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:Sure, I'll review. Not before tomorrow though. Hope that's fine. Cheers, --'''[[User:Ceradon|<b style="color:grey">cera</b>]][[User talk:Ceradon|<font color="grey">don</font>]]''' 20:57, 29 August 2015 (UTC) |
:Sure, I'll review. Not before tomorrow though. Hope that's fine. Cheers, --'''[[User:Ceradon|<b style="color:grey">cera</b>]][[User talk:Ceradon|<font color="grey">don</font>]]''' 20:57, 29 August 2015 (UTC) |
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Vonnegut
Basically, I'm looking for holes to fill in.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- Awesome. Probably, the biggest thing I couldn't find is details about his burial, cremation, etc. Got anything on that? --ceradon (talk • edits) 06:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'll look. I didn't borrow "And So It Goes" again, but looked for books of commentaries. It staggers me how much has been written about Vonnegut. If necessary, I can go back to GMU Sunday. I think possibly something should be said, perhaps under techniques, about the plot style, as exhibited most famously in Slaughterhouse-Five. We do say something in the bio section, but I think something under techniques would be good. I'm mining the books for nuggets that won't lengthen things too much but which hit good points. Sorry I was inactive so long, I was traveling and had very little time to do work and not much internet access.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wehwalt, no problem. I was trying to find a preview of "And So It Goes" that gives info on Vonnegut's burial. No luck. Online sources don't seem to help either. --ceradon (talk • edits) 07:15, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'll look. I didn't borrow "And So It Goes" again, but looked for books of commentaries. It staggers me how much has been written about Vonnegut. If necessary, I can go back to GMU Sunday. I think possibly something should be said, perhaps under techniques, about the plot style, as exhibited most famously in Slaughterhouse-Five. We do say something in the bio section, but I think something under techniques would be good. I'm mining the books for nuggets that won't lengthen things too much but which hit good points. Sorry I was inactive so long, I was traveling and had very little time to do work and not much internet access.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- Still nothing on funeral but I'll keep poking around. And So It Goes ends with his death, I checked. There's a couple of comments by Iridescent that I left for you. I would suggest waiting a few days after he is done and if no one else comments, close it and we can nominate at FAC. I am doing a slow copyedit of the article and will look for anything obvious missing. Do you know of any of Vonnegut's GE publications available online? They were almost certainly published without copyright notice and would be PD today, but we'd have to view the entire publication to be sure.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- I did the Dresden footnote. Unless there's some further concerns at the PR, I think we are in business. Why don't we notify Iridescent that we plan to close the PR, say, in a few days, and if all looks good, plow on to FAC?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:16, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wehwalt, left a note on Iridescent's talk page. I don't think we need to wait a few days, actually. If Iridescent is okay with the article, I think we can go forward to FAC. --ceradon (talk • edits) 12:41, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that. I can get any needed books if there are questions from GMU.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:46, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Why don't we go ahead? People's schedules can be a bit uncertain in the summer. It sounds like anything he might have to add would be easily fixed, and he can make it at the FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Wehwalt: done. Notified the editors that participated as well. --ceradon (talk • edits) 14:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- On the images: I think the yearbook is taken care of. The family one has an OTRS tag and I think that's good enough. The Army one I'm not sure on, and the 1972 one would be fine if someone had bothered to webarchive the eBay images, which are now gone. We can find another copy or use another image, I suppose.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Wehwalt: done. Notified the editors that participated as well. --ceradon (talk • edits) 14:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Why don't we go ahead? People's schedules can be a bit uncertain in the summer. It sounds like anything he might have to add would be easily fixed, and he can make it at the FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that. I can get any needed books if there are questions from GMU.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:46, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wehwalt, it's just Brianboulton and Iridescent left to throw their hats in the ring. After that just a source review is needed right? (Actually, there is consensus to promote right now with 4 supports, isn't there?) --ceradon (talk • edits) 23:03, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
good
- see User:Lingzhi/sandbox• Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Declined Template Editor Status
I noticed you declined me as being a template editor, I thought I had a good explanation for becoming an editor, so could you please give me some tips on how to get approved? And also it doesn't say declined but instead "not done", what does that mean?
