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I Would Like To Access This page to Add Invisible Text In The Country Box <!-- Please No Flags Here --> As It Would Enphasise What is Said In The Attributes for That Section

If Not Please Set Another Person on the Task John May's Assassin (talk • message • contribs • page moves • deleted contribs • summary • count • total • logs • block log • block • email)

07:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Please, specify precisely what changes need to be made. Ruslik_Zero 19:20, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. The template code itself is rarely seen by editors. But it may be a good idea to put the comment in the sample code on the documentation. — Edokter (talk) — 19:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion copied from User talk:Anthony Appleyard

• Anthony, I noticed you recently removed the "Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade" request on the Requested moves page, due to it being exactly the same as the old one but did you read the explanation I had about it being Italicized? Do you know how to fix this? AnimatedZebra (talk) 15:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Page Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade transcludes Template:Infobox television, which transcludes Template:Italic title, which sets the page title to display in italics. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• I do understand that but this isn't a television show; Post from another user on Discussion page...

  "This article's title should not be italicized; it is a simple proper noun, not the title of a television program (although there is a television program associated with it that often uses the same name, they are not the same thing)." AnimatedZebra (talk) 15:58, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Continued discussion

First, if it is not an article about a television show then {{Infobox television}} should not be used. To answer the question: as the documentation clearly states: "This infobox automatically italicizes the article title. If this is not required, add |italic_title=no to the list of parameters." _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 17:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Is there any particular spot in the parameters it should go? AnimatedZebra (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• No. Although, as I said, the template should not be used on that page in the first place, or at least not at the top of the page, maybe in the section about the TV coverage. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 22:27, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any interest in nowrapping the phrase (List of episodes), diff? 117Avenue (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no opinions about this, I'll request it being done. 117Avenue (talk) 18:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please nowrap ([[{{{list_episodes}}}|List of episodes]]). Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 23:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. — Edokter (talk) — 00:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the documentation for this a while ago because it was the commonly accepted and standard way to do (giving the episode number of the episodes that have been released, not the ones produced or ordered etc.). Because of the way deals with Canadian shows and their networks are made Deliriousandlost finds that it should be the number of ordered episodes, in short (if I understood it correctly. Read Deliriousandlost's statement) they are legally obligated to air the ordered episodes within a certain timeframe, they cannot not air them. Is there any consensus that Canadian shows should show the number of ordered episodes instead of the number of released episodes? Personally I find that mixing this will only cause more confusion. Other than that if there's support for this I'll be happy to update the template documentation to give Canadian shows (maybe others as well?) an exemption/different guideline for episode count, so that it's at the very least clear. Thanks. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 20:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

