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I have nominated The Nation of Ulysses discography for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Mm40 (talk) 00:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

So I was working on a discog I was hoping to eventually see through to FL-status, but I'm having a hard time finding info for all of the music-video directors. And it struck me: is this stuff really necessary in a discography? I've been a part of alot of flc's for discogs, and every once and a while a list is failed basically because the list of directors is either incomplete or is lacking a reliable source or two. Is this a standard we really want to keep this lists to? Is this necessary? We usually don't require the producer, for example, to be included with the albums, so are the music video directors in a similar category? I'm not trying to get around doing this work for lists I'm working, it's just that as far as I know this question has never been specifically posed, and I'm not really sure where we (as a project) stand on the issue. Any thoughts? Drewcifer (talk) 03:13, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

What discography? Normally when I find the name of a music video director, I also find information like the year it was created, the album, etc.--Cannibaloki 03:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

LCD Soundsystem discography. As far as I can tell sources for the directors besides nvdbase.com just don't exist. But like I said, I wasn't asking because of this particular list, I was asking a in broad project-wide sense. Drewcifer (talk) 03:58, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

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Ikip 05:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi guys just to let you know we are tying to end an edit dispute here-> Talk:Michael Jackson albums discography#Page Style..... I am post info here as you may want to comment as it pertains to layout.
Please leave a comment Talk:Michael Jackson albums discography#Splitting The Page here thanks for your help!..Buzzzsherman (talk) 08:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

heya, was wondering if anybody could review the above for FLC and add any comments here? thanks :) Mister sparky (talk) 22:01, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I tagged the Dinosaur Jr. discography as needing an expert - it certainly needs one! The numbers are likely incorrect - I used numbers from AllMusic.com but it's clear that some of their songs were established as singles in the UK. Additionally, their footer box seems to be out of date or incorrectly organized. It links to singles articles that have not been created.

Hope someone sees this request and can assist. Thank you very much. mheart (talk) 03:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Should discographies (i.e., a "Discography" section in an article about a musician) be in chronological order or reverse-chronological order, or neither? Is there an MoS that addresses this? I've seen past proposals in various talk page archives, but can't find anything that explicitly says "this is a guideline" etc. Thanx, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Releases should be listed in chronological order. This is covered at WP:LOW#Discographies. — ξ^xplicit 00:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Rather than get in an edit war, I thought I'd pose the question here: Should major label and indie label releases be separate lists within a discography? I would think not, and the majority of discographies I checked here bear that out, but one user (and an IP that is likely the same user) keeps reverting my edits along those lines at Gucci Mane discography. Anyone care to weigh in? TheJazzDalek (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

No reason they should be separate like THAT, no. That doesn't even make sense -- "studio" vs. "independent"? Am I missing something here? Now, separating by label specifically I could see, however, especially if the case in question formed their own label. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 17:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Are there any existing guidelines for discographies of conductors, soloists et al? The guidelines for discographies of pop performers don't lend themselves to classical discographies. I have followed the customary book layout for a recent attempt (Malcolm Sargent discography) but would be much obliged for any guidance members of this project have to offer, as I have another similar discography on the tapis. - Tim riley (talk) 12:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. The Wikimedia Foundation received a notice about this discography, over half of the contents which are albums of Jethro Tull. It's been this way since the 9th. I've tagged the accuracy problem on the article but am a bit swamped with copyright work right now. Anyone around, Blue Öyster Cult fan or otherwise, who might be willing to fix this mess? The creator hasn't returned since launching it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:47, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks like someone was using the Tull discography as a template and created the new page after adding only the first four BÖC albums. I redirected it to Blue Öyster Cult until someone can put a little more effort into it. TheJazzDalek (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Help please!! I am working on the discography of Shirley Bassey: I am having problems with an editor who keeps removing my additions. Is there a rule about adding B-side to a singles discography? He removed the B-sides quoting it as not alllowed..... I maust add he has not offered any help and just quotes the 'rule book', which is a great shame as I thought Wikki was about helping people...I see on other discographies that B-sides are listed but want to know what the official line is on this - can anyone help? (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

B-sides are usually kept on the pages for the singles themselves, not included in the discography. See MOS:DISCOG#What should not be included :D --^{SteelersFanUK06} HereWeGo2010! 01:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to inform any who may be interested, Melanie C discography has been nominated to become a FL. If you want to comment on the article you can post here: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Melanie C discography/archive1. Happy editing! Tsange ^►talk 19:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Someone recently added the article Music recording sales certification to the Discographies Project, which I noticed because it is currently on the "Unassessed" list. I'm not sure if adding that article to the project is appropriate given its topic. And how would it be assessed? I would either assess it as "NA" or remove it from the project altogether, but see no need to be so bold because the article might have some use as background info for project work. Comments? DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Certifications is quite relevant to Discographies. I'm not sure why anyone would even question it. You assess it like any other article on the quality scale, currently a Start-class I'd say. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 23:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Allow me to clarify... it's information that is certainly relevant to discographies, but the article in question is not about a discography itself. That's my concern. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 23:29, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

As Discography. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 23:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I have nominated Smoking Popes discography for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --IllaZilla (talk) 03:19, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello my name is Caden. I'm looking for some feedback from others and I hope some of you can tell me which edit is best. I contacted an admin here [1] over an issue I was having with an IP editor concerning edits on the Tears for Fears discography article. The admin suggested I post here.