Nrwairport (talk) 02:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Nrwairport, templates are very important to Wikipedia, to say the least. Having template ditor status would allow you to edit some very sensitive templates that, if something went wrong, could do quite a bit of damage. I quite simply do not believe that you have the experience or the need for the template editor status. But experience is accumulated over time, of course, so that is not an indictment against you. However, if you want to suggest changes to a template, you may suggest changes using the {{edit template-protected}} template on the talk page of the template you want to edit. Someone will come along and action them. You may also like to familiarize yourself with template syntax here: Help:Template. I hope that helps! --ceradon (talk • edits) 02:36, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- I do have the experience. Although this specific account only has a few hundred edits, my other account in which will no longer log in, has made over 100,000 edits and I have edited with Wikipedia for upwards of 5 years. I am an aviation specialist and the templates that I see for airlines, airports, and other aviation pages (just as an example) are very "information-lacking." Editing the templates for the better is what I would do. So if having the reason of bettering these templates and 100,000+ edits and 5 years of editing is not the "experience or need for the template editor status," then what is? I also noticed I was declined several other roles, and the reasons for declining were not reasonable. Nrwairport (talk) 03:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Nrwairport, could you please give me the name of your former account. You may email it here if you wish. --ceradon (talk • edits) 13:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- I do have the experience. Although this specific account only has a few hundred edits, my other account in which will no longer log in, has made over 100,000 edits and I have edited with Wikipedia for upwards of 5 years. I am an aviation specialist and the templates that I see for airlines, airports, and other aviation pages (just as an example) are very "information-lacking." Editing the templates for the better is what I would do. So if having the reason of bettering these templates and 100,000+ edits and 5 years of editing is not the "experience or need for the template editor status," then what is? I also noticed I was declined several other roles, and the reasons for declining were not reasonable. Nrwairport (talk) 03:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunate
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Unfortunate to have closed the conversation without explaining to me WHY he was banned. Maybe I would've supported it, maybe not...Zigzig20s (talk) 03:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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Closing my ban appeal
Hello,
I noticed that you closed my ban appeal as "no consensus". I think you made mistake in evaluating arguments presented in this discussion.
Keeping people banned because they feel and think they were unjustly banned is not valid ground for keeping them banned as long as they do not demonstrate behavior for which they were banned. People should not be sanctioned because of what they think, feel or not do. People should be sanctioned because of what they do. Especially if !votes for sanctions come from several editors who are involved and who demonstrated the behavior for which they banned me.
I hereby invite you to reconsider your closure.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:14, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Antidiskriminator, my comments at the ban appeal: you must present that you understand why you were banned (blaming it on vendettas will not work), and you must present an actual plan on how you expect to prevent such behavior from recurring. Perhaps, a 1RR on yourself to prevent edit warring, and a probationary period? Food for thought when you re-appeal later. Cheers, --ceradon (talk • edits) 14:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- I did present explanation why I was banned and I did present plan to avoid similar problems in this topic areas. What is more important, with my behavior during the ban I adressed all presented concerns about my behavior. Your statement and especially proposal for probationary period with 1RR to prevent edit warring show that you did not carefully read the discussion and that you don't understand why I was banned (it had nothing to do with edit warring). Will you please be so kind to reconsider your closure and also to mention necessary participaton of uninvolved editors? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Antidiskriminator: Oh you did? Perhaps I missed it. Please restate why you were banned and what your plan is to prevent future recurrences. State it clearly and unambiguously and use as few words as possible for the record. Reflect on what you did to get banned, and how you plan to prevent such recurrences. --גַּבְרִיאֵל (ceradon) (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- If you read the discussion carefully you will notice that there is no dispute why I was banned. I was banned because of what I said on article's talkpages. Not because of edit warring. That is why I think your statement and idea about probationary period with 1RR to prevent edit warring show that you did not carefully read the discussion and that you didn't understand why I was banned. It had nothing to do with edit warring and I don't think I need to present plan to avoid edit warring. Also, I don' blame anybody. The administrator who banned me (Drmies) stated: "That votes for the ban come from editors that they have been in conflict with--eh, that's to be expected." (diff). Those editors said that my communication with them was "disruptive (unproductive, unconstructive, annoyingly bizarre, unhelpful, mind-numbing, obstructing, stonewalling, ....)".
