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http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-bahubali-3rd-friday-box-office-collection-prabhas-starrer-grosses-rs-401-crore-15-640452

I request you to update baahubali gross numbers as of the 24th of july which is 401 crores tanks - Nyankitty5023 Nyankitty5023 (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Adding one more source : http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/07/25/indias-baahubali-punches-out-401-crore-62-6-million-gross-in-15-days/

Please use the template as used before and it would be preferable for people to put all this in one place rather than repeating this every few hours. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why the hell are you not adding Dasavatharam in this list. Because it also grossed $31 millions

Please add Kamal Haasan's Dasavatharam in this list, cause dasavatharam also collected $31 millions. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.114.109.110 (talk) 04:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Provide a source. There's already too much game-playing with people just guessing and changing the numbers without explanation. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's a huge problem on this list when it comes to writing the USD totals. A few films like 3 Idiots were released before the Indian rupee significantly got weaker. The 3 Idiots USD total should be $83 million, which puts it much higher on the other list. And other films released earlier should have adjusted totals as well. Nothing's adjusted in the USD list and that means great error. Also, Enthiran's grossed $71 million.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:9B:600:7598:111E:F976:5B8C (talk) 19:55, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The ranking is in terms of rupees so while there's a difference in US figures, that doesn't change anything. As to Enthiran's gross, if you can provide a reliable source for that, then update it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:31, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the figures be expressed in Indian numbering system as opposed to Western numbering system (millions and billions) for the convenience of majority of readers who are likely to visit this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.217.152 (talk) 19:45, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't know. Wikipedia has a manual of style for this sort of thing so maybe you should ask at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. I suspect they will advise that you use the Indian system and provide a conversion but it is best to check. Betty Logan (talk) 21:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.koimoi.com/box-office-verdict-bollywoods-top-worldwide-grossers/

gross is more confussion. and its not real income because tax is not less

• add the cateagry nett for undererstand domestic real box office collection
• and understand for 100 club,200 club .

--Amt000 (talk) 16:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is the List of highest-grossing Indian films, not the List of highest grossing and netting films. It appears that the standard measurement is Gross with Nett only sometimes being of interest. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:01, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TheRedPenOfDoom: this is not matter of tittle netting.

• in template net option with gross i prefer for better under standing
• any film succes or not succes

it depends net collection not gross

• nett = total gross - tax
• suppose any film bujet 50 and gross collection 70 and net collection 40. then you take 40 to declear flop not 70

--Amt000 (talk) 13:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

have any admin to commentAmt000 (talk) 13:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(note: admins dont have any special say. they just have the power to flip some switches according to community standards -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

the "flop" or "hit" or "super hit" or "average" or "mega flop" or "super colossal block and city and country buster" designations will NOT be included as they are meaningless and purely arbitrary. In addition, such designation on a list of highest grossing is extra meaningless - as the highest grossing films they are all obviously "hits". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TheRedPenOfDoom: now what you want to sayAmt000 (talk)

I do not understand your question. but your suggestion is not going to be implemented unless you show widespread reliable sources focusing on nett as much as they are focused on gross. And that aint gonna happen any time soon. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TheRedPenOfDoom: http://www.koimoi.com/box-office-verdict-bollywoods-top-worldwide-grossers/ this is source.

i only suggest add nett with gross as like this link . reason on the top Amt000 (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

and you have received your answer. No, 1) it is out of scope of this article and 2) it is not a standard of measurement widely and consistently used by the reliable sources, the sources commonly and widely discuss the gross and occasionally, sometimes, in some circumstances mention nett. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kick should come on 5th positon as the worldwide gross of this movie is INR 385 crore, it is not 377 crore. Source : Stardust Awards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.30.103 (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gross the only one used at most of the lists such as List of highest-grossing films in Canada and the United States, United States box office records, List of highest-grossing films and others. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Background color [green] indicates films playing in theatres around the world" - per MOS:COLOR, an article shouldn't distinguish information by colour alone. --McGeddon (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is now both an asterisk and a color so I think this is resolved. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:52, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the links to this page. This blog has nothing that indicates that it is a reliable source. I hid the listings for Bodyguard and Dabangg until a real source is found. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