Here is the intro version that I believe is good:

The discography of Tears for Fears, a British Synth Pop group, consists of six studio albums, two compilation albums, one live album, and thirty singles. Consisting of Roland Orzabal and Curt Smith, the duo were signed to Polygram Records/Mercury Records in 1982. The group's debut album, The Hurting was released the following year. While the second single, "Mad World" reached #3 on the UK Singles Chart, it was their third single, "Change " that became their first charting single in the United States. Songs from the Big Chair was released in February 1985. The single, "Shout " became the group's first major hit in North America, peaking at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 and the next single, "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" followed similar suit. Their third studio album, The Seeds of Love was released on Fontana Records in 1989. Its lead single, "Sowing the Seeds of Love" reached the Top 5 in the United Kingdom and also followed similar success in the United States. "Woman in Chains," a collaboration with Oleta Adams was a minor international hit, as was, "Advice for the Young at Heart" and "Famous Last Words." The band's first compilation, Tears Roll Down (Greatest Hits 82-92) was issued in March 1992, and spawned one major hit in the United Kingdom. In 1993, Elemental became Tears for Fear's first studio album in four years. Although it was certified Gold in the United States, the lead single, "Break It Down Again" only reached #25 on the Billboard Hot 100. Raoul and the Kings of Spain was released in 1995, and their most recent album, Everybody Loves a Happy Ending was released in 2004.

Here is the IP's preferred version:

This is the discography of the British rock band Tears for Fears. Formed in 1981 by Roland Orzabal and Curt Smith, the duo signed to Phonogram Records in the UK and released their first single the same year. It wasn't until their third single, "Mad World" (1982), that they scored their first hit, and their platinum-selling debut album The Hurting (1983) was a UK number one. Their second album, Songs from the Big Chair, was released in 1985 and became a worldwide hit, establishing the band in the US. After a third platinum-selling album, The Seeds of Love in 1989, Smith and Orzabal parted company and subsequent Tears For Fears albums Elemental (1993) and Raoul and the Kings of Spain (1995) were effectively solo albums by Orzabal. However, the duo reformed in 2000 for a new studio album, Everybody Loves a Happy Ending, which was released in 2004/05.

Which version is accepatable for a discography? Just so you know, the IP and I were not able to agree as seen here [2] on my talk page. Thanks. Caden ^cool 14:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried to merge the texts into a new one?--Cannibaloki 15:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