- During my ban I strictly followed wikipedia policies and avoided both content and conduct disputes with other editors. Nobody thinks my communication during my ban was "disruptive (unproductive, unconstructive, annoyingly bizarre, unhelpful, mind-numbing, obstructing, stonewalling, ....)." That is why my plan is to continue "avoiding similar problems in this topic areas by strictly following wikipedia policies and avoiding both content and conduct disputes with other editors." If you think I should present a plan to prevent edit warring please explain why.
- If you carefully read this ban appeal discussion and earlier discussions related to my ban you will notice that multiple editors, including some involved editors who banned me, underlined that uninvolved input is necessary to make decision about my ban. Why didn't you mention that in your closing statement?
- I hope you can now reconsider your closure. If you decide not to change your closure I would appreciate if you can explain me what DID I DO to make you decide I should remain banned? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Will you please be so kind to adress my concerns about your closure of my ban appeal per WP:ADMINACCT?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:15, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Antidiskriminator: Oh you did? Perhaps I missed it. Please restate why you were banned and what your plan is to prevent future recurrences. State it clearly and unambiguously and use as few words as possible for the record. Reflect on what you did to get banned, and how you plan to prevent such recurrences. --גַּבְרִיאֵל (ceradon) (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- I did present explanation why I was banned and I did present plan to avoid similar problems in this topic areas. What is more important, with my behavior during the ban I adressed all presented concerns about my behavior. Your statement and especially proposal for probationary period with 1RR to prevent edit warring show that you did not carefully read the discussion and that you don't understand why I was banned (it had nothing to do with edit warring). Will you please be so kind to reconsider your closure and also to mention necessary participaton of uninvolved editors? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Okay, let's see:
- What specifically did you do on talk pages that got you banned? The first step is admitting you have a problem. What did you do in particular that got you topic banned. Asking me is cheating. You need to realize what you did that got you topic-banned. That's the only possible way you can develop a plan to prevent it and follow it to the letter -- if you recognize the problem, and actually want to solve it. "Those editors said that my communication with them was "disruptive (unproductive, unconstructive, annoyingly bizarre, unhelpful, mind-numbing, obstructing, stonewalling, ....)"." You're trying to distance yourself from your own behavior. Refer only to yourself, and don't refer to others. What did you and you alone do to get yourself topic banned? As for the 1RR suggestion and a probationary period, several editors suggested it in the ANI thread, and I suggested it to you.
- Simply saying you're going to "strictly adhere to Wikipedia's policies" isn't a trump card you can throw around and get yourself untopic banned. The first step is admitting the problem. Now, develop a definite plan that you promise to follow (and others hold you to) that will prevent these problems from recurring. For instance, will you limit the amount of comments you make to a particular thread? Will you do better to seek consensus on talk pages? Will you limit the amount of times you mention the same thing on a talk page? Will you limit the amount of new sections you make on a talk page? Will you limit the amount of times you respond to a user's comment on a talk page? Lay out a plan.
- Because it's irrelevant. Of course the users who are more closely connected and affected by your behavior will be more keen and vociferous about getting you topic banned, and making sure your topic banned sticks. That's just common sense. If you can't convince the people you'll be working with that you have changed your behavior for the better, well then my opinion, the uninvolved administrator who closed the discussion and will likely never work with you extensively again, is of little importance. --ceradon (talk • edits) 17:55, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answer.
- "The first step is admitting you have a problem....The first step is admitting the problem." - Admitting? That is not what you wrote in your closing statement. Admitting is different from presenting the reason for ban and plan to avoid it in future, which I both presented. My behavior during the ban prove my plan is effective. 1rr idea is refuted during discussion. With your comment about it you again prove you did not read the discussion carefully.
- Lack of uninvolved input is not irrelevant because your closing statement should reflect the discussion. Will you please include it in your closing statement?
- Your reply again point to things I did not do. You can not decide to keep me banned because of what I think or what I did not do. Why do you avoid to reply to simple question: What DID I DO to make you decide I should remain banned?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for your answer.
