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::Well, there is numerous sources for this. [http://www.kurir-info.rs/vesti/kriza-na-kosovu/hronologija-krize-na-severu-kim-125612.php CHRONOLOGY OF CRISIS IN NORTHERN KIM], [http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/solution-to-north-kosovo-crisis-in-sight Solution to North Kosovo Crisis "In Sight"], [http://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Regions-and-countries/Kosovo/The-northern-Kosovo-crisis-99511 The northern Kosovo crisis], [http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=08&dd=04&nav_id=75754 "Sides close to solution to north Kosovo crisis"], etc, etc... --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:WhiteWriter |WhiteWriter ]]<sup>[[User talk:WhiteWriter |speaks]]</sup></span> 16:21, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
::Well, there is numerous sources for this. [http://www.kurir-info.rs/vesti/kriza-na-kosovu/hronologija-krize-na-severu-kim-125612.php CHRONOLOGY OF CRISIS IN NORTHERN KIM], [http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/solution-to-north-kosovo-crisis-in-sight Solution to North Kosovo Crisis "In Sight"], [http://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Regions-and-countries/Kosovo/The-northern-Kosovo-crisis-99511 The northern Kosovo crisis], [http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=08&dd=04&nav_id=75754 "Sides close to solution to north Kosovo crisis"], etc, etc... --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:WhiteWriter |WhiteWriter ]]<sup>[[User talk:WhiteWriter |speaks]]</sup></span> 16:21, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. After a bit of googling around, it does seem to me that the proposed name is more common, and it has the benefit of neutrality to boot. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 01:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. After a bit of googling around, it does seem to me that the proposed name is more common, and it has the benefit of neutrality to boot. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 01:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. As per above.--[[User:Zoupan|Zoupan]] ([[User talk:Zoupan|talk]]) 15:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


== Third phase? ==
== Third phase? ==

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Serbia involvment

I am not sure if Republic of Serbia is officially involved in conflicts. Kosovo Serbs are, however, Serbian Goverment participates only in negotiations and does not support rebelion.--DustBGD89-3 (talk) 21:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New name

2011 North Kosovo crisis is more descriptive--93.137.112.209 (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to start a requested move. Jenks24 (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This may have more credence than the unilateral (and deceptive) move to [its current incarantion. (itf its a broder clash there has to be another border)Lihaas (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I woul dalso support this npov move.Lihaas (talk) 18:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title

There is no border between central Serbia and Kosovo and Metohia, just an administrative line. Border implies two equal entities. However, Kosovo and Metohia is regarded by majority of UN members as autonomous province of Serbia under temporary international rule, based on UN Resolution 1244. Also, former title implied that Serbia was somehow involved in the incidents which is not the case. Perunova straža (talk) 12:14, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Further edits are done on order to have wording that represents the real situation, based on international law, treaties and documents, instead of one-sided biased view. Perunova straža (talk) 12:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly consensus i\s not 1 editor, and to change the title in the box and lead change the article with consensus.
Border does not mean to "equal entities" you have provincial borders and city district lines, etc.Lihaas (talk) 04:33, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edits explained

  1. unexplained[1][2]
  2. unexplained an dunsourced[3]
  3. per title sectio above and pov[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]
  4. edit war without consensus to restore
  5. pov
  6. not done
  7. 2 words?Lihaas (talk) 04:40, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

2011 Kosovo–Serbia border clashes2011 North Kosovo crisis

Entire situation is by far bigger then just border or administrative line, and at the end, new title is NPOV, as Serbia's POV is that we dont have border between Kosovo and Serbia, but just administrative line. All sources points that North Kosovo is location of this events, and not just thin line in question... --WhiteWriter speaks 01:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Has it really been commonly described as a "crisis", though? I've heard much talk of "clashes", but not a "crisis". Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:20, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there is numerous sources for this. CHRONOLOGY OF CRISIS IN NORTHERN KIM, Solution to North Kosovo Crisis "In Sight", The northern Kosovo crisis, "Sides close to solution to north Kosovo crisis", etc, etc... --WhiteWriter speaks 16:21, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. After a bit of googling around, it does seem to me that the proposed name is more common, and it has the benefit of neutrality to boot. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As per above.--Zoupan (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Third phase?

Should we consider these new attacks as a phase number three? Responce appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.173.7 (talk) 15:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, i would say yes... --WhiteWriter speaks 16:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KFOR is not a pro-Albanian force, it is officially neutral, it has fought with ex-KLA forces as well as Serb forces

KFOR is not a pro-Albanian force as some have claimed, it has fought ex-KLA forces, though it has miserably failed in the aftermath of the Kosovo War to protect Serb civilians from ethnic Albanian nationalist militants. See this reference: [13]