agree not a reliable source WP:RS-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that [1] is a reliable source. It's essentially a blog. The problem is that's the only source for the Telugu section and if removed, there's nothing to be listed. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• agree not a valid source -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This editor tried to add this page as a source. However, I'm not sure that this should be considered a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Koimoi is generally accepted in the India entertainment articles as a basically reliable source. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arrambam || 2013 || Sri Sathya Sai Movies || ₹151 crore (US$19 million) || Vishnuvardhan || ^[1] 117.192.96.182 (talk) 19:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done We only use reliably published sources with a reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight. Indian box office claims are notoriously hard to accurately monitor (The biggest national newspaper gave up on its "box office" column because of the difficulties of verifiable estimates due to external pressure and outright fraud) and so only a very few sources are appropriate for such claims. indianmoviestats isnt one of them. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When the individual language lists were merged here, some of them contained the field of "director" . Is that a field that we should institute for all sections of this article or should we remove it? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say remove it. The table doesn't need to be an unweildly mess of title/language/gross/etc. Source shouldn't even a separate column but just added to the end of gross to me. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If Baahubali is considered a Bilingual, Then enthiran has to be a bilingual as well. Better consider primary language only and not dubbed, partially reshot etc. The film Baahubali was shot simultaneously in Telugu and Tamil languages,hence it belongs to both the regions,it would be sensible if baahubali is included in both the highest grossing lists of Telugu and Tamil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subhakaran91 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How can you credit Baahubali to Tamil grossing list. Even Sivaji and Enthiran are Bilingual. In Sivaji entire segments are reshot for the Telugu Audience sake. However it was never credited to Telugu industry. How can you give the credit of Baahubali to Tamil. Especially in the Tamil grossing list, you cannot give the credit to Tamil as the production house is completely based in Hyderabad and produces none other than Telugu films. Just stop taking the credit for work which Tamil nadu has nothing to do with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeps369 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove Baahubali: The Begining from Tamil Highest grossing list. As Baahubali is predominantly Telugu Film just made in Tamil aswell for the Tax evation in Tamil Nadu. Go through this source http://www.filmibeat.com/telugu/news/2015/baahubali-bahubali-10-days-box-office-collections-unstoppable-second-weekend-191241.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeps369 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The chart does not say anything about what industry produced the film, only what languages it was made in. Try looking at the chart headers again - they do not say "Industry", they say "language". I have actually removed Telugu from the entries for Enthiran and I as their Wikipedia articles describe those films as being shot in Tamil and only dubbed in Telugu Cannolis (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep major language and not simultaneously shot or dubbed. Makes lot of sense in that way to remove Baahubali from tamil; srikrishnak (talk) 10:39, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, if you go to the Highest grossing Tamil films column, it clearly states the movies are produced in Tamil language in the state of Tamil Nadu near chennai. However Baahubali is produced entirely in the state of Telangana near Hyderabad (barring some small schedules). How can you have Baahubali in Tamil high grossing list. And all said don't you really think it is fair to give the credit to Telugu Industry and eventhough it is simultaneously shot in tamil (beacause of tax evasion), what difference does it make from the dubbed version? Let us just stick to the primary language and avoid any confusion (There are lot of articles stating that). At the same time, even we don't want to take credit for Enthiran or I, inspite of them earning huge revenue from Telugu versions

http://www.filmibeat.com/telugu/news/2015/baahubali-bahubali-10-days-box-office-collections-unstoppable-second-weekend-191241.html http://www.firstpost.com/bollywood/baahubali-untouched-rs-300-cr-in-9-days-while-bajrangi-bhaijaan-makes-rs-100-cr-on-eid-weekend-2351890.html

And you can see from the sites that major share was fetched from Telugu version. you can still find techicalities but how can you really credit Baahubali to Tamil. It is one movie what we are proud of and let us at least enjoy it for that Pradeeps369 (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep[reply]

