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My comment on KoreaTown wikipage was eliminated by you. As for being neutral, I have an unpaid position with the association whose webpage was eliminated and redirected to Koreatown wikipage. This has happened to other neighborhood pages that have been reduced to Koreatown. This is a political issue about ethnic enclaves an identity. I appreciate the policing but registering my complaint about having our wikipage eliminated and redirected does deserve to have it comments protected. Where were you when our wikipage was removed and redirected to Koreatown wikipage?[[User:554938Wilshire|554938Wilshire]] ([[User talk:554938Wilshire|talk]]) 19:16, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
My comment on KoreaTown wikipage was eliminated by you. As for being neutral, I have an unpaid position with the association whose webpage was eliminated and redirected to Koreatown wikipage. This has happened to other neighborhood pages that have been reduced to Koreatown. This is a political issue about ethnic enclaves an identity. I appreciate the policing but registering my complaint about having our wikipage eliminated and redirected does deserve to have it comments protected. Where were you when our wikipage was removed and redirected to Koreatown wikipage?[[User:554938Wilshire|554938Wilshire]] ([[User talk:554938Wilshire|talk]]) 19:16, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Trying to help you out, I did a search in the LAPL files of the Los Angeles Times for "Wilshire Park," but I couldn't find any reference to it as an authentic neighborhood. Do you have other [[WP:Reliable sources]]? If you do, let me know, and I will write up an article about the neighborhood for submission. (It is listed as a Historic Overlay Zone, which is not a neighborhood, but simply a zone within a neighborhood.) Or, you can ask some other uninvolved person to do it. Best wishes, [[User:BeenAroundAWhile|BeenAroundAWhile]] ([[User talk:BeenAroundAWhile#top|talk]]) 19:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Trying to help you out, I did a search in the LAPL files of the Los Angeles Times for "Wilshire Park," but I couldn't find any reference to it as an authentic neighborhood. Do you have other [[WP:Reliable sources]]? If you do, let me know, and I will write up an article about the neighborhood for submission. (It is listed as a Historic Overlay Zone, which is not a neighborhood, but simply a zone within a neighborhood.) Or, you can ask some other uninvolved person to do it. Best wishes, [[User:BeenAroundAWhile|BeenAroundAWhile]] ([[User talk:BeenAroundAWhile#top|talk]]) 19:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== Wilshire Park ==

Thank you for the link - I am learning as fast as I can, but I am new at this. Your help is very much appreciated. I will tighten it up as suggested, change the tone, and beef up the references - already working on self-educating so I can do a good job.

I have a question for you, since you are a specialist on the narrower topic of neighborhood pages.

What does it take to be allowed a Wikipedia page as a real "neighborhood"? Hancock Park, Windsor Square, Arlington Heights and even "the Flower District," a market for making profit, are allowed pages. How is WP different? WP is identified by Thomas Brothers Guides, by our Neighborhood Council (Greater Wilshire), by the Office of Historic Resources, and even within the Wikipedia page called "List of Districts and Neighborhoods in Los Angeles." What is the criteria for suppressing a page like the WP page was suppressed the way WP's was, with Wikipedia's support for the suppressor (until you helped me out)? It seems random and arbitrary - or a convenient excuse for somebody with a political agenda.

WP is an historic district, and as you know, education is necessary to effectively prevent the loss of historic resources. The WP site had links to City agencies, historic articles, etc. The Wilshire Park Association, the "enclave" he refers to so dismissively, is a legitimate 501(c)(3) non-profit with a mandate to educate and teeny-tiny assets. The members are all volunteers and have no profit motive. WP doesn't need or want a presence on Wikipedia for any other reason than to make our historic district function well for the benefit of current and future residents. The removal of this information, which is valuable on many levels, was wrong. How arrogant of the KTown editor to let his imagination see us as a threat to the Koreatown fiefdom and cause all this bad feeling and resentment. And it's a shame. It's divisive. And wasteful.

This has also been done to neighborhood miles away from Koreatown, by the same editor. Clearly, to me, the motivation here is something other than as stated. This is obviously flag planting and suppression. How can Wikipedia, whose mantra is respect, free expression and factual accuracy, allow this and side with this editor, when it was necessary to lie about fellow editors and 'gin up non-existent conflicts of interest to get one's way? Helpful or not, the term that applies is "bullying."

As I said, I am working on a new page, but I am afraid it will be attacked again. I don't have the time or appetite to play with this game any more. How do I get this to stop, once and for all, considering this is a repeat performance? Does this behavior rise to the level of requiring administrative intervention? Can the editor be banned from interfering further, based on the past and current incidents?

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This user is now confining his work to topics dealing with Los Angeles, California, more or less.