KFOR is part of the UNMIK mission in Kosovo. Claims that KFOR is pro-Albanian are common by Serb nationalist and anti-NATO sources, but the reality is that KFOR was created part of a UN-authorized mission with the UN Security Council voting in favour - including Russia (that is widely considered pro-Serbian on Kosovo issues). Generally pro-Serbian governments in Russia and Greece have historically sent soldiers to take part in KFOR.--R-41 (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please point where in article is KFOR claimed as Albanian? Thanks for invite. --WhiteWriter speaks 21:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In the infobox KFOR is put on the side of the Albanian-majority led Republic of Kosovo government versus the Serb-majority led North Kosovo. It is part of UNMIK, that is officially neutral on the ethnic-Albanian vs. Serb ethnic conflict.--R-41 (talk) 21:28, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But, in this moment, KFOR is opposed to Serbs of Kosovo, and not RoK. Сукоби на Јагњеници Template:Sr icon Your edits are factually incorrect. KFOR is NOT officially neutral in this situation, it IS on the side of the RoK, as they try to push RoK's politics, using brutal force. If you want to place KFOR in the neutral section (where they are not) you will have to gain consensus with more then 6 different users agreeing. --WhiteWriter speaks 21:43, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here you can see that, so called neutral, KFOR pushing away and beating peaceful sitting protest in Jagnjenica. In this moment, KFOR is using force over Serb civil population to establish RoK politics and borders on North Kosovo. That is very definition what neutral mission should not do. Wikipedia must be neutral, in the meaning that must present thing as they are, and not as they should be. --WhiteWriter speaks 21:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
From the video that appears like standard riot patrol, plus the protestors were provoking the guards, it was not a sitting protest. KFOR was sent to Kosovo keep ethnic Albanians and Serbs from attacking and killing each other. If KFOR does not show up to put itself between Albanians and Serbs, the Kosovo Security Force would be there and Albanians and Serbs would likely start killing each other. Plus the video is a short, edited clip from Radio Television Serbia a state-sponsored public broadcaster is hardly a neutral source, the Government of Serbia has a stake in the Albanian-Serb ethnic conflict in Kosovo. Look, don't pretend that this is a normal topic, this is a topic about a long-term vicious and murderous ethnic conflict that involves long-held xenophobia and ethnic cleansing by both sides, ethnic Albanian and Serb; I clearly understand that you fully support the Serbian position, and have a predisposition to oppose the Albanian side. Ethnic Albanians and Serbs regularly issue death threats to each other over the internet and call each other vulgar and racist terms; so a report exclusively one side or the other is not reliable, the two sides generally viciously hate each other. Yes, the Western-led component of KFOR probably do have a bias against Serb side, because Western states were blamed by their populations for not doing enough to stop the ethnic cleansing of the Karadzic government of Srpska that Milosevic and his ally in the federal Yugoslav government, Borislav Jovic, agreed to provide financial assistance to and military equipment to Srpska; and the belief by the West that history would repeat itself in Kosovo, if Milosevic's government and Serb nationalist paramilitaries were not stopped in 1999. As I said, KFOR was created by the United Nations as part of UNMIK, with the support pro-Serbian Russia in the UN Security Council, and has had pro-Serbian governments take part in KFOR peacekeeping operations, including Russia and Greece. KFOR has fought against both Serb paramilitary forces and ex-KLA Albanian paramilitary forces to maintain order in Kosovo.--R-41 (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
First, this was sitting protest, video is of the afterwards. Google Jagnjenica. "protestors were provoking"? O c'mon... Again, you explained very well what is the reason for KFOR's existence, and what is their supposed mission, but i didn't talk about past. I am interested in 25 July 2011, and after. In that time, KFOR is not neutral. I dont see how barricade may take peoples life? Barricade is peaceful protest, opposition to the forced politics! But KFOR is trying to brake down the barricade, and push, by force, RoK Albanian custom workers into North Kosovo, what is against agreements. That is cause of the problem in the moment! RoK is not participating, as KFOR is doing their job. KFOR is not neutral in here, KFOR is on RoK's side in this conflict. KFOR is helping RoK to gain full control over entire Kosovo territory, what they should not do. KFOR is directly against Serbia and their citizens, and against political and national will of the Serbs of Kosovo, what we can se by their tearing down of the barricades. Neither KFOR, nor UNMIK should have political attitude in here. They suppose just to stop violance, and to stop possibility of the new war. That is their primary goal in there. KFOR did helped in the past, that is out of the question, but also, they failed to help when it was the most important. You should have in mind that Eastern world have very different attitude toward UNMIK role in Kosovo then the western world (of which you are a member, as you said so your self). In that same atmosphere, Wikipedia should represent factographic trace in time, and not supposed one. --WhiteWriter speaks 14:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
KFOR has to be able to maintain order and stability over the whole of Kosovo as described in the mandate of UNMIK. The Serb protestors are barricading their entrance into the area, and it is well known that the Serbs are planning to secede the north from the Albanian-majority south that the RoK refuses to accept, plus Serb nationalists will never give up their demands for Serbia to get back Kosovo Polje - that will cause a war. Plus there are far more international issues at play than just disgruntled Serbs in North Kosovo. If North Kosovo is allowed to secede, this will set an international precedent for any ethnic enclave to secede, including the Albanians of the Republic of Macedonia, the Turks of Cyprus, the Ossetians of South Ossetia - a sure cause for legitimizing ethnic conflict. As I said, do not ignore the fact that Albanians and Serbs generally viciously hate each other, if KFOR doesn't get inbetween Serb protestors and Albanian law enforcement, they WILL kill each other.--R-41 (talk) 16:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... Well, i am afraid that your comment is filled with personal opinions that are questionable. As far as i know, and as far as media tells us, none really cares for Kosovo Polje. It is only about Serbian people there, and the most important, Medieval Monuments in Kosovo. Kosovo Polje is just a sad story. Also, neither me, neither you can know what will cause the war. Serb nationalists? Can you point that in references, please? I cannot find that warmongering nationalists today even with a stick! Entire political chorus of Serbia acts like kittens now... That anyone of them are really nationalist, we would not be in this situation today, so trust me, it is over with Serbian nationalism. But i am afraid that Albanian nationalism is something all of us should dealt with... Again, we should not talk about North Kosovo future here, we should only talk about present, and the most important, article. Please, gain consensus for your edits, as i am not convinced that those are needed. And, please, dont point my origin as arguments, i know that you didnt meant anything wrong, but if you think that my origin is argument for my edits, i should place Kosovo je Srbija parole everywhere. But i dont do that. Again, gain consensus for your edits, with vast majority of users in favor for your edits. --WhiteWriter speaks 18:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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