It was shot all over, including Europe, as many many films are. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please go through this article http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-success-an-achievement-in-indian-cinema-vijayendra-prasad/ In paragraph 3 it clearly states, it is celebrated as Telugu cinema's biggest success. It is bilingual flick, i agree to that But it is primarly produced by Telugu Film Industry. Why are you guys turning a deaf ear inspite of getting many requests.. Pradeeps369 (talk) 04:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep[reply]

Pleas go trough the this article http://www.forbes.com/sites/saritharai/2015/07/20/look-whos-reaping-the-bonanza-from-baahubali-indias-most-expensive-film-ever/ 4th paragraph 4th line, it clearly states that the movie was produced by Telugu film industry Pradeeps369 (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)Pradeep[reply]

And here is one more article which reinforces my arguement http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/baahubali-the-beginning-how-the-battle-epic-is-helping-tollywood-challenge-bollywoods-dominance-over-the-indian-film-industry-10402812.html Title and the 2nd paragarph (Clearly states its a Telugu film)

All of the above articles are from trusted sites Pradeeps369 (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2015 (UTC)Pradeep[reply]

Again, no one cares about the industry but about the languages. As stated at the top of List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Highest_grossing_Tamil_films, the films are based primarily but it also includes films produced overseas. No one cares where the film was produced. Adding the separate language was a compromise as the alternate was just to cut them all out and leave it with just the top lists like every other nation does. Sources state both so you having sources that only identify one doesn't change that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Bahubali has to be under the Telugu cinema section and not in both Tamil and Telugu. What is the meaning of all versions ? The original language section is to be where the movie represents. Every single movie under the Tamil section is made in Telugu, why is it not being represented under Telugu section aswell and only mentioned as (all versions) in brackets ? Similarly Baahubali has the mention of (All versions) beside itslef is that not enough? Why make this additional fuss about it ? Marchoctober (talk) 18:54, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's under Teleugu isn't it? Are you arguing for just Tamil, just Telugu or both? Your comment is confusing. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:45, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between Baahubali and all of these other movies is that Baahubali was, from the start, made in both languages, whereas the others were made in Tamil and subsequently dubbed into Telugu. There is no single "original language" for Baahubali. I have also reverted these two edits on the film's article by Pradeeps369 which appear to be an inexplicable effort to mask the bilingual nature of the film which is well supported by sources linked elsewhere on this talk page by TRPoD Cannolis (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My argument is in support that the article must remain as is, and that Baahubali must be under Telugu section only and the information (All version) as currently present must be retained. Marchoctober (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And that argument will be ignored as it is not based on any policy and is contradicted by a wide range of reliable sources Forbes to the Guardian to the Times of India to IBN to NDTV to The National . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why ignore the argument, here is an article from your own trusted site "The Guardian" and Forbes, But more recent articles from July 12th 2015 and July 20th Respectively

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/12/baahubali-the-beginning-review-fantastic-bang-for-your-buck-in-most-expensive-indian-movie-ever-made http://www.forbes.com/sites/saritharai/2015/07/20/look-whos-reaping-the-bonanza-from-baahubali-indias-most-expensive-film-ever/

Which states it as a Telugu film

And please i'm not debating with you people. In the page " Baahubali: the Begining" let it be like Telugu and Tamil as it was shot in both languages. But when it comes to grossigs, the credit shall only be given to the Primary language in which it was intended to be shot in. Please don't say no one cares about the industry. In India that is what most people care about,

Tamil Industry - only produces tamil films (might be dubbed into other languages) Hindi - only produces Hindi films (might be dubbed into other languages) Telugu - only produces Telugu films (might be dubbed into other languages), the reason some movies are shot in Tamil is becasue the taxation system in Tamil nadu state, Straight Tamil movie - 0% tax, Dubbed Tamil movie - 15% tax. where as in Andhra pradesh & Telangana (Telugu Speaking states), both straight telugu movies & Dubbed telugu movies are taxed almost equally. Simultaneously shot or dubbed is just for economic reasons and so they are not much different Do not turn deaf ear on this, If you are from India you would be understanding this better. Even i want Wikipedia to show accurate information and that is the point i'm trying to make

