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It's simple:

- Goal keepers and defenders should have the number of clean sheets they've made listed beside the number of goals they've scored

- Midfielders should have the number of assists they've made also listed beside the number of goals

I think that could better represent their achieved stats besides the number of appearances they've made and their goals (even if they're not a striker) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.125.33 (talk) 10:22, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This has been already been discussed a lot of times with no changes in the consensus. I think the latest discussions can be found here and here. --Jaellee (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment the template contains a link to Soccerbase. This is inappropriate because the website is a betting agency and the link amounts to free advertising. It would be better to replace this with a link to Premier League, which is the official body. Michael Glass (talk) 12:27, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No - Soccerbase is considered a reliable source, and the Premier League website only covers Premier League games (unsurprisingly...). A better site would be Soccerway. GiantSnowman 12:31, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that Soccerway would be better than Soccerbase . I make no comment on the reliability of Scccerbase except to state that it is a betting site, and that is why it is questionable. I do not believe that it is proper to put such a link in the template, especially when there are other organisations that could be used in its place, including BBC Sport, Premier League and perhaps Soccerway. (Soccerway does carry betting advertisements, but it is not a betting site as Soccerbase appears to be Michael Glass (talk) 06:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We won't fall for that one Michael. We know the reason you hate Soccerbase is that it sticks to the British practice of using feet & inches and stones & pounds, as well as metric conversions, for player statistics; whilst your favoured premier league site atypically uses metric units only. Wikipedia should not be used for pushing your views on how the UK should be forced into using the metric system alone. Baaarny (talk) 21:17, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am very suspicious of Baaarny. This is the first of three edits made under that name as I write. The other two were to create a user page and user talk. I think that this is a sockpuppet account. Michael Glass (talk) 06:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think the template should include a link to any particular stats site at all. It's a leftover from the time when an external link to an appropriate stats site was considered sufficient for sourcing the player's infobox stats. Although many editors still think it's OK to do it that way, rather than either having a row-by-row-sourced career stats table or having one or more general references, in the References section, explicitly noted as source(s) for infobox statistics, it's not something we should be encouraging. Better to include generic ideas of what might be relevant: "link to player's personal website", "link to profile on current club's website", "link to full details of international career", whatever. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I support Struway2's proposal. We don't need a link to Soccerbase or any of the other possible links embedded in the template as if it's the prime source of all wisdom. We have Premier League, BBC Sports, Transfermarkt, Soccerway, Soccerbase and no doubt others that I am not aware of. All of them have their strengths and their weaknesses and arbitrarily singling out just one of them to put in the template doesn't seem to me to be warranted. Michael Glass (talk) 13:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would support removing one specific link. As a side note Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. GiantSnowman 15:44, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have now removed that link. Michael Glass (talk) 12:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re your edit summary: Just to clarify that although the passing observer might infer a causal relationship from the wording "Removed the link to the betting site following Struway2's suggestion", I'm sure you didn't mean to imply one. Struway2 never suggested removing a link to a betting site: you did. I suggested replacing all specific links with suggestions as to what sort of link might be appropriate, and will now proceed to do so. Struway2 (talk) 13:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies if my edit summary was misleading. I am glad that you have made your changes so promptly. Michael Glass (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While in most of articles about football players performing at international level, we can find "international statistics" section with apps and goals scored in particular years, I've been always missing a section where I could read how a player performed during international events. For that purpose I put some work to edit some articles I follow and created extra sections called "international events". It's based on a template used by NHL ice hockey players. I made that edit for 6 articles, here is the example of such a list for created for Neymar:

International events

Only major international events including the Olympic Games with U23 team

Year	Event	Place	Apps	Goals	Result	Individual
2011	Copa América	Argentina	4	2	QF
2012	Summer Olympics	London, England	6	3
2013	Confederations Cup	Brazil	5	4		Golden Ball, Dream Team, Bronze Shoe
2014	World Cup	Brazil	5	4	4th	Bronze Boot, Dream Team
2015	Copa América	Chile	2	1	QF

All the edits has been however reverted by Qed237 who believes that there is no need for such lists and that it's a POV in a way of describing "major" competitions. My idea is that the list gives a reader nice overview of how a player performed at international events, and that describing "major" events is quite easy in football. At international level we have youth, friendly, qualifying and "major" competitions where we have got FIFA World Cup, continental championships, FIFA Confederations Cup plus the Summer Olympic Games tournament being all official events under FIFA or respective confederations.

Please give me idea if a layout of such lists could exist for football players. Ksihoo 21:54 (CET), 14 October 2015

@Ksihoo: not many editors follow this subsection, I would recommend WT:FOOTY. Qed237 (talk) 15:03, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW I don't think these kind of stats tables should be added, per NOTSTATS. GiantSnowman 17:11, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Creating international events statistic section. Please comment there. Qed237 (talk) 19:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In a players' club honours section their are often links to domestic and international cup wins. Should the year given link to the article for the cup competition or the article for the final? After looking through the articles for the players on Arsenal and Man U I can't see a clear consensus. However most appear to link to the article for the entire competition, rather than the final, which makes more sense to me. Thoughts? Is there a discussion on this point somewhere I have missed? GiovanniSidwell (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My reason for asking is I recently modified Wayne Rooney's article to link to competitions rather than the final, and the change was undone with the comment "@PeeJay2K3: in English football, a player is not typically considered to have won a competition if he doesn't participate in the final (since the players in the final would usually have been the only ones to get medals" GiovanniSidwell (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are currently no "personal life" or "style of play" sections in the template, whereas most footballer articles have such a section; should we add one to the template? If so, where would the appropriate location be, above the "statistics" section? Thanks! Best, Messirulez (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sections should probably go 'Early and personal life' > 'Club career' > 'International career' > 'Style of play' > 'Career statistics' > 'Honours'. GiantSnowman 17:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think early and personal life should go together since events in personal life generally occur much later in their life. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But in a basic article nothing is really chronological. Club career events will extend beyond international ones, but will be above it in the article... GiantSnowman 18:20, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That may be true, but this is slightly different since having something occur so late in an "early life" section will be contracting its title, unlike the club career/international example. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:36, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you not displaying the goals on the subtotal row before the grand total row? Govvy (talk) 23:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]