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There are currently no "personal life" or "style of play" sections in the template, whereas most footballer articles have such a section; should we add one to the template? If so, where would the appropriate location be, above the "statistics" section? Thanks! Best, Messirulez (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sections should probably go 'Early and personal life' > 'Club career' > 'International career' > 'Style of play' > 'Career statistics' > 'Honours'. GiantSnowman 17:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think early and personal life should go together since events in personal life generally occur much later in their life. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But in a basic article nothing is really chronological. Club career events will extend beyond international ones, but will be above it in the article... GiantSnowman 18:20, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That may be true, but this is slightly different since having something occur so late in an "early life" section will be contracting its title, unlike the club career/international example. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:36, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you not displaying the goals on the subtotal row before the grand total row? Govvy (talk) 23:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please explain to me the basis for populating the honours section for a player? In particular, one-match tournaments like the UEFA Super Cup. For instance, Gareth Bale was present on the 25-man squad list submitted for this game (Cristiano Ronaldo was not on this list), he received the winners' medal, so how is it justified that he does not receive the credit in the honours section? He was not on the match-day squad, but he did no more/less than someone who was, but didn't play, like say Danilo or Rubén Yañez. The official Real Madrid page credits both CR and Bale with the trophy, which would make sense if you see it as "honours won while playing for X club". But upholding the match-day squad over all else seems a bit thin, after all, the guy literally has the winners' medal. That's proper evidence of the honour.

Apologies if this is the inappropriate place to seek this clarification. Archives are vast. —Tombstone5650 (talk) 05:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We reply on reliable sources to verify information. We need sources which explicitly state that a player has an honour, as simple as that. Being a squad member and making the assumption somebody has a medal is not enough. 07:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

There is a recurring edit debate, peaceful so far, over the article Dom Dwyer regarding his nationality. Dwyer is notable only as US soccer player, although he was born in England and played for English youth clubs before moving to the US and becoming a US resident, citizen, and (notable) professional soccer player. Like the vast majority of notable footballers, he has never played for any adult national team in a FIFA-recognized official match, which is the (claimed) standard. One editor claims that this page therefore implies that he should be listed as English, and not as US or English-American, and that this guideline prohibits hyphenated nationalities in opening paragraphs. First, is that the consensus on the Wikipedia guideline? If so, why? As I read them, the general guidelines for biographies permit compound nationality descriptions in the opening. Why have a different set of rules for footballers? Also, adult national team participation provides no guidance for the vast majority of individuals who will never participate at that level. Can't we come up with a different standard for determining nationality? Rks13 (talk) 15:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He should be listed as English. GiantSnowman 17:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the maximally unhelpful answer. So, to continue in that style, I'll ask a maximally unhelpful question: Why? Rks13 (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MOSBIO #context states "The opening paragraph should usually provide context. In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable."

The article clearly shows with references that he has aquired American citizenship, and he is fulfilling notability criteria as American, he should be listed as American.

The MOS also goes on to state "Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability"

As he was notable before he became American, it is correct to mention his English nationality, so English-American; unless there is reliable source showing he has renounced or otherwise surrended his English citizenship, in which case he should be listed just as American, or as English born American. ClubOranje^T 22:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is it appropriate to ommit the goals columns for goalkeepers?

In leaving in the goals columns for goalkeepers you end up with a table that can be very unreadable.

Yes there are occasions when goalkeepers have scored goals and when this occurs they should definitely be included.

Thoughts?

Graemec2 (talk) 09:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]