And one suggestion: Apart from the language column, Can you please add a column called "industry". In that you can credit the industry from which it was produced like "Bollywood", "Telugu film industry" and "Tamil film industry" etc.. and then we can actually portray accurate information and scenarios So that the article can do justice to all the arguments made in this discussion . Please do not ignore the sensitivities just to honor some minute technicalities. Thanks

by your own admission "it was shot in both languages" . Story over. and no, we will not add "industry" just to mollify crusaders. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here comes the arrogant responses. I don't think the admins can be arrogant and turn deaf ear to requests with proper reasons. I'm not suggesting to mollify anything, i'm asking to provide more details. If you want to be technical let us be too technical and give more detailed information to the last bit rather than presenting half baked information. If you can't do that, step aside and let other mature admins handle this page.

I agree that the sections like Highest_grossing_Tamil_films , Highest_grossing_Telugu_films and Highest_grossing_Hindi_films should infact be renamed as Tamil_film_industry , , Telugu_film_industry and Hindi_film_industry. This makes so much more sense.

@User:TheRedPenOfDoom I think you are in violation the wikipedia's NPOV by pushing your opinions you are indulging in Wikipedia:Tendentious_editing, and trying make the article represent your ideas and opinions, you are accusing users of making wrongs right but infact you are violating the same rule, what problem would you have to represent the information in a more sensible manner as mentioned by the above user, on the article by using industry names instead of languages. Also calling people crusaders and using terms like mollify above does not make you win the argument, infact using terms like mollify and crusaders you are personally attacking other users, please refrain from doing so.
Marchoctober (talk) 00:37, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any response beyond inappropriate personal attacks? The sections are for "films shot in Hindu", "films shot in Tamil" and "films shot in Telugu". It was shot in both Tamil and Telugu and that's a more logical distinction than the endless bickering over whether a film is "really" a Hindi/Tamil/Telugu industry film (whatever that means). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You used "Hindu" instead of "Hindi" , Hindu is a Religion & Hindi is a Language. Your choice of words shows that your knowledge about india is limited, which is fine as you may be from a different country. When so many voices are raised against your traditional approach on categorization can't you just please try to understand the scenario better and why are so many people against your approach. This is not a fanboy enthusiasm, if you can please try to do more research on the film, the directors, crew you can easily come to a conclusion. The problem is not regarding the language of the film but putting the film's grossings under a different language other than the native language

It was a typo. Don't insult people and don't presume anything. The point is guessing how much of a film constitutes a "Hindi/Tamil/Telugu film industry" film (is it actors? directors? producers? location? when an actor crosses over does the industry change?) just leads to these pages of arguing because it's just original research guessing by the people here. If Punjabi actors do a film in Hindi but shoot it in America with etc., etc., it's just endless fighting here. In contrast, the language used when they shot the film is simple enough. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to keep it as language and not film industry, this article which is exclusively about Grossing, there are multiple films on this list for example Enthiran which is listed only as Tamil language, but it was released in Hindi, Telugu and tamil and it grossed in all these languages, but it was always mentioned as Tamil because it is from Tamil film industry/Kollywood. Similarly Baahubali has to be mentioned as Telugu/Tollywood though it has other versions.
Marchoctober (talk) 06:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How should classify the film Baahubali? This is both for the main table and for whether it should be included in any of the subtables.

Tamil and Telugu

• Support both Tamil and Telugu as explained below. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• support per the multiple reliable sources Forbes to the Guardian to the Times of India to IBN to NDTV to The National which identify the film as bilingual Tamil / Telugu. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support for obvious reasons. The film was shot in both languages, there is no reason to deviate from reliable sources as a way to accommodate the fragile egos of a select group of readers. Elspamo4 (talk) 17:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Has been endlessly explained in above discussions. Cannolis (talk) 18:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support This is a fairly unique situation, in that two versions of the film were made at the same time. I think the film should be treated as both a Telugu and a Tamil film. I don't really get what the fuss is all about except maybe some hometown/language/culture pride? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil only