- For my archive: I opened a closure review at ANI so the community may review my close. --ceradon (talk • edits) 06:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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Malik case
Thanks for doing the notifications, you ran faster than I did there. Are you working on putting the diffs of those in the case? Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I would like to ask you to look at this immediately emerging situation
Issue: User completely reverting Talk comments of one User: A User with whom you interacted recently, in an edit war/block situation, has taken it upon himself to completely blank out the Talk comments of this editor, see last two Talk entries here Talk as it should be versus The world according to… DePiep. See also here the edit history, where you see I had to experiment with his reversion, to believe my eyes, that he had actually reverted my entries. (Note , I do not know technically what he did, as the first violating edit of his, at 22:45, 18 August 2015 (DePiep, +4,687), appears to be an addition. I simply know the result was to delete all my Talk entries of today.]
Please have a look, and restore the Talk to where it was before this problem editor did his erasure? It is urgent because others have been pinged to reply to the latest discussion (i.e., he needs to be reverted, and stopped from re-deleting Talk, before others begin to edit the wrong page.) Thank you for your attention. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 23:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done. Initial matter settled—Talk page restored—but not before the fellow let Doc and I have it, mdr. See closing Talk section here, [1] (and search your name to see previous encounter). Perhaps look in here [2] to make sure Bagumba's reversion stands, if your time permits. Cheers, Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 01:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Close at WT:HARASSMENT
Hi Ceradon, Apologies for the interruption.
Per WP:CLOSE, I am requesting that you reconsider aspects of your recent close at WT:HARASSMENT. I consider that the conclusion of "no consensus" for a specific sexual harassment policy is a reasonable outcome of the discussion, but am concerned that the conclusion that there is a consensus for an identity harassment policy may not be as reasonable.
While a wider identity based harassment policy may have been addressed by some of the contributors, the RfC questions were limited to a specific sexual harassment policy, and it would seem that a number of contributors limited themselves to discussion of the specific on this basis. It may not be appropriate to conclude that those contributors opposing only the specific would not have also opposed the wider policy if that had been the topic of discussion.
With respect, I suggest that an explicit discussion of the wider identity harassment policy would be appropriate. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 04:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- the RfC questions were limited to a specific sexual harassment policy I'm afraid I don't see where you concluded that. The third question in the RfC was: "A harassment policy that specifically mentions identity-based harassment (including, but not limited to, sex, gender, race, age, ability, etc.)" That was added on July 18. Even before it was added though, several people were supporting a broader harassment policy. For instance, " if our harassment policy could make clear that gender discrimination and sexual harassment are explicitly not tolerated and blockable, sure"; Boson's "differentiated support", Kirill Lokshin's "While a more general policy against harassment is certainly necessary" -- Just to name a few. --ceradon (talk • edits) 04:21, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Ceradon, Many thanks for your response. It is greatly appreciated. It would appear that I have phrased particularly poorly, for which I sincerely apologise.
- For the RfC questions were limited to a specific sexual harassment policy, please substitute "when considering the question of a separate policy, independent of WP:HARASSMENT, the RfC questions were limited to a specific sexual harassment policy".
- I believe that this is the scenario presaged in comments by AndyTheGrump
the RfC can only reach an unambiguous conclusion of it closes as 'oppose'
& Bosonthe question was whether to have a policy, not whether to have a separate policy
. - I do take your point w.r.t the addition of Option 3 on July 18; and I do concur that it is not unreasonable to conclude that this option received greater support than Option 2; and that it is arguable that there is consensus for explicit mention of identity-based harassment within policy.
- I would not, however, concur that support for Option 3 should necessarily be taken to imply support for a separate, independent, identity-based harassment policy; I think that reasonable readings of that option include the addition of wording explicitly covering identity-based harassment to the existing general harassment policy. (Such as that recently introduced to WP:HARASSMENT.)
- That is,
a harassment policy that specifically mentions identity-based harassment...
may not imply a separate, independent policy; and may be taken to mean the preexisting policy. - W.r.t the individual response examples; the first, by Drmies, explicitly refers to the existing policy; the second, by Boson, explicitly supports mention in the existing policy; the third example, by Kirill, supports calling out sexual harassment, but does not mention whether this should be in the existing or a separate policy.
