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Criticism section?

I've seen a lot of criticism of Vevo by different sources, on issues such as it pushing home user videos out of the spotlight (I saw a TON of this when "Bad Romance" hit more total views than "Charlie Bit My Finger") and its publishing of only censored versions of videos. It seems to have a lot of critics of its recent influence on YouTube. Many of the highest rated user comments on several videos are statements like "FUCK VEVO" as well. I've heard people claim that Vevo is likely inflating the view counts on its videos in one way or another too. I feel like someone should maybe compile a section covering this type of information.Josh (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Separate criticism sections are not usually good writing style, as they can become magnets for soapboxing and WP:COATRACK edits. Vevo has picked up a fair amount of criticism from regular YouTube users, but criticism needs to be reliably sourced rather than unsourced personal opinion. The charts on Vevo are a puzzle, because it seems odd that some of the videos on Vevo have managed to achieve more views in a few months than Charlie Bit My Finger or Evolution of Dance did in several years. However, it is hard to comment on the ratings system without proper sourcing. Vevo has also been criticized for showing censored versions of videos, but even in the days of YouTube, Avril Lavigne was blanked in Girlfriend when she sang "I'm the mother****ing princess". Some pop videos have NSFW content, and they tend to be toned down for Vevo. There are a lot of comments on Vevo videos criticizing the service, but they are not a reliable source that could be used in the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

<http://blogs.hbr.org/haque/2009/12/how_vevo_makes_google_more_lik.html> Critique of Vevo appearing in the Harvard Business Review. 06:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

i agree there should be a criticism section added because vevo has received a lot criticism from youtube users.

I second that, Vevo is the target of a lot of criticism from the Youtube community, this should be mentioned. Some reasons include removal of other user's videos, often lyrics videos, on copyright ground, the message of the video not being available in "your country," and the ads. The lack of national availability is the source of a lot of hate towards Vevo, I know I was personally irked that the video for Piano Man, by Billy Joel, is not available to me for this reason despite residency in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trent1994 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree. Not talking about the heavy criticism (found on all of their videos on YouTube) means ignoring an important fact.--Athaba (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree as well. I see an incredible number of "*$#%@ VEVO" comments on YT - and came here wondering why everyone seems to hate it. They do censor some content apparently - but so do lots of other media sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.143.128 (talk) 16:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to add a criticism section twice but the User: ianmacm keeps removing them because he for claims they are "Unsourced" like ian mate if you don't believe vevo is criticized by youtube users check out the vevo videos on youtube there are always many criticizing comments on them everyday — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trent1994 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here is WP:SPS. I'm not disputing that there are numerous critical comments about Vevo posted on the videos, but since people can say whatever they like on message boards, they are not considered to be a reliable source. This is an ongoing problem, because it would be useful to have some criticism of Vevo in the article, but an anonymous message board posting would not be suitable.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, perhaps someone could make a request to VEVO that they "respond to criticism of their service"? If only for the SOLE purpose of generating a "reliable reference" (a statement from the company would I suppose technically be a press release, but I don't know what else WOULD be a reliable source.. That says something like, "people have criticized the VEVO service for its alleged censorship of some small bits (like individual single words) content, alleged questions as to whether we can count, as well as <whatever else people seem to hate about it.." I don't know what that is - that's why I typed "Vevo wikipedia" into Google in the first place.. 216.9.142.231 (talk) 21:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)Jim[reply]


I myself have many criticism for vevo and have to object to the censorship you yourself are creating here Ian... I have to ask you if you can offer proof of these complaints being solely based on 'message boards'

you sir are making post without reliable sourcing... Also sir no where in your articles or responses have you listed a link to define reliable sources...

Please provide those sources otherwise you are doing exactly what you are claiming others here are doing....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.144.232 (talk) 23:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how it works: The burden of proof is on you.--Matija (talk) 20:10, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The burden of proof is also on Ian to prove everything else that is written about Vevo on here. Herm... I don't seem to see too many citations for any of this stuff... Oh... is Vevo's website a reliable source? Is Vevo's website more reliable than a personal blog? Just as biased! It is a fact that on nearly every Vevo video the highest rated comment is "Vevo Sucks." I have a feeling that if I was to do a study and select 100 random Vevo videos and determine the number of them that has a Vevo sucks comment on them - and then published my study in a respected academic journal - Ian would still end up deleting the addition to this page! Ian probably works for Vevo. He has been hired to defend them on the internet. But, stopping people from including a criticism section on wikipedia is like putting your finger in a dam. It's a losing battle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.166.37 (talk) 22:13, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ian does not work for Vevo. Wikipedia articles should avoid separate "Criticism/Controversy" sections because they are WP:COATRACKs. Saying "Vevo sucks" is easy, but what the article needs is some reliably sourced criticism. The media has said very little about Vevo as a whole, this is an ongoing problem for the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 02:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's because "the media" does not see things the same way we (the users) do. Professional media sources all all pro-VEVO because they don't understand the whole idea of the criticism. It's a whole conflict-of-interest to rely on these people for information when it comes to the opinions of the users themselves. --67.180.161.183(talk)06:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Some of you need to realize that most people on Youtube are saying "Fuck VEVO" because they hate Justin Bieber ads. That's purely personal opinion.

I think that having absolutely no criticism section by citing WP:COATRACK preemptively is an incorrect use of the spirit of this rule and is hindering the WP:NPOV perspective of this article. If the criticism has been reported by a reliable source or by at least a large number of less-than reliable sources, then it should be mentioned here with the appropriate precautions and responses (if citations exist). Let the editors work on the article freely and then discuss how the content should be edited to maintain Wikipedia standards. We must assume good faith WP:AGF. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The page is in desperate need of a criticism section, VeVo viewers are reliable sources imho 82.41.107.218 (talk) 12:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 25 August 2013

Lady Gaga's Applause needs to be removed from the "Previous Records" List. It has never broke the 24 hour record, it did not even come close to it and the Tweet Figures have also yet to be verified. Thank You

Lady Gaga have now 8 videos with "Paparazzi" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.157.159.240 (talk) 21:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be  Already done. BryanG (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 17 September 2013

Taylor Swift should also be in the Artists with most certified videos category. She just got her 6th Vevo Certification for her music video 22 . Source: Official Vevo Twitter Account https://twitter.com/VEVO/status/379747374807019521

Anticore22 (talk) 08:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This page is no longer protected, so anyone may make this change, as long as it is supported by WP:RS. I'm not sure if Twitter is one. RudolfRed (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request of Edition: Vevo certified video

Lady Gaga has the third record of the fastest vevo certified video with 38 days — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.234.207.196 (talk) 06:36, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 6 November 2013

One Direction's "Story of My Life" should be added to "Videos with most views in first 24 hours". They beat themselves with 12.5 million views, putting them at #2 on the list. Source: VEVO Twitter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.171.40 (talk) 06:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be  Already done.

Most Viewed VEVO Videos in 24 Hours

For this section, One Direction's Story of My Life is second most viewed in 24 hours with 12.5 million.[1]

This means Nicki Minaj's Stupid Hoe is out of the list.

Thanks

121.127.207.215 (talk) 21:16, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be  Already done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgeforyou101 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 15 November 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

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