Telugu only

• Support Telugu Only. Marchoctober (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Baahubali is undoubtedly a Telugu movie which is simultaneously dubbed into Hindi,Tamil,English and French. How could it be in the list of highest grossing tamil movies? This is a blunder mistake on wikipedia, it must be verifed as soon as possibleJohnnyBlaze007 (talk) 16:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Its a telugu movie dubbed into another 4 languages. Ricky is behaving as a true Madrasi.175.101.16.161 (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Struck ethnic slur. Elspamo4 (talk) 17:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

• Baahubali: The Beginning was shot in both the Tamil and Telugu languages and then dubbed in various other languages. There is no disputing that amongst the sources. Rather than trying to figure out how much of a film constitutes a Tamil/Telugu (or Hindi or Punjabi)-"industry" film (based on actors/directors/producers/location shot), since it was shot in both Tamil and Telugu originally (and then dubbed elsewhere) it should be listed as both Tamil and Telugu language film. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It was removed from Tamil again with this misleading edit. I'm not in the mood to fight it anymore. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Telugu Only. Marchoctober (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you elaborate? As noted above, this is not a vote so policy discussions would be preferable and I know that there's pages of the same arguments going in circles but it would be really helpful if you could put it in a short summary here as many people may not respond to every repeated discussion. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the sections

• Baahubali is a Bilingual
• Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Film_language_versus_industry
• Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Tamil_Films_misrepresenting_information

The above users all are biased users which is why I have started those sectionsMarchoctober (talk) 08:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, everyone is biased but you and everyone who agrees with you. They are so biased that you require multiple discussions and pages and tangents to not a point other than "it's insulting for it to be called a Tamil film." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know what to say. But, as per the trade is concerned, the Tamil version is lacking behind when compared to the remaining two major releases (Telugu and Hindi). If you want me to classify which language Baahubali belongs to, i would opt for a Telugu-Tamil bilingual. Because, the film's director S. S. Rajamouli told IANS — Given the budget of the film, it’s impossible to recover the cost involved if we release in one language. Right from the start, the plan was to make it as a Tamil-Telugu bilingual. Hence, we cast actors who are popular in both the industries. Here is the reference for the same.

When the director himself admits that Baahubali is a bilingual, i think that should be valued more than anything else. And, for all those who are concerned that Telugu cinema isn't getting its due recognition, i want to cite the case of Eega. That film, also a bilingual directed by Rajamouli, received acclaim mostly for its Telugu version. National Film Awards, Filmfare Awards South and all notable awards were received by the Telugu version only. In the case of Baahubali, Telugu cinema is being praised by the International media and fortunately, the same can be placed in the article and summarised in the lead provided the content is written neutrally.