- There are also a number of the !votes which would reasonably be considered oppose to a separate, independent policy of any kind; not merely of a specific sexual harassment policy. (Per: Godsy, Chillum, Robert McClenon, Staszek Lem, GoodDay, Pudeo ... etc )
- Reviewing the support votes, I cannot concur that there is sufficient support for an independent policy.
- I do not expect that the close will be amended; but "hope springs" is not just a Scottish TV series; and I do consider it important that concerns that the close does not accurately reflect the consensus of the discussion be noted.
- I would also like to note that while I may disagree with the close on this basis, I extend sincere thanks to you for having performed the close itself. I realise that this is a contentious area, with strong feelings held by many, and I appreciate you "stepping up to the plate".
- I also notice that you are currently working through some other matters, so will not overly trouble you on this point further. I wish you the best of luck with that matter.
- Apologies for the large number of pings. I try not to mention any other editor without letting them know. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 21:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
24.228.234.139 blocked
Hi,
Thanks for blocking 24.228.234.139. When I reported that IP I wasn't entirely sure since they hadn't made another edit since being warned this time. However, between my reporting them and your banning them they reinstated their offensive vandalism. It probably won't come up, but should there be an appeal against the block or any other discussion, I think that that show you made the correct judgement. Thanks again. 95.150.40.137 (talk) 04:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Ceradon, I saw your RfA but didn't comment since I wasn't really familiar with you at all. Since then though, I've seen you around a lot, and I've been impressed not only by your willingness to boldly help out in a variety of areas, but by your consistently good judgment and your reliably insightful commentary. Thanks for everything you've been doing since becoming an admin. It's been good seeing you around and having you on the team! Keep up the great work! Swarm ♠ 03:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC) |
- Thank you for your kind words, Swarm. I must say that adminship is certainly fun. Just as well, such barnstars are definitely encouraging. I've seen you around as well, and I can say the same about you. Cheers, --ceradon (talk • edits) 04:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why this was made a draft when there was no request to do so. It's just an invitation to end up back in mainspace unaddressed. Also if you're going to userfy, the article really should be neutered (add AfC submission tag so it's removed from search engines, remove categories, etc.) – czar 07:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- I userfied it in the hope that new, reliable sources might come up in the future. It may not be notable now, but it may well be in the future. There's no reason to put a new user through getting that refunded whenever new sources pop up either. Per your suggestion, I've neutralized the categories and added an AfC banner. If I missed something, feel free to ping me. Cheers, --ceradon (talk • edits) 07:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- The article has sat fallow for six years without sources and that editor only returned because of the AfD notice. As much as there's "no reason" to have an editor request undeletion when they're planning to invest the effort, there's just as much "no reason" to put an experienced editor through monitoring yet another page that the author has no interest in maintaining. So I hope you're right. – czar 08:17, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Honorable move
Thanks for coming clean. I need to review history, but what I've seen with your current account, you have been doing good work for the project, and I hope all agree. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:37, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
A note
You don't know me but I've seen and appreciated your work here. Should you decide to put forward an RfA I will abandon my moratorium of that process and support your nomination. Make the choice that's right for you. Regards Tiderolls 07:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Happy to be working with you
It's probably no recommendation to some, but I just want to express my public confidence, in you as an editor, a content contributor, and as a once and future admin.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Hmm...
