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I'm attempting to add annotated historical content to the Owen Hargreaves article about the controversy caused in Canada by his decision to play for the English national team. My edits are continuously deleted by a User PeeJay2K3 without putting up any proof that the controversy is untrue. How do I escalate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilOwens (talk • contribs) 16:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You may open a discussion at WT:FOOTY. But please sign your edits. --Jaellee (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If goals and appearances are unknown for a player due to lack of sources, what is the appropriate way of displaying the lack of information in the infobox? --MicroX (talk) 17:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In such cases I leave the goals and apps empty. --Jaellee (talk) 18:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that assists/clean sheets are not included in the template table. Does it mean that we need to help remove the assists and clean sheets columns in all of the football player articles?--Miunouta (talk) 23:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assists and Clean Sheets should be removed per WP:FOOTY JMHamo (talk) 00:23, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it necessary to provide a reference to every single season in the stats table like the Carl Jenkinson article does? Or should we simply replace it by one single reference that includes all of the stats? I added this ESPN page http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/150844/carl-jenkinson?cc=5901#ui-tabs-1 and removed the 4 soccerbase references while keeping the source for the one FA Trophy game he played. However, my edits were reverted by the administrator. So, should we have a source for every season? Thanks. --Miunouta (talk) 23:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Every season needs its own cite, good articles include divisions and season references in the career stats table, such as Luke Foster and Lee Hughes, so this is what we should be adhering to. JMHamo (talk) 00:31, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But over 90% of the articles listed as 'good articles' do not include divisions and season references in the career stats table, such as Xabi Alonso, Ben Amos, Micky Adams, Mario Balotelli, Joey Barton, Dennis Bergkamp... Instead, they mostly just have 1-3 references at the top and I personally think that looks much cleaner. So what you are saying does not seem to be coherent. Maybe most of the articles in the 'good articles' list should be removed from the list based on what you said.--Miunouta (talk) 00:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Good articles" have to pass a specific set of WP-wide criteria. That doesn't necessarily make them examples of best practice WP:FOOTY-wise. And improving Wikipedia is a gradual process: nothing happens overnight. As to row-by-row referencing, people seem to be going over to doing that. It's easier for the curious reader to tell which reference applies to which set of stats: we shouldn't expect them to search through a row of refs at the top of the article if they want to verify a particular stat. And from a wishful-thinking point of view, if the anon editors who do most of the updating on stats tables get used to the idea of inline sources, they may be more likely to update with reference to that source, rather than just ignoring some number in square brackets miles above the row they're updating. If there's a particular reliable source that does verify every (or nearly every) entry in the stats table, it does no harm to repeat the link on each row. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:57, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it necessary to add a note that states what European competition a player played in like the Carl Jenkinson article does? I removed the note because no other articles do that but it was put back by the administrator. So do we need to do the same for every other applicable article? Thanks.--Miunouta (talk) 23:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes is the short answer. If a player plays in many European competitions over his career, it's important to be able to see quickly what they were involved in that season. JMHamo (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But it seems like few of the 'good articles' have that kind of information in them. Is it that they should not be considered as 'good articles' or it is just unnecessary to include that information?--Miunouta (talk) 00:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1. Is a 'Total' row needed if the player has only played for the club for one season (e.g. one-year loan spell)? What if it is the current season?
2. Do we need to add multiple 'Total' rows if a player has 2 or more spells at one club? For example, if the player has 2 spells at a club, should the second 'Total' be the sum of the first 'Total' and the second one? What if they have 3 spells at the same club?
3. Shouldn't the league cells/rows be merged if it's the same league?
4. Shouldn't the template include a Continental(e.g. Europe) column?
5. How are we supposed to indicate what cups the player has played for?
6. The situation where cup or other is not applicable is not demonstrated in the template.
7. What should the seasons link to? For example, should we link 2000–01 to 2000–01 Premier League or 2000–01 Template United F.C. season? What if none of the two exist?
8. Should season cells be merged if the player played at 2 or more clubs in one season? If so, what if they played in different leagues?
--Miunouta (talk) 04:04, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]