So, i suggest this option — Specify Baahubali as an Indian bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu and Tamil. Next, specify in the poroduction section that Rajamouli planned it as a bilingual only to recover the cost involved which he found impossible if released in only one language. For all who are concerned for Telugu cinema recognition, please write the content from International magazines in a neutral way in the "Legacy" section. As per WP:LEAD the same would be summarised in the lead section where we can see a statement similar to "Due to the success of Baahubali, Telugu film industry was noted and praised by International magazines such as Forbes and The Guardian". Any one who does or does not support this may explain their arguments below. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly don't have objective criteria here. What do you mean that by "the Tamil version is lacking"? We aren't removing it from the Tamil language just because you personally don't think it was the best version, that's a nonsensical way to categorize things. And it's not about whether the Tamil industry "deserves" or doesn't recognition, it's about a single film and what's the best way to classify the films on this page (I'm starting to learn towards a delete all the subtables and just list films approach). And if you care about more about praising Telugu cinema than anything else, you're here for the wrong reasons. That's not the point of this page. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate Pavanjandhyala presenting reliable sources to qualify their statements, and they are certainly right in re-asserting that the film is bilingual, but I too share your sentiment regarding the mindset that a certain industry 'deserves praise'. This page is not for 'praising' a certain 'industry'. This isn't the scope of the page. This page has absolutely nothing to do with a film's industry. I am also in agreement that all subsections should be removed. Perhaps a new RFC should be started in the near future with regards to your proposal. Elspamo4 (talk) 09:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If that is the case, then here is my explanation. Baahubali is a bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu & Tamil and dubbed into Hindi in order to recover the making costs which is confirmed by its director in an interaction to IANS. There is no need to project it as only a Telugu film for the acclaim Telugu version has received because that shall not change just because the film is a bilingual. So i suggest that the film (includes both the parts) be mentioned as a bilingual one in the lead and mention in the Production section that this film was made as a bilingual to recover the making costs. What say? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this bizarro argument about only the Telugu version being acclaimed coming from? Are there sources that say that the Tamil version is horrid or something? It's literally the same film. No, that's not a solution as it entirely ignores the other language it was made in. Further, arguing about the reason a film was made in various language (again without providing sources) as a justification for how it should be categorized is again original research as if certain reasons (budget, financing, marketing) are good while others are not. The film was made in two languages. We should not be coming back here when the next film make in two languages (or three) [made, not dubbed that seems clear] to debate about what reasons it was made in those various languages, whether one language makes it "more" acclaimed than another or "more" amazing or whatever that accomplishes nothing here in terms of consistency and is just people here picking and choosing based on their personal interests. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See. I provided the source in my first message here. If you missed it, here is the reference i quoted and it was not an original research as you say. With this, i can prove that Baahubali is a bilingual film. Coming to the acclaim problem, many websites such as Forbes and all mentioned the Telugu version of Baahubali in particular. This and the box office success of the film "as a whole" (i mean together in all languages) made a few quote that Baahubali is only a Telugu film. By stating the reason why this film was made as a bilingual, i want to make it clear that this is not just a Telugu film but a bilingual. Nothing else from my side. I'm done with it. What all can do after reading the content in that source carefully and this last message of mine here, please do the needy. I just wanted to make sure that the filmmaker's intention is clearly mentioned in the related articles (Baahubali: The Beginning, Production of Baahubali and Baahubali: The Conclusion) to avoid unnecessary confusions regarding the issue whether this is a bilingual or not. Thank you for letting me participate in this productive discussion and i think, its time i say good bye to this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. How does "bilingual" = Telugu only? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

snide: It runs through the "industry" which squeezes all the Tamil out. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Plz update the bajrangi bhaijaan collections.they remain same from past 5 days. Movie collects 70 to 80 crores from domestic marke t.so update it. all update you can find from bajrangi bhaijaan wiki page.Imnew user so idint know how to edit.so plz update the figures.plz and categories like highest opening day,highesy weekend.highest week collections.are to be shown.plz do it.and make this page cool — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4shobhit1987 (talk • contribs)