Los Angeles (desambiguation)

Why not in Los Angeles (desambiguation) not should appear that these words are derivative from Spanish words?. this same should apply it in desambiguations Bambino, Amour, Je t'aime, Über Alles (disambiguation), etc, etc.--Vvven (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly because Wikipedia is not a dictionary and that your link does not go to an article in the encyclopedia that has anything to do with Los Angeles. Nevertheless, I don't feel strongly enough about it to revert your addition. Maybe you will do it yourself. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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You deleted a para, as it was not supported by a citation. Would it perhaps be better to add a "citation needed" tag in the text instead? Otherwise how will anyone know one is needed for that information? :) ~ P-123 (talk) 11:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:57, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Westwood, Los Angeles

Hi! I want to add in a bit about Warner Elementary from:

  • Hardy, Terry. "Top of the Class" (education section). Los Angeles Magazine. Emmis Communications, October 1998. Vol. 43, No. 10. ISSN 1522-9149. Start: p. 52. CITED: p. 56.
    • The school had some issues with multiple principals coming and going before Jeff Felz came in, and once he did he encouraged more parental participation.

Also I need a cite saying that Westwood is zoned to University High School... WhisperToMe (talk) 03:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you think this will stand the test of time . . . BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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There is an ongoing battle against vandals and real estate spammers adding "affluent" to city articles. I have no idea why you reverted this edit. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I finally understand the problem upon your explanation. Nevertheless, when one of the salient facts about a neighborhood is its wealth, or lack of wealth — or any other distinguishing characteristic — then that fact should be mentioned in the lead, and not simply ignored. I invite you to take part in the discussion on the Sherman Oaks, California, talk page, where I point out that this matter has been carefully considered by others (not just me), and the conclusion reached was that if we can find the sources, we can use "affluent" as a descriptor for a neighborhood. I hope that helps you in considering this and other articles like it. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:36, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I read the discussion long ago, and consensus was reached to stop adding that stupid word. This isn't a battleground. Why not focus your energy on something that will actually help Wikipedia? Magnolia677 (talk) 20:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think you might have read a different discussion, could that be? In any event, it is not stupid to describe a community the way it is. I am surprised that anybody would think so. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:31, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish articles on senior high schools

Hi! I have been writing some Spanish language stubs on LAUSD high schools for the following reasons:

  • To expand Spanish-language coverage of the Los Angeles area
  • As a courtesy for Spanish-speaking immigrants who have poor English comprehension
  • To encourage the children of these immigrants-students at these schools-to become Wikipedians and improve coverage of U.S. articles in both English and Spanish

I am also having articles on other languages made depending upon the community demographics. An Armenian user made an Armenian article on Grant High School (Los Angeles) and I'm trying to have a Korean editor make that version for Los Angeles High School.

Do you know some Spanish? If so you are welcome to help in this effort :) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Whisper. I'm afraid I don't know enough Spanish to help out. French, yes. But not much call for that in L.A. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 09:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are two French international schools in Los Angeles: Lycee Francais de Los Angeles and Lycee International de Los Angeles so if you'd like you can help out with those. Also if you take photos for Wikipedia please let me know, as I can give you a "shopping list" of photos that can help the articles. if you tell me what parts are most convenient I can give you a list :) WhisperToMe (talk) 11:19, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

FAG!

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I noticed you tagged User talk:166.170.49.219 for unconstructive editing with this edit. Please take a moment to read this policy on types of vandalism and tell me which category that edit falls under? Now read this policy about what vandalism isn't and see if you can find a category for that edit there. Are you now trying to intimidate other editors who disagree with your dubious addition of the word "affluent" to US city articles? Magnolia677 (talk) 04:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Magnolia. I do not appreciate what appears to be a snotty post. I do not need lecturing, beause, after all, I have BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please stop your slow edit-war to get POV material into the article. It ought to be clear to you by now that you do not have the support of other editors for the changes you want to make... Thomas.W talk 21:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Thomas. I am sorry, but it is not my opinion. It is the opinion of WP:Reliable sources, which are cited. I would be very happy to describe this neighborhood in any other terms if you can find them. I think your quarrel is with the sources. Yours in Wiki-dom, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for being nice. Wyeson 05:35, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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OK. No problem. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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RfC notifications

How did you select what users to notify about your RfC on train station article leads? --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 17:05, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(1) All those who made content edits during the past year at Abada railway station, Aosta railway station, Culver City station and Palms station (nine people altogether), (2) eleven editors chosen because they were recently active (during January and February 2016) at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia style and naming and (3) the twenty most recently added editors to the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/List of participants, as well as notices at (1) Wikipedia:WikiProject Travel and Tourism, (2) Wikipedia:WikiProject Urban studies and planning and (3) Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:42, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I put the population into the intro to give an idea of how big it is. It isn't an area with three people, it has over 100,000 which is a BIG area. Unfortunately, it was measured in an odd way (by using the population in the zip code) so had to be stated in a complex manner in order to not be misleading about how it was measured. If you have a better way to word it I'd appreciate it. RJFJR (talk) 14:43, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, but the WP:lead should be a summation of the entire article. We can work on that. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are more items that might be added to give it context but the population is probably one of them. Any idea of a good way to word it? RJFJR (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I just say to go ahead and give it your best shot. Other folks may come along to help you fix it up. Be sure to read WP:Lead first. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on LA Metro