The IP user's version (or "preferred version" as I'm unsure if they wrote it or not) is the better one because it is more accurate. The intro Caden believes is the better one is riddled with inaccuracies: TFF are not a synth-pop band they are a rock/pop band (Depeche Mode are a synthpop band), they signed in 1981 not 82, Mad World was their third single not second, Change was their fourth single not third, the stuff about the minor singles from The Seeds Of Love is not relevant, etc. I've read the discussions between Caden and the IP user (in the edit summaries and on Caden's talk page) and the IP user asserts that there is too much of an American bias towards Caden's preferred version. Considering TFF are a British band and not American, s/he has a point. Whereas Caden's preferred version is incorrect, there appears to be nothing wrong with the IP user's version. It is concise, the right length for a discography intro, is not filled with unnecessary details but it does includes relevant details that cannot be seen in the discography tables themselves (such as the change of TFF personnel in the 1990s and the reformation of the original line-up in 2000). And above all else - it is 100% accurate. Kookoo Star (talk) 09:22, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you the IP? Or not? Caden ^cool 14:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Caden, no I'm not the IP but I do have an extensive knowledge of British pop music. Also, it might have been beneficial (not to mention good faith) for you to have invited the IP user to this discussion so that they can state their opinions. Kookoo Star (talk) 15:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Good faith? Um, I'm sorry but couldn't because the IP uses multiple accounts to edit from and therefore I could not give them a shout. I covered this in my diff above in my original post. On a side-note I disagree with your previous comment in regards to this thread. Thanks anyway. Caden ^cool 07:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Well you seem to have been able to communicate with each other so far (even though both of you could have shown a little more civility towards each other). I was going to recommend placing a message on the article's talk page directing the IP user (and everyone else) to this discussion but I can see that you did that earlier today. Unfortunately the tone of the message basically continues the incivility and is deliberately misleading because you are trying to paint the other user in a negative light simply because they disagree with you. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with IP editing (it costs nothing to make an account), there is no rule against it. As for my previous comments above, you're entitled to disagree but it still won't make you right - your version is still filled with incorrect information. Perhaps you need to leave this to people who have a greater knowledge of the band than you do. Kookoo Star (talk) 12:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you please see Lily Allen discography#Singles and share your opinion regarding the inclusion of "Back to the Start". It was a limited release, in one country and only one format. It can't even chart. But the user who has put it insists it belogs there. I, for one, believe it shouldn't be added. --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 13:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Both the NME and the BBC describe these releases as singles[3][4]. It also seems to meet the dictionary definition[5]. Needing to chart isn't how a single is defined. --JD554 (talk) 13:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone have any idea about what {{Infobox album discography summary/Header}} is for? It's used nowhere... – IbLeo^(talk) 21:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I personally don't have the slightest idea what that template is for. It was created in 2006, so I'm assuming it went with the now deleted {{Infobox album discography summary}}. Perhaps it can be deleted under {{db-subpage}}? — ξ^xplicit 22:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Not in use, probably no-one even knows what it is (I invite a hang on) so I have tagged it with the above. --^{SteelersFanUK06} HereWeGo2010! 22:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Good work, the template has already been deleted. Thanks. – IbLeo^(talk) 06:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Your help is needed with Now That's What I Call Music! discography. There are 24 countries listed in this discography? I added the Canada banner and Discographies templates the other day when I went through the Category:Canadian discographies. The article doesn't look right to me. However, it may be; I haven't seen many compilation type discographies. Can someone please help? Argolin (talk) 05:23, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, looking at the page, how about a break up into pages by countries? I invite others to discuss the change... --^{SteelersFanUK06} HereWeGo2010! 22:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if this has been touched upon before or is mentioned elsewhere on Wikipedia but I wanted to bring up something that's been bugging me for many months. I don't believe that Allmusic should be considered a wholly reliable source for discographical information—at least, it shouldn't be used as a definitive source. Just today, I reverted a large expansion of the discography section in the Howlin' Wolf article by a user who had cited Allmusic, Amazon.com and CD Universe as his sources for this expansion. The trouble is that his expansion included lots of erroneous release dates, incorrect record labels, and even fictitious album titles...all copied verbatim from Allmusic, Amazon etc.

Commercial sites like Amazon and CD Universe are obviously only concerned with listing currently available product and so an album—especially an older album—will be listed in its currently available edition and as such, will only be listed with the release date or record label of the modern reissue which is often totally different to the album's original release. Now, I'm not sure whether internet vendor sites like Amazon or CD Universe should even be considered as a reliable source for discographies (I couldn't see anything that expressly forbade the use of Amazon et al) but I'm guessing that they're not, in which case no problem. However, Allmusic—who are most certainly considered a reliable source—repeat many of the same discographical mistakes that the online vendors do, often confusing an album's release year and record label with its modern reissue and in some instances, even listing completely fictitious albums!

Now, I know that's a strong allegation to throw out regarding a trusted source like Allmusic, and I want to make it clear that I'm not questioning Allmusic's standing as a reliable source for factual information about songs, albums, Billboard chart positions, industry awards or album production credits, just their standing as a reliable source for discographical information. I'm repeatedly impressed with the factual accuracy found in the majority of Allmusic's content but their artist/band discographies are appallingly bad IMO.

Now, I'm sure that most Wikipedians here refer to multiple reliable sources in their quest to acquire accurate discographical information but while Allmusic is listed as a reliable source for discographies, it means that other, less discerning editors, can take Allmusic as gospel and pretty much copy & paste from Allmusic straight into Wikipedia articles. I can, of course, provide multiple examples of Allmusic's discographical inaccuracies if that is required, but I'm betting that I'm not the first person here to notice this about Allmusic.com. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Fictitious releases? I'm quite impressed by that. Do you have examples? --^{SteelersFanUK06} HereWeGo2010! 22:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I can provide examples but I would stress that fictitious album's are rare on Allmusic and usually (although not always) found in the compilation albums section. It's much more common to see incorrect release dates or record labels than fictitious albums on Allmusic.