 Not done Wikipedia is not a second by second cash receipt scroll. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there some type of standard Wikipedia:Editnotice that can be put on this page, like something in big red letters that says "If you do not provide a reliably published source and a valid rationale, your suggested edit will NOT BE ACCEPTED." ? If one doesn't exist, can we design one? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a suggestion at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/List of highest-grossing Indian films if anyone wishes to comment. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:12, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why Atharintiki Daredi is not in the list for telugu movies? It is supposed to be second in the list (after baahubali) http://www.ibtimes.co.in/top-worldwide-share-telugu-039yevadu039-039svsc039-039attarintiki-daredi039-039mirchi039-and-other-films-538981 Bsravikiran (talk) 22:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Probably an oversight, check the history. I'm confused. The article says that Attarintiki Daredi had $74.88 crore which would be at the bottom not second. Also, the IBT page is just sourcing [3] which is discussed above as not a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The highest grossing marathi film is lai bhaari with 73 crore as mentioned in Lai_Bhaari Darpan3383 (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I only found an older source. The Wikipedia page isn't a sources so reviewing those sources in detail (1) This source only says 40 crore for Lai Bhaari (but 24 for Duniyadari which should be included); (2) this and this also says 40 crore for Lai Bhaari so I don't know where 73 comes from. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted User:Marchoctober's edit here because I think it's clearer to organize the films as by language and not by "industry". Again, how much of a film has to be done in a particular place to constitute which "industry" it's part of just leads to more original research and infighting than a simple language separation. Along with concerns about the headings breaking the MOS, looking at other articles, it's done simply by language (for example, there's argument that there exists various film industries in the US not just in Hollywood but we don't separate it that way). List of highest-grossing films in Hong Kong uses Chinese-language not a "film industry" distinction. The only other page I could find with separate countries was List of most expensive non-English-language films which breaks into language I think. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Language is not as precise as film industry information is, this article which is exclusively about Grossing, there are multiple films on this list for example Enthiran which is listed only as Tamil language, but it was released in Hindi, Telugu and tamil and it grossed in all these languages, but it was always mentioned as Tamil because it is from Tamil film industry/Kollywood. Similarly Baahubali has to be mentioned as Telugu/Tollywood though it has other versions. It has been traditionally followed as industry way of representing information but was mentioned in form of language, as language was almost analogous to film industry, but now since language is not a precise way of representing the information, for example films are made in multiple languages, film industry is the right way to represent the precise information.Marchoctober (talk) 06:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How is language not more precise? What constitutes a particular film industry? The actors? The directors? The producers? Where it was shot? It's a distinction that is entirely based on the language. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why is and was Enthiran represented as Tamil/Kollywood film and not as Telugu, Hindi and Tamil film, though it made money releasing in other languages and this article is about grossing/making money? Enthiran made money in Telugu, Hindi, Tamil and probably some other languages also but it is represented as Tamil language alone, which is not accurate, so to remove this inaccuracy and have more precise information on the article it is important to represent a film with its film industry and not language. Marchoctober (talk) 06:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

'Film industry' isn't a conventional way of categorizing films. Sources have multiple ways of classifying which film industry a film is produced; it is a highly variable and subjective term. I looked for sources on the India Information Ministry and they did not have any listings of 'industries'. Even the BBC mentions only the languages of the highest grossing films and omits any mention of their industries. And in fact, they do mention Enthiran as a Tamil, Hindi and Telugu film. I think we need to get more participants in this discussion so we can come to a reasonable consensus. Elspamo4 (talk) 06:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It also doesn't make sense when there are people who want to argue about splitting the gross figures into each language version rather than overall grosses (see here). The current Baahubali listing under Telugu for some reason says "all versions" implies that there's a distinction that needs to be made. Ignoring that we have zero sources about these splits, no other film article does that. When American films, for example, are dubbed, we ignore that and take the entire gross as a default. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is completely illogical. Reliable sources don't make any such distinction. I think that some people may be confused over the subject of this page's scope. Thus far, no one has supported the position of sorting the films by industry with any sort of policies or reliable sources. Full page protection should be reapplied. Elspamo4 (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Elspamo4 How well versed are you with Indian films ? Have you ever seen one single indian film ? How will you represent a film like Enthiran which was represented as only a single language film for over 4 or five years, as multiple language film ? It is now widely accepted as a single language film, can you go back in time and do the change? Language is traditionally analogous to film industry I make it clear to you, which you are unable to understand but is taken for granted in India, which you are unable to understand. Also please see the below section I created about Tamil films misrepresenting information, please do not give one sided and biased comments like the full protection should be appllied again, without knowing fully well about the topics you are participating in. Please be patient for a consensus and i request you to be neutral rather than taking a side, you only saw two other users other than yourself and you started taking a side immediately, please wait for a consensus. Marchoctober (talk) 08:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Acting like you're the only one qualified to make an opinion doesn't help your cause. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchoctober: My comment regarding page protection isn't one sided, in my view it would be conducive to attaining a consensus. Language is not analogous to film industry, or else major publications like the BBC would not be listing more than a single language for an Indian film (while entirely omitting any mention of its industry). As I already said, the BBC article lists Enthiran as a trilingual film and I think it should be represented as such. At this point, film industry doesn't seem to be a viable method of grouping each film, and you have not remotely attempted to address my or Ricky's concerns. And please do not patronize me, I don't need to be a film connoisseur to logically deduce the faults of categorizing a film by its 'industry'. Also, it would be preferable if you and Padukati raju would try partake in discussion before going around making major changes and reverting people. Elspamo4 (talk) 08:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

