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I just noticed that some wikiprojects have advertisments, like this one from wikiproject video games

 Should we have one? --Simpsons fan 66 03:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Sounds like a great idea. Cirt (talk) 05:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • I second that (e)motion. Gran² 08:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Looks pretty cool! I'll take a stab at it and try to make one, I want to try out the ImageReady I recently got... xihix(talk) 23:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • What would we put for the text? --Simpsons fan 66 23:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you guys think about this? I made it to show what it could possibly look like. xihix(talk)

looks great...I love the text format too! Ctjf83 ^talk 05:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant! Gran² 07:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm sure it can be improved somehow. Anything? xihix(talk) 17:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a border around the image to give it a definite area, if you get what I mean. xihix(talk)

• Border could be a tad thinner. Cirt (talk) 19:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Is the border good now? xihix(talk) 20:36, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Excellent. Cirt (talk) 20:39, 25 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • Looks great, are we going to run with this one then? Gran² 23:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Looks great, good job. I don't want to sound like a pain, but how about some fancy effects, like the transition effect on the video games template, and the changing underlying text? --Simpsons fan 66 07:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I actually have no idea how to. I'll go back into ImageReady and play around to see if I can figure out how to, but I'm planning to write the Plot section of an episode right now. xihix(talk) 18:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did this as what it would look like. I am aware of the TV fuzzing up, but I have to leave at the moment and do not have time to look too much into it. I will do so when I arrive back. xihix(talk) 22:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great, apart from the TV thing. One last thing, should the last line of text read "Join Wikiproject The Simpsons" with italics? It might make it easier to understand. --Simpsons fan 66 02:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ehh... Not sure. I suppose I could do it. xihix(talk) 03:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Final version? xihix(talk) 03:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me, any other suggestions anyone? --Simpsons fan 66 03:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that the TV image is still fading slightly with the text, although I'm not sure if this is on my connection only, can anyone else confirm? --Simpsons fan 66 09:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it is for me too... I didn't seem to notice it before, though. I guess I can try to fix it, but I don't know what to do (did everything I could last time, and I thought it was fine). I'll look at it when I get home, since I'm not currently there right now. xihix(talk) 17:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added this image to BANNER. miranda 20:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering, would anyone else be up to weekly IRC chats? Each time, we could discuss articles, future callaborations, work that is necessary, or in a time like right now, the whole "Notable Episodes" discussion. We could accomplish a good amount working together at a certain time, and where we can actively discuss at the same time. Since this is a small WikiProject, we'd need a schedule of when we would do this, of course. Also, we could use the freenode sever that all of Wikimedia uses. See WP:IRC for information on how to get on the server and junk. There's also a free Java alternative if you don't have an IRC client of your own. What do you guys think? xihix(talk) 01:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Sounds like a great idea. Where is the free Java alternative? And also, can we have a separate IRC channel just for our project's discussion? Cirt (talk) 01:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]
  • It's on WP:IRC, under the Alternatives section. And yes, we could have our own channel. xihix(talk) 01:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's a good idea, but I've never been able to access that Java or IRC stuff. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Fabulous idea! It would be much easier to discuss stuff than to keep posting on here Ctjf83^talk 01:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Scorpion, what issues are you having? The Java is the easiest to access with, but if it doesn't work, try getting an IRC client. A pretty popular one is mIRC. There are also many guides out there on how to access them using it. xihix(talk) 01:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Can you download one for free anywhere or do you have to buy it? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • mIRC isn't free, though you can use it forever. For the first 30 days, it'll give you a small prompt on how many more days you can use it, but even after those 30 days, the prompt makes the seemingly unclickable "Continue" go away after a few seconds. There are also free use IRC clients, such as the ones that are on Category:Free IRC clients. Of those, I'd suggest XChat. xihix(talk) 02:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• I got that Xihix, now what are the "mechanics" of making it work for a wiki chat room for the project? Ctjf83^talk 02:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd have to make a channel for us, which I'll make if the other users of this WikiProject want to do this. To access the channel, you'd have to connect to the server (type "/server freenode" without the quotations), and then type "/join #channelname", without the quotations. xihix(talk) 03:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • sounds like a good idea, when should we do it, everyone? Ctjf83^talk 03:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I haven't gone and looked into the IRC client stuff yet, but it looks like 4 of us are online right now. Not sure what there is to discuss though. Cirt (talk) 03:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]
        • What would you guys like the channel to be named? #simpsons? Also, I'll make a comprehensive guide on the IRC stuff, on a new page and add it to the WikiProject's infobox. Right now, I'd like to ask when everyone would like the weekly meet up should be, and the time it should start. It would probably be best if it was a week end. Also, in the guide, I'd mention that if there is a specific time you want a meet up, you could come to this talk page and make a time when you want the meet up, or if you want to talk to a person or two specifically, you could contact them on their user talk page and see if they can come at a certain time. xihix(talk) 03:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • the name sounds great, as for a time, if on the weekend, i'd rather it be a sunday night then, incase i go out to the clubs saturday, a lot of us are on now, so perhaps 48 minutes ago, was i think 3 am, for the UTC time, so that would sound like a good time Ctjf83^talk 03:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Alright then, Sunday sounds good. If others can give an input on what time, we could start then, and end whenever we feel that we need to end in the IRC rooms. xihix(talk) 03:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Not before 3:00 am UTC time, cause from 1-3 is Fox Sunday, and you know we can't miss the new Simpsons episodes, and I can't miss the other new episodes either! Ctjf83^talk 03:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, I completely forgot the new episodes at that time. Hmm... Well, when do the others think the meet up should be? xihix(talk) 04:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Darn, it seems that #simpsons is already registered to someone else. Well, I think I'm going to make it #wpsimpsons instead. xihix(talk) 04:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • How bout wpdoh ? Cirt (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, I sort of made it #wpsimpsons to make it more clear that it's us to others, but oh well. If anyone cares to come in, I'm in there right now. xihix(talk) 00:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They discuss his age in several season 7 episodes, I just need one so I can use it as a source for Homer Simpson, which was GA reviewed. It will be delisted in 7 days if the review conditions aren't met. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have Season 7, let me check. xihix(talk) 23:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to listen to Homerpalooza, as they may talk about his age, since Homer feels old I suppose in the episode when he discovers his likes in music aren't like what the new generation is, and the whole generation X talk, and that junk. I'll be listening through it. xihix(talk) 23:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I wouldn't read much into it; I think there's a band of reasonable ages for Homer that have been suggested through the series. Will ^(talk) 23:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I finished act one, and so far, the only talk of Homer's age has been during the car scene around 1:40-2:00 or so when they say that everyone in the room is around Homer's age or older. xihix(talk) 23:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are several where they say that Homer was originally 36 but they aged him to 38 because they felt he was too young. I can't remember which it is, so I guess I'll listen to several (then I might get some other good info). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, nothing in Homerpalooza. I'll listen to some other episodes. xihix(talk) 23:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mother Simpson will probably have mention of his age, for obvious reasons. xihix(talk) 23:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, it wasn't there either. xihix(talk) 00:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been keeping a close eye on it, and I'll provide updates here on some of the more interesting things so that people don't have to sift through the entire discussion.