Quite honestly, I do have to wonder how you could completely forget about all your previous accounts, even one (MauchoEagle) that made over two thousand edits. --Biblioworm (talk) 15:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know how that happened either. But, the best I can do is honesty. I'm an open book right now. If honesty doesn't work, I don't know what else there is that I can offer the community. --ceradon (talk • edits) 15:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Im confused. I can understand forgetting those accounts, given that they were only active for a few months, but are you saying you also forgot about SunCountryGuy01 itself? SCG was only active for about six months itself, but I seem you remember you editing as SunCountryGuy in a lot more places. If you really didnt remmeber any of those accounts until now, i agree running a reconfirmation RFA with that information in plain sight is a good idea. If you were hiding SCG as part of a cleanstart process, Im still not necessarily upset; but i think that info should be public as well. Im posting this here instead of the RFA because although I do want you to answer this quewstion, posting on the RFA might encourage too much attention. —Soap— 15:57, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- On June 2, 2011, you asked for an unblock on your old account. On June 7, 2011, you registered and you forgot about the presence of your old account? Please explain this, as it strongly differs from your initial "two-year absence" claim. Esquivalience t 16:16, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Esquivalience: I'm quite sure I remembered those accounts when I created this one. If you got the impression that I was saying I somehow forgot about my previous accounts before creating this one, that was not my intention. I'm saying since about 2012-2014 I simply wasn't paying any mind to Wikipedia (check my edit count stats). I went off to live my life, and only came back to develop the Battle of Malvern Hill article, and ended up sticking around. Hell, the only reason I remembered this "Ceradon" account is because I use "Ceradon" pretty much everywhere; otherwise, I might have created a whole new account. --ceradon (talk • edits) 16:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Before I come up to a conclusion (banned means banned and blocked means blocked), did you have a guilty conscience before your absence? If yes, did you deliberately leave with such a conscience? Esquivalience t 18:36, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps I was or perhaps I wasn't. I can't exactly tell how I felt four years ago about a website that had kicked me out twice. I was admittedly young then. All that really mattered to me was that people were kicking me out of a place I wanted in on. Now, four years later, I have matured enough to know, understand and follow the rules; back then, probably less. --ceradon (talk • edits) 18:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Also, although you claim a two-year absence, you still infrequently edited between 2012 and 2014. How did you forget the existence of such accounts? Esquivalience t 18:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- We're talking in circles here. During that particular stretch of activity, any edits I made were almost surely dispassionately made. The truth is simple: I didn't care about Wikipedia during that time. I didn't want to edit a lot. I just didn't care. My interest fizzled out, and apparently, so did my recollection of those past accounts. I came back to improve the Battle of Malvern Hill article, and ended up sticking around. --ceradon (talk • edits) 18:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- But you could have certainly reserved the fact that you are not new to Wikipedia, invalidating the excuse of repressed memory. Esquivalience t 00:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Esquivalience, Ceradon already has a reconfirmation RfA running. I don't this line of discussion is particularly useul to that process. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- We're talking in circles here. During that particular stretch of activity, any edits I made were almost surely dispassionately made. The truth is simple: I didn't care about Wikipedia during that time. I didn't want to edit a lot. I just didn't care. My interest fizzled out, and apparently, so did my recollection of those past accounts. I came back to improve the Battle of Malvern Hill article, and ended up sticking around. --ceradon (talk • edits) 18:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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Response to Steve Harvey edit
Dear Cerdon,
I just want to let you know that Steve Harvey's birth name is Broderick Steve Hightower. His stage name is Steve Harvey. I learned this from his talk show, "Steve Harvey's Talk Show", and his game show "Family Feud". It is important to get people's actual name right. Please understand that the edit I made is correct and your revision is incorrect. So leave my edit, Broderick Steve Hightower, alone and do not edit it again.
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23.116.124.197 (talk) 00:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Another kitten for you!
Regardless of how your RfA turns out I hope that I see you around Wikipedia for years and years and years. Have a kitten.