use the language, clearly. none of the sources use "industry" to identify the box office takes, we dont make up our own categorization. and if we did by "industry" that would mean removal of nearly all the content as it would be impossible to verify and of the claims . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should discuss the proper headings and the order of them. First, I think we should remove the dashes and parentheses against the manual of style (either "Highest grossing Hindi-language film" or "Highest grossing Bollywood" but not both). Second, I think it should be organized in alphabetical order by the languages following the general grosses (it also by coincidence puts Hindi or Bollywood on top which is the largest industry). I think that's easier than an argument over which industry is greater or other methods. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the language. period. We dont use nicknames. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When it is known that all the Tamil films in the list are released in more than just Tamil, absolutely all of them in the list why is this user indulging in removing this information ? See Diff
Also this information has been hidden from the article from a very long time.
Every Single film is released in multiple languages more than just Tamil language, please see below along with sources but they are not represented fairly:

• Enthiran languages = Telugu, Tamil, Hindi ^[1]
• I Film languages = Telugu Tamil Hindi ^[2]
• Viswaroopam languages= Telugu Tamil and Hindi ^[3]
• Dasavatharam languages = Telugu Tamil and Hindi ^[4]
• Linga languages = Telugu Tamil and Hindi ^[5]
• sivaji languages = TeluguTamil and hindi ^[6]
• Kaththi languages = Telugu Tamil and Hindi ^[7]
• Arrambam languages = Telugu and Tamil ^{[8] [9]}
• Thupakki languages = Telugu and Tamil^[10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchoctober (talk • contribs)

Do you have a point here? Films get dubbed and released in other languages. We don't list every major American blockbuster here when they come to India. Do you want these languages changed to include or removed or what? What's fair to you? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vyas.phy (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Denied Include a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Db135: made these edits but I don't think that boxofficecapsule.com is a reliable source as defined at WP:RS. It's an unsourced blog and this page states that it's provided some unnamed, unexplained "scientific approach." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

no it is not one of the accepted Box office sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films Please update table for hindi films according to the all time films<[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darpan3383 (talk • contribs)

@Darpan3383:, can you explain what you want? You're linking to the same page twice. Are you talkign about the former page here? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

183.82.111.145 (talk) 12:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[copy and paste of the article redacted]

 Not done Please do not copy the entire article, instead make your request in the form of "Please change XXX to YYY" or "Please add/remove ZZZ" . You will also need to provide a reliably published source with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight that verifies the suggested content -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bajrangi Bhaijaan should be after Chennai express but it is before Baahubali. The reference cited shows that its gross is 410cr and it is also after Chennai express movie in the reference page list. So please update if my argument seems correct. 14.139.69.62 (talk) 13:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

:You will need to provide a specific reliably published source with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight not just a wave to some other Wikipedia article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC) I misread the request. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Give gross collection figure of the movie'attarintiki darade' in top grossing telugu movies 1.39.80.78 (talk) 13:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Most Grossing Malayalam Movies Drishyam 81.20 Crores Premam 52.70 Crores Banglore Days 50 Crores Twenty Twenty 32.6 Crores

 Not done Please make your request in the form of "Please change XXX to YYY" or "Please add ZZZ" . And you will also need to verify the content change by providing a reliably published source with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good decision to Protecting the page - Yasir72.multan ^Talk _Contribs
15:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But it's the wrong one. Please take out the Tamil and put Telugu back at the top. Telugu make good films, Tamil just steal from industry

Of course it's The Wrong Version. No harm in it being that way for a few days while the community discusses how to proceed, and then change it as necessary. DMacks (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is an incorrect reference to Bajrangi Bhaijaan. The reference states the gross as 413 crores whereas in Wiki it gets translated to 437 crores. Inspiredrighteous (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It'd be easier for admins to implement a request if an experienced editor indicated it was uncontroversial. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sardaar Ji is only highest grossing punjabi film with net gross of ₹5 crore (US$630,000) worldwide.^[1] Deepcruze (talk) 20:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No one cares about Punjabi now. They have to fix it  the Telugu Listings NOW