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Kabali Film Grossing Is Still a doubt for me. It should merely cross 500 crores .. [[User:Haregovindraj18|Haregovindraj18]] ([[User talk:Haregovindraj18|talk]]) 13:26, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Kabali Film Grossing Is Still a doubt for me. It should merely cross 500 crores .. [[User:Haregovindraj18|Haregovindraj18]] ([[User talk:Haregovindraj18|talk]]) 13:26, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
:It is unclear what you are proposing or what the basis of your proposal is other than your feeling. Kabali's marketing team reported inflated values that Financial Express/Indian Express repeated without scrutiny. I'm some cases, they included satellite rights sales, which we ''never'' include box office figures, as box office figures means ''ticket sales''. IBT and Firstpost criticized the inflation, and none of the other mainstream Indian news sites (as far as I know) have since weighed in by acknowledging what they think Kabali's box office figures actually were. So you're free to disagree, but the only thing we know for certain is that Kabali cleared {{INR}}350 crore. Anything above 500 is suspect and would need to be supported by mainstream reliable sources. (Newspapers, no blogs like IndiaGlitz or Andhraboxoffice or Filmibeat... See [[WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources]]) [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 16:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
:It is unclear what you are proposing or what the basis of your proposal is other than your feeling. Kabali's marketing team reported inflated values that Financial Express/Indian Express repeated without scrutiny. I'm some cases, they included satellite rights sales, which we ''never'' include box office figures, as box office figures means ''ticket sales''. IBT and Firstpost criticized the inflation, and none of the other mainstream Indian news sites (as far as I know) have since weighed in by acknowledging what they think Kabali's box office figures actually were. So you're free to disagree, but the only thing we know for certain is that Kabali cleared {{INR}}350 crore. Anything above 500 is suspect and would need to be supported by mainstream reliable sources. (Newspapers, no blogs like IndiaGlitz or Andhraboxoffice or Filmibeat... See [[WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources]]) [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 16:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

== The Idea of having a section for female centric movies is strange ==

One of the references is an IMDB list, which merely reflects the views of one user. The other reference for the list is an India Today weblink which returns a 404 error. Female centric is arbitrarily defined in the list, with sleaze-fests termed as women-centric just because it was to the convenience of the maker of the list. An arbitrary list with original research is against wiki policies, if I am not wrong, and therefore I believe that the list should be purged from the page. [[User:PierceBrosnan007|PierceBrosnan007]] ([[User talk:PierceBrosnan007|talk]]) 05:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Baahubali in Tamil list of highest grossing

Baahubali is a Telugu film with Telugu actors,made by Telugus.


Baahubali: The Beginning was produced in Tollywood, the center of Telugu language films in India, which is based out of Hyderabad. The film series is touted to be the most expensive in India till date.In February 2011, S. S. Rajamouli announced that he would star Prabhas in his upcoming movie.[14]

-this is from Baahubali's own wiki page. It is not a Tamil movie and should not be in Tamil list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C4:4001:4748:DD9:5334:CD4B:BB3F (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed in depth before. See the talk page archives. This isn't a list of Indian films organized by ethnic film industries, this is a list organized by languages. Baahubali was filmed in multiple languages, so it's listed under both languages. Sorry if that conflicts with your worldview. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree with Cyphoidbomb on what he has said. It is a telegu film and should be removed out of Tamil section
Rahrumi (talk) 17:40, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently you don't agree with me, since I did not propose removing Baahubali from the Tamil list. The film was made in multiple languages, so it should be reflected in both. This was already resolved after a lengthy discussion. We're not here to puff up ethnic film industries. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Veer-Zaara removal