So far there hasn't been a lot of mention of The Simpsons and PixelFace has only mentioned it once. One of the more interesting proposals so far has been this one in which PixelFace suggests that every single episode page on Wikipedia be put up for afd. I also suggest reading some of the comments in this section as Masem brings up some good points. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to call some attention to the early seasons' articles. I just took a look at a couple of random season 2 articles and they're not in great shape. They could all use some basic cleanup like removing goof sections, removing whitespace, and removing blatant nonsense that survives and builds up because no one pays attention to these. These early seasons are all the more important now that the new episodes suck so much :) Anyway just thought I'd let you know. Cheery-o. Equazcion •✗/C • 13:03, 23 Jan 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks, we're next planning to work on characters, and season 4 episodes. Cirt (talk) 13:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the early seasons are actually not worse than the later seasons. The only thing we can do is to work on them one at the time. It takes time, but we are showing slow but steady progress. --Maitch (talk) 13:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should delete any "ages" section in any article, or any mention of ages, as they always contradict each other. any thoughts? Ctjf83^talk 04:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Barring finding any good secondary WP:RS/WP:V sources for this info on a case-by-case basis, Support. Cirt (talk) 05:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone, I got a response from Bill Oakley on NoHomers.net, when I asked him for a picture! He also said some other things. Please come into IRC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, and I'll talk to you in there more about this. xihix(talk) 23:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does his response appear in a thread at NoHomers? I haven't gotten onboard the whole IRC thing... Zagalejo^^^ 03:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't do IRC either. Would you be willing to summarize the conversation there once you're done? Natalie (talk) 03:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I PM'd him on NoHomers.net, and he told me that he would give photos and release them to a license. He also asked to give some official link and stuff, and gave me his email to reply to him. I emailed him and said some stuff, and he said that he's busy this week, but will dig up photos from the season 3-8 era and do what it says to do in this link that I sent him. He also said that he goes on Wikipedia a good bit and knows some stuff, and will help us if we need him. xihix(talk) 03:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Zagalejo^^^ 03:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quite so, yes. I don't want to bother him too much, which is why EVERY WikiProject member that wants to have a say in what I email him regarding him helping us in a way that he could needs to get into IRC at a certain time tomorrow, or if worse comes to worse, day after tomorrow. I come home at 4:00 PM (EST or -5 GMT time), so any time after that will have to do. Please, I need everyone to come. Including you guys, Gran2, Zag, and anyone else who I haven't seen in IRC yet. xihix(talk) 03:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you guys can make a time here so we can all be in at one time. As I mentioned, it has to be anytime after 4:00 PM EST time. xihix(talk) 03:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One issue is that if he is willing to give us insider information, we wouldn't be able to use it because it wouldn't be verifiable. I was just talking with some users on IRC, and some suggestions were:

1. Get him to start his own website or blog (Kind of an awkward thing to ask because he's already going out of his way to help)
2. Get him to post it on NHC like he did with the Ask Bill & Josh thing (Not as bad as the above, but not as reliable)
3. (This one is inventive) ask him to record stuff into a file and then upload it on Wikimedia commons. We would then be able to reference the recording. It sounds complicated, but it's a lot easier than getting him to start his own site.
4. Contact David Skankbone, a commons user who has interviewed several people for WikiNews. It's another longshot, but it might be worth at least contacting him.

So not a lot of options, and each one would be asking a lot from him. I think we should mention that anything he tells us would not be useable, (lets not give any suggestions yet because we don't want to scare him away) and see if he has any ideas. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, this is amazing! I'll be on IRC tonight (in about 7 hours time). I'll think up some questions during the day. Gran² 07:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The one and only Bill Oakley has agreed to do an IRC chat with us so that we can ask questions about things that we can use in articles. The transcript of this chat will hopefully be posted at NHC, which I think will be a good enough sorce. Failing that, we'll try The Simpsons Archive. Because not everyone will be able to make the chat (which hasn't been scheduled yet) Xihix and I have made a page where any member can post questions that can be asked. Remember, no fan questions, and due to a lack of time, try to limit it to ones that will help improve an article. That page is here. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have an issue with many articles about specific Simpsons episodes. Is this the right place to talk about it? My issue is that many articles contain unreferenced "Cultural references" sections. There are so many articles that it would take forever to tag them with {citation needed} or even delete the unreferenced information. What's the best way to go about fixing this? • Supāsaru 16:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good question, cause we have to deal with that all the time, IPs and new users adding random unsourced cultural references to articles. Lately after the new episode airs on Sunday, it has been semi-protected for a week, to try and cut back on that. If it is an older episode, specifically one from season 18 or earlier, that hasn't aired on a Sunday in a while, you can either delete the unsourced or use the {{fact}} or {{unreferencedsection}} if a lot or