t find them in english right now). They are above 100.

But of course, just before the running part, the triathletes increase the frequency....but that´s not valid in general.

There are references, that Triathlon is based on a race in France during the 1920-1930's. That was called "Les trois sports",„La Course des Débrouillards“ and „La course des Touche à Tout“. Actually it is proceeded every year there near Joinville le Pont, in Meulan and Poissy. It´s quit anonymous, but there are articles in french newspapers about a race in Marseille (1927!!). The french newspaper L´Auto reports a competition since 1920, called „Les Trois Sports“ with a 3km run, 12km bike and a channel crossing of the river Marne. Those three parts were done without a brake. In 1934 there is an article in „Les Trois Sports“ of the city Rochelle about a race with a channel crossing (ca. 200m), a bike competition (10km) around the harbor of Rochelle and the parc Laleu then and a run (1200m) in the stadium André-Barbeau. There is a licence for Mr. Rene Taqué from Perpigan, year of issue 1927. Until the "re-invention" on Hawaii in 1978, it had been quite silent around that sport.

Some thoughts from Tiger Marc:

• I left the distances in meters unless the race originated in the United States (Ironman) or was derived therefrom (half-Ironman). In that case, I used the imperial system of measurement.
• I advocate leaving the sprint, Olympic, and ITU-Long distance races in meters only because that is how the race director would measure out those courses.
• The Ultraman does not belong in this list for two reasons:

1. 1. It could be argued that it is not a tri because there are breaks between each course.
   2. It is marketed as an ultra-endurance event on the Ultraman web site -- not as a tri.

• I do not capitalize words in the names column unless they are proper nouns.
• I limited the Notes column to information related to the distance or the name of the race format.
• Maybe this section should be called "Standard distances of various triathlon race formats."
• I stole this table format from the German version of the Triathlon article. Thanks, Germany!

--Tiger Marc 05:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The "Types of triathlon" section needs to be cleaned up. --Tiger Marc 05:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Michaelrccurtis removed a bunch of stuff with the note: removed repitition. However I'll put it back in because it does also remove a bunch of other information that is not included in the previous section, plus taking that part out means the next sentance doesn't make much sense. Still I do agree it needs to be fixed up a little with a bit removed. Just for me that will have to wait until after exams... Mathmo 00:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I had assumed the section was no longer needed. Perhaps the additional information could be added into the table? michaelCurtis ^talk+ _{contributions} 11:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "References" section needs to be turned into footnotes (ideally) or a bibliography if that cannot be done. --Tiger Marc 05:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Owen McGonagle? A quick google search produces no convincing evidence that he is truly a famous triathlete. [1]

This is getting a little large, perhaps seperate sections need to be made with links to them? Two good ideas for this would be famous events and a training page. Mathmo 00:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What makes a category redundent? Would one of the advantages of this being listed in the sports category be that people could go to the sports category and see a list of all possible sports there? Except.... we would nolonger be listed there.... Are we not a sport? Mathmo 04:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Rules section editorializes the authors opinion about the changing rules of Drafting in the sport of Triathlon. While I tend to agree with the author, it is clearly not within Wikipedia's NPOV stance for this section to say something like "Ultimately, drafting denies the viewer the spectacle of seeing through from start to finish the many individual stories of achievement ..." Who is Wikipedia to say whom has been denied anything?--Woodardj 20:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that this section is now much less POV than it used to be. I'll give this a few days for anyone to object, and then I'm going to remove the POV tag. How does that sound? --Rahzel 18:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the POV tag from this section. Please comment here if you disagree, and we can talk about it. --Rahzel 19:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree, it reads very nicely now. Good work.--Woodardj 12:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is becoming a list of every international triathlete! I have cut down a couple and I am inclined to do more. My criteria for the ones deleted was at least top 5 at an international event but this would include hundreds of people. So, either we cut the list down to a couple of well known triathletes who are distinguishable from other international athletes or we delete the list and just let people use the triathlete catagory. michaelCurtis ^talk+ _{contributions} 08:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As no one seems to be doing anything, I will delete this section next week if there are no objections. There should be a traithlete catagory, from which people can navigate to the links of the individuals - this section is simply too long, pointless and adds little to the article. michaelCurtis ^talk+ _{contributions} 20:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea! 74.132.197.96 03:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have now removed the section as there were no objections. The triathlete catagory sohuld now be used instead of just putting every person to have appeared in an international event on this page. michaelCurtis ^talk+ _{contributions} 12:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

=Photo suggestion

I think the main photo for this page should be a triathlete in transition (ie just out of the water getting their bike). I will try to get a photo next time I am at a triathlon.--Moonlight Mile 02:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]