In this edit I removed Veer-Zaara from the Highest-grossing by year table. The BOI reference did not resolve and a quick check of Archive.org did not turn up a useful reference. The data was silently restored here by Taniya94, but there were no new references added, and the BOI link still did not resolve. Taniya did not respond to my comments on their talk page, so I have again removed the data as insufficiently supported. Per WP:BURDEN, the onus is on Taniya to provide an appropriate reference if the content is restored. I have found some info at Archive.org at this link, but 1) the data is a bit conflicting as there are two Gross values, and 2) the source does not say that the film was the highest-grossing film of that year, which presents an additional and significant problem. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kailash29792, Bollyjeff, and Charles Turing: and anyone else... I'm looking at this archive of a BOI report on Veer-Zaara. I'm having trouble understanding what is being communicated here because there are two "Total Gross" values, one significantly higher than the other. Also, since the data was being proposed for inclusion in a "Highest-grossing by year" table, do you have any thoughts about how we can determine if this film was the highest-grossing film of 2004? Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:00, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This says its the highest of 2004: BOI Bollyjeff | talk 19:37, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Forget that dead confusing source, there is a better written and a live url of it in BOI. For knowing the highest-grossing films in a given year, there is an option in BOI. See the 2004 list here. Both the sources tells only one gross value, 97 crore worldwide. The later reference will be useful in this case, as it cites Veer Zaara as the top grosser with figure. Hope this resolves the issue. --Charles Turing (talk) 19:58, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to both of you. The archived source from Bollyjeff indicates 58 crore. I'm not able to see the other sources, as BOI is having difficulty resolving, but I'll check later. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:40, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regional Languages films into a section

I propose the inclusion of all regional languahes films into a section "Highest grossing regional languages films". Including all (highest grossing films, highest grossing films by year, highest grossing franchise) in the same list is making it a hotchpotch. Please catagorize it. Taniya94 (talk) 05:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for opening a discussion. I don't think that "regional" is a strong idea, because it tends to redefine the scope of the article sections, which are focused on language. You run into problems with films that were produced in multiple languages when you redefine what "region" the film belongs to. What about "Highest-grossing films by language"? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:49, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is a very good idea. We can proceed with this. Thanks for responding. Taniya94 (talk) 09:33, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2016

24 the movie collected 157.10 crore it should be included in highest grossing tamil films. Lukman hakeem (talk) 14:54, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kotigob 2

Information icon Hello, I'm Shanthiniketan. As you said earlier that we should never be considered primary source (repoerted by producer/director/actor). And we can consider secondary sources ( reported by distributor, critics, etc.) And plz distinguish between blog and reliable source.

Shanthiniketan (talk) 16:31, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Shanthiniketan: I've explained this on your talk page. Reliable sources are mainstream publications like newspapers, magazines and books (as well as their online counterparts) that have established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy, and clear editorial oversight. If you don't know anything about a website or who runs it or who the editors are or what makes the people behind the site experts in a given field, then you shouldn't use the site. There is nothing about chitraloka.com (the site in question) that would lead us to believe that any expert is behind it. There's no About Us page, and visually it looks like every other content scraping site we see across the project. If you'd like to argue for its inclusion as a reliable source, you should consider opening a discussion at the Indian cinema task force and bringing along your arguments that support the idea that the source has an established reputation for fact-checking and accuracy and clear editorial oversight. See also our guidelines about user-generated content. Anyone can start a blog and a website, then publish whatever they want. The sheer existence of these sites doesn't mean that they are suitable as academic resources. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:31, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2016

Sreekrishna Girish (talk) 21:16, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali

Kabali Film Grossing Is Still a doubt for me. It should merely cross 500 crores .. Haregovindraj18 (talk) 13:26, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is unclear what you are proposing or what the basis of your proposal is other than your feeling. Kabali's marketing team reported inflated values that Financial Express/Indian Express repeated without scrutiny. I'm some cases, they included satellite rights sales, which we never include box office figures, as box office figures means ticket sales. IBT and Firstpost criticized the inflation, and none of the other mainstream Indian news sites (as far as I know) have since weighed in by acknowledging what they think Kabali's box office figures actually were. So you're free to disagree, but the only thing we know for certain is that Kabali cleared 350 crore. Anything above 500 is suspect and would need to be supported by mainstream reliable sources. (Newspapers, no blogs like IndiaGlitz or Andhraboxoffice or Filmibeat... See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Idea of having a section for female centric movies is strange

One of the references is an IMDB list, which merely reflects the views of one user. The other reference for the list is an India Today weblink which returns a 404 error. Female centric is arbitrarily defined in the list, with sleaze-fests termed as women-centric just because it was to the convenience of the maker of the list. An arbitrary list with original research is against wiki policies, if I am not wrong, and therefore I believe that the list should be purged from the page. PierceBrosnan007 (talk) 05:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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