Anyway, my first example is from The Byrds' compilations discography (see here). The very first entry is an album supposedly released in 1964 by Columbia Records with the title Early Byrds (catalogue number 18515). I can tell you categorically that there is no such album as Early Byrds and even if there were, it would not have been released in 1964, since the band didn't start recording for Columbia until 1965. This Allmusic entry is, I'm guessing, referring to one of the three compilations of Byrds rehearsal recordings dating from 1964 that have been released on the Preflyte, The Preflyte Sessions and In the Beginning albums. However, none of these three albums were released in 1964 or by Columbia Records, and there never was an album with the title Early Byrds. Staying with The Byrds, Allmusic also lists an album supposedly released in 1969 called Early Flight (Jet Set) on Together Records, which is obviously referring to the Preflyte album but the fact remains, there is no album named Early Flight (Jet Set). There are many other date/record label inaccuracies in Allmusic's Byrds discography but those are the fictitious albums.

Some other examples of albums that don't exist are as follows: a Bob Dylan compilation released in 1992 on Germany's PBA label titled Bob Dylan (see here), a 1993 Bob Dylan compilation called Greatest Songs (see here), a Brewer & Shipley album from 1978 called Not Far from Free (see here), a 1992 Crosby, Stills and Nash compilation album titled The Very Best of Crosby, Stills and Nash (see here), and a 1984 compilation album by Gram Parsons called Melodies (see here). This last album is an error that I assume arose from confusion with the 1979 Gene Parsons' album Melodies, which was re-issued by Sundown Records in 1984. Anyway, these are just a few examples of non-existent albums that I've come across in recent months, but I'm sure that there are many more.

Something I should say, however, is that you often see Allmusic's mistakes repeated on other websites such as winamp.com, mog.com and even billboard.com. I assume that this is because Allmusic licenses their content to these sites. So, if you Google any of the examples I've given, you might see other websites mentioning these albums too, but a click on any of these search results will reveal the same lack of info as Allmusic regarding these non-existent albums. Of course, if I've made a mistake and some of these albums do indeed exist, I apologise and I'll gladly stand corrected, but I don't believe that they do.

While we're on the subject, I'd also like to point out a few examples of incomplete or misleading discographies: H. P. Lovecrafts's second album H. P. Lovecraft II is missing from their discography (see here); Ride's main album discography lists Live Light, which is a bootleg (albeit one the band tolerated) and not an official album (see here); the main Bert Jansch album discography fails to list his second album It Don't Bother Me, instead listing it as a compilation (see here and here), and on Stephen Duffy's discography page there's an entirely fictitious 1995 album titled Kiss Me and his debut album, The Ups and Downs, is listed twice: once for its original 1985 release and again in 2008 for its expanded CD reissue (see here).

Something else I forgot to say in my initial post is that Allmusic's singles discographies are often even worse and more incomplete than their album discographies are! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I always thought their discographies were a mess. Maybe it's because I listen to more obscure stuff, I dunno. But look at Yellow Magic Orchestra's discography "main albums":

• Three albums are compilations
• Record labels are incorrect for all but one album - it's more like "whatever label we found the album on" rather than what they were originally released on, and even if that were the case their albums were never released by Pioneer, or Avex Trax per se (Commmons and Avex Trax are both unrelated labels of the Avex Group)
• One studio album is absent (Naughty Boys)
• X∞Multiplies is listed twice, once with the incorrect date and using the Japanese title (it is a rather confusing issue though, as there is a Japanese EP and several export market A&M-issued LP compilations that all go by the same English name, but I digress)
• The 2009 "album" "Encore" is a bootleg!

Also, all singles from the band's original run (1978-1983) are not listed, not even US releases. The Compilations section is a similar disaster. --Zilog Jones (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion here, comments welcome. Rodhullandemu 19:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Is there an easy, or at least possible, way to find out the release format for past album and single releases? Ie. CD, digital download etc. Looking at several discographies (including FLs), I don't see these details being referenced, but I don't have a clue how to find this information out. Are people just assuming that most releases nowadays will be on CD and digital download unless there is evidence that, for example, a release was download-only?--BelovedFreak 17:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

What does everyone thing about the Bubbling Under charts used in Hot 100 on discographies. The chart is an extension of the Billboard Hot 100, but I have seen conflicts in users saying that it should be used, and other saying it should not. Candyo32 (talk) 05:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It's only an extension of the Hot 100 if the track hasn't reached the Hot 100, if it has already charted in the Hot 100 then it isn't eligible for the Bubbling Under chart. I would only include it if the artist hasn't significantly charted on the Hot 100 or one of the more important genre charts. --JD554 (talk) 07:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

If the artist's discography has a list of singles with a column for the Hot 100 chart positions, then I see no problem with using the column to indicate it's bubbling under position if that is where it peaked, such as 107 for a bubbling under peak of #7. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 00:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

The would be incorrect, the Hot 100 only goes up to 100. --JD554 (talk) 09:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Please participate in the discussions to remove 50 Cent discography and Natasha Bedingfield discography. The links take you directly to the discussions. Thanks! Candyo32 19:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)