Chillum 02:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Ditto. And fwiw, I think withdrawing the RFA was the right step. Take a few days off if needed, but hope to see you back soon. Abecedare (talk) 05:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry it didnt work out. I never decided how to vote on this RFA, though I may have seemed as if I was leaning oppose. I stand by my earlier words in that now that I see the full story, I think this is forgivable and I hope you decide to stick around long-term and keep on editing for its own sake. Would you mind me (or anyone) removing the userrights from your alt account user:Gaivri'el that are not also on your main account? —Soap— 06:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I also hope you don't leave. You are a very talented writer, and you are skilled at article management at FAC, which few are. The project is nowhere near completed, the task is urgent, and there are too few with the skill to help. There are, however, as ever, many who lack ability, except when it comes to detracting, and that's a pity. Sweep them off the table! There's work to be done.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I was waiting for a few days monitoring the RfA hoping to see a full picture and any further disclosure. Though I'm not surprised you withdrew the RfA, I don't want Wikipedia to be the sort of place where mistakes and dumb decisions made years ago are a reason to never edit again, and in disclosing your previous accounts, you have done the right thing. I do hope you carry on with contributing to Wikipedia: writing articles and improving content, working on backlogs, patrolling, helping other editors etc. Ignore the drama, improve the project and if you ever feel stressed or angered, never be afraid to step away for a few days and have a nice long walk in the sunshine or whatever you do to relax. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
RFA Withdrawl
Hello, I have completed the withdraw procedures for your recent RFA. Thanks for your service, Nakon 06:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
EFM
Just a procedural note here, I've removed your edit filter manager user right as it's restricted for non-admins by default. If you still have a need for it, you can re-request it at Wikipedia talk:Edit filter. I'm very sorry for the way things turned out; I'll email you when I have some time to compose my thoughts. I absolutely still stand by the barnstar I sent you. Swarm ♠ 07:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Swarm: There's actually a precedent (namely Rich Farmbrough), for not removing EFM when an admin is desysopped. I think this is the kind of thing that should probably be clarified somewhere though. Sam Walton (talk) 09:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Samwalton9: If you look at Rich's log, EFM was actually removed before being re-granted on request. If someone already had EMF before sysop, I see no problem not removing it. However, if the EFM was self-granted, I do think it's a good idea for the user to make a formal request to be re-granted it. -- KTC (talk) 10:08, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, that's true, I forgot that. Sam Walton (talk) 10:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Samwalton9: If you look at Rich's log, EFM was actually removed before being re-granted on request. If someone already had EMF before sysop, I see no problem not removing it. However, if the EFM was self-granted, I do think it's a good idea for the user to make a formal request to be re-granted it. -- KTC (talk) 10:08, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Altbier award
GregJackP's Altbier Award for Content Creation | ||
Willst du mit mir ein Altbier trinken, um die Autoren und Inhaltentwickler zu feiern? Lass dich nicht von die Wikianwälte beinflussen. |
Hang in there, you have plenty of supporters. GregJackP Boomer! 18:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- You're not the only that can speak German, and it's rather offensive to us others who focus on the technical part of the encyclopedia.—cyberpowerChat:Online 19:05, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I'm sorry you are offended, but the award is for content creators. I'll look at rewording it however. GregJackP Boomer! 22:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Changed the wording on the base template. GregJackP Boomer! 22:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- It is much better, but I hope I am one technical editor that can be of a positive influence on you content creators. Keep up the good work and thank you for rewording. :-)
- P.S. The grammar is a bit incomprehensible. Would you like help fixing that?—cyberpowerChat:Online 22:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, my German has always been weak in grammar and with a heavy Texas accent. I could always ask for a dark beer, the check, and the restroom OK, but the rest was always somewhat mangled. GregJackP Boomer! 23:41, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure exactly how it's supposed to be worded, but here's how I'm reading it. "Do you have an old beer, to celebrate with me for Authors and Developers? Don't let the technical editors influence you."—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 03:44, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- "Will you have an "Altbier" with me, to celebrate authors and content creators. Don't be influenced by technicians." What I'm trying to get across in my poor German is to have a beer with me, and Altbier is a specific style of beer, a German ale, from the northwestern part of Germany, like Rauchbier is usually from the Bamberg area. The second part is meant to convey a feeling of not letting those editors who insist on strict adherence to BS rules over creativity get you down. Technician isn't really the right way to convey that, I'm looking form more of a reference to a "rules nazi" without the nazi part. GregJackP Boomer! 04:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wikilawyer perhaps?—cyberpowerChat:Offline 04:15, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- "Will you have an "Altbier" with me, to celebrate authors and content creators. Don't be influenced by technicians." What I'm trying to get across in my poor German is to have a beer with me, and Altbier is a specific style of beer, a German ale, from the northwestern part of Germany, like Rauchbier is usually from the Bamberg area. The second part is meant to convey a feeling of not letting those editors who insist on strict adherence to BS rules over creativity get you down. Technician isn't really the right way to convey that, I'm looking form more of a reference to a "rules nazi" without the nazi part. GregJackP Boomer! 04:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure exactly how it's supposed to be worded, but here's how I'm reading it. "Do you have an old beer, to celebrate with me for Authors and Developers? Don't let the technical editors influence you."—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 03:44, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, my German has always been weak in grammar and with a heavy Texas accent. I could always ask for a dark beer, the check, and the restroom OK, but the rest was always somewhat mangled. GregJackP Boomer! 23:41, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Changed the wording on the base template. GregJackP Boomer! 22:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I'm sorry you are offended, but the award is for content creators. I'll look at rewording it however. GregJackP Boomer! 22:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
That works. GregJackP Boomer! 04:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Formal: "Wollen Sie ein Altbier mit mir trinken, um die Autoren und Inhaltentwickler zu feiern? Lassen Sie sich nicht von die Wikianwälte beinflussen."