O so you did read my note to you last time i saw you doing this. Personally i find it absurd that the content of articles is mixed between how many are ordered and how many are broadcast and there is not always anything more than a digit. The infobox doesn't say "No. of episodes Broadcast To Date" but rather just "No. of episodes". I personally find it confusing to look at an article and see 13 episodes for the first season and the infobox says 10. If i wasn't more aware of the absurd construct and presentation i would instantly assume at least one of those numbers is wrong if not both of them. Episodes exist before they are broadcast. Broadcasting them makes them publicly available but it doesn't suddenly make them exist. That episode of House that is on at 8pm ET still existed at 6.49pm ET. But that is with shows in general. As to the Canadian television industry, things function really different from the way they do in the USA. Bignole, if you read this know that the only reason Aquaman ever was seen by you and will be on the Smallville complete series is because it got Canadian tax credits and had to be broadcast somewhere in Canada. Aquaman was shown on YTV and was made available to Americans on iTunes. If not for that mandatory broadcast it might still be unseen by yourself. The documentation for this used to address episodes produced. That was fine. People that edit American shows took that to be produced=broadcast. Canadian and British shows tend to be entirely produced before they get to broadcast and changing episode orders is just something that doesn't happen once financing is secured and production started. All 8 episodes of King have been made (7 broadcast as of writing this) and all 4 episodes of Vera were done before it came on itv. Scott & Bailey premiered last night on itv (no article here yet) and all 6 episodes of it are done. This notion that episode orders change and episodes might not be shown is a very American thing that doesn't really apply to most every where else either by common practice or stricter reasons. The closest to that idea of unaired episodes of late in Canada was with Shattered, a show that just wasn't popular at all. It premiered 1 September 2010 and by 24 February 2011 even the pilot episode made in 2008 had been broadcast. 14 episodes in 5 months is more frequent than some American shows are broadcast.
In short, as Xeworlebi wrote the documentation change a few months ago can work for US shows though it is confusing; things don't really work that way most everywhere else and if anything the USA should be the exception to count by broadcast rather than order/commission/production. Else why do we bother noting that ITV commissioned another 13 episodes of Law & Order UK in October last or that FRINGE was given a 22 episode order for its fourth season if all that matters is episodes broadcast. In an 18 episode show like Chase it gets really awkward when you have sources certifying 18 eps but only have info on 17 of them. I prefer to at that point put in something like a "TBA" for the title of ep 18 just to show that it is not missing in error. I find it aids in minimising confusion but do note that such is not the popular practice. As for Endgame, the show Xeworlebi and i are disagreeïng on, the titles and broadcast dates for all 13 eps are available but so far i have only listed 11 of them because Showcase did a very, very rare thing in pulling last week's episode for a repeat almost at the last minute. That episode is on tonight and the others bumped back a week.
OK, so it wasn't that short. Sorry. But what of my writing is ever really that short? delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 21:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I saw your note, I take it the last time I tried to have this discussion with you and suggest you take this here to gain consensus for your different approach and your requested exemptions first, you didn't just ignore me but 'missed it'.

The reason why it was changed was because there are almost never reliable sources giving the correct number of produced episodes, this created many confusing discrepancies between articles, this one showed broadcasted, that one showed produced, another one showed ordered number. It was changed for consistency, and it was already done that way long before I made the change, which I did because there were some who needed it to be set in stone before they accept common practice, and no-one objected to the proposed change. Point being, consistency is good for a reason, since Canadian shows release there episode just like U.S. shows, updating those as they are released is more correct then going produced/ordered/etc. for the U.S. shows, which can turn out plainly incorrect. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 22:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any reason why the number of episodes produced (that is, exist), shouldn't be used (for ended series'). 117Avenue (talk) 23:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please elaborate, you mean give number of episodes released until the show is over (ended or canceled) and then use the number of produced, or use produced while the show's still going? Your use of brackets is confusing. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 10:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The former. Only give the number of aired episodes for series' that are still active. Otherwise conflicts of references, and arguments arise. But this discussion is on ended series'. 117Avenue (talk) 18:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request: Please documented the common standard values for this field. --Javaweb (talk) 01:38, 17 June 2011 (UTC)Javaweb[reply]

I would like to know too, I have seen many different uses of this field. Personally, I'd like this field removed, because I don't think it's necessary. 117Avenue (talk) 03:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MegastarLV claims that the |status=returning series is for shows that are currently airing, interpreting as it's 'returning' for more episodes (tomorrow). Although returning series has in my experience always used to indicate that the show is actually returning from something, from going away; hiatus, cancelation, etc. And this seems to be the most logical meaning of the word returning, you have to actually go somewhere else to be able to return. From the looks of this users' contributions, MegastarLV has changed this on dozens of articles. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 11:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The doc for "last aired" says :

last_aired: The original air date of the show's last episode. Use "present" if the show is ongoing or renewed and {{end date}} if the show is ended. Only insert a finale date after it has happened.

The problem is shows that just stop. They aren't cancelled, but they aren't renewed. People associated with the show may talk it up but nothing is officially announced, and the is no sign of any new production. It can be pretty obvious that the show is an ex-show, but some people insist it's just pining for the fjords. So I've filled in the "last aired" date for a show after the final episode of the final season aired, and nothing except hopeful hot air about any future shows. But I keep getting reverted by people who insist it's "current" until someone officially says it's not. This is silly. If all the shows produced have been aired, and there is no announcement of a new production, then it's time to fill in the "last aired" date. If it does pull a revival, then that's the time to make it "current" again. Is this reasonable? Barsoomian (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]