Hi there,

Would you be open to creating redirects for people who, for instance, search for Palms station, as per Metro, that is not the official name. It really should be just Palms, for example. TJH2018 (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how that would work, nor what "It really should be just Palms" means. The objection of most commenting editors is to the syntax of the opening sentence, because, as has been stated, Palms is not a station, but it is a community. I might add that when people who live in Palms want to take a train, they will go to Palms station, and not to Palms, because they are already IN Palms. I hope to hear from you again. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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OK. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Have had a query raised with me regarding the redirect of this page. Could you provide a bit more explanation of the redirect (no issue if you cant). Would you have any objections in the removal of the redirect restoring the previous page? Any advice or just a cant remember I've slept since then would be appreciated. Amortias (T)(C) 20:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This little enclave does not offer any sources to show that it is a true neighborhood of Los Angeles. Quite often homeowners' groups or interested real-estate people will say that any given geographical area is a legitimate neighborhood even when they don't have any WP:Reliable sources to prove it. I believe this was the case with this article, which you can find here. If any editor or other neutral person wants to write an article citing such sources, I am sure that it would be cheerfully accepted by the community. Does this help? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I would object to restoring the former page. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:27, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. Will relay the message. Amortias (T)(C) 22:55, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of comment

My comment on KoreaTown wikipage was eliminated by you. As for being neutral, I have an unpaid position with the association whose webpage was eliminated and redirected to Koreatown wikipage. This has happened to other neighborhood pages that have been reduced to Koreatown. This is a political issue about ethnic enclaves an identity. I appreciate the policing but registering my complaint about having our wikipage eliminated and redirected does deserve to have it comments protected. Where were you when our wikipage was removed and redirected to Koreatown wikipage?554938Wilshire (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to help you out, I did a search in the LAPL files of the Los Angeles Times for "Wilshire Park," but I couldn't find any reference to it as an authentic neighborhood. Do you have other WP:Reliable sources? If you do, let me know, and I will write up an article about the neighborhood for submission. (It is listed as a Historic Overlay Zone, which is not a neighborhood, but simply a zone within a neighborhood.) Or, you can ask some other uninvolved person to do it. Best wishes, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wilshire Park

Thank you for the link - I am learning as fast as I can, but I am new at this. Your help is very much appreciated. I will tighten it up as suggested, change the tone, and beef up the references - already working on self-educating so I can do a good job.

I have a question for you, since you are a specialist on the narrower topic of neighborhood pages.

What does it take to be allowed a Wikipedia page as a real "neighborhood"? Hancock Park, Windsor Square, Arlington Heights and even "the Flower District," a market for making profit, are allowed pages. How is WP different? WP is identified by Thomas Brothers Guides, by our Neighborhood Council (Greater Wilshire), by the Office of Historic Resources, and even within the Wikipedia page called "List of Districts and Neighborhoods in Los Angeles." What is the criteria for suppressing a page like the WP page was suppressed the way WP's was, with Wikipedia's support for the suppressor (until you helped me out)? It seems random and arbitrary - or a convenient excuse for somebody with a political agenda.

WP is an historic district, and as you know, education is necessary to effectively prevent the loss of historic resources. The WP site had links to City agencies, historic articles, etc. The Wilshire Park Association, the "enclave" he refers to so dismissively, is a legitimate 501(c)(3) non-profit with a mandate to educate and teeny-tiny assets. The members are all volunteers and have no profit motive. WP doesn't need or want a presence on Wikipedia for any other reason than to make our historic district function well for the benefit of current and future residents. The removal of this information, which is valuable on many levels, was wrong. How arrogant of the KTown editor to let his imagination see us as a threat to the Koreatown fiefdom and cause all this bad feeling and resentment. And it's a shame. It's divisive. And wasteful.

This has also been done to neighborhood miles away from Koreatown, by the same editor. Clearly, to me, the motivation here is something other than as stated. This is obviously flag planting and suppression. How can Wikipedia, whose mantra is respect, free expression and factual accuracy, allow this and side with this editor, when it was necessary to lie about fellow editors and 'gin up non-existent conflicts of interest to get one's way? Helpful or not, the term that applies is "bullying."

As I said, I am working on a new page, but I am afraid it will be attacked again. I don't have the time or appetite to play with this game any more. How do I get this to stop, once and for all, considering this is a repeat performance? Does this behavior rise to the level of requiring administrative intervention? Can the editor be banned from interfering further, based on the past and current incidents?

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