- Informal: " Willst du mit mir ein Altbier trinken, um die Autoren und Knhaltentwickler zu feiern? Lass dich nicht von die Wikianwälte beinflussen."
- There you go.—cyberpowerChat:Online 14:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, I went with the informal, much better to have a beer with friends, don't you think? GregJackP Boomer! 15:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed. I agree. :-)—cyberpowerChat:Online 19:59, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed. Limping along with Google Translate, I see that the last sentence essentially means that everyone who has not created content is worthless. (Am I right, Cyberpower?) Does anyone want a Wikipedia without anyone to revert vandals (who ruin content creators' work) and ensure that junk pages don't stay? I'm not at all hostile to content work, since I like working on articles myself and intend to improve more, but I don't want any part at all in some elite club that completely despises those who are more maintenance-oriented. --Biblioworm (talk) 21:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speaking of content, Biblioworm, how is Wessex going? --ceradon (talk • edits) 22:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, you got it. I feel technical editors and content creators require a symbiotic relationship. Without the technical editors, Wikipedia would fall apart, and without the content creators, Wikipedia would rapidly become outdated and useless. I recognize the importance of contect creators as the fulfill the role of building the content of the encyclopedia, but technical editors fulfill the role of maintaining the structure of the site, and providing services such as bots and tools that are meant to assist content creators and other users. My most notable example is Cyberbot II 5 at WP:BRFA which is designed to help the content creators. I can say with certainty, when it's ready for deployment it will be well received by at least 90% of all content creators. The goal of it is to preserve sources, and always make sure a backup copy of the source exists should the original go down, as well as redirect to the backup copy if it does go down.—cyberpowerChat:Online 22:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- On Wessex, I'm currently looking at a source for the Roman period and searching for more information to add concerning the Saxon invasion. I tend to work rather slowly on articles, but I hope to get this one up to at least GA by the end of the year. It sounds like a long time, but the article almost completely lacks any quality sources and therefore needs a complete rewrite. --Biblioworm (talk) 23:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speaking of content, Biblioworm, how is Wessex going? --ceradon (talk • edits) 22:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, I went with the informal, much better to have a beer with friends, don't you think? GregJackP Boomer! 15:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- German grammar would require "von den Anwälten" (by the lawyers), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
mail but you don't have to do anything if you don't want
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Your GA nomination of James T. Brady
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article James T. Brady you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. GregJackP Boomer! 16:04, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's on hold for two minor issues on the prose, everything else looks good, so as soon as those get cleared up, I'll pass it. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 16:32, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of James T. Brady
The article James T. Brady you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:James T. Brady for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. GregJackP Boomer! 03:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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Let's have a beer to celebrate!
Thanks for reviewing United States v. Kagama, a newly promoted featured article. GregJackP Boomer! 17:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC) |
- GregJackP, I just had Battle of Malvern Hill promoted to featured article status as well, so partying on my end too. --ceradon 20:57, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
United States v. Washington Featured Article Candidate
United States v. Washington is undergoing evaluation for possible promotion to Featured Article at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States v. Washington/archive1. If you feel up to it, I would love for you to stop by and assist in assessing this article. GregJackP Boomer! 17:28, 29 August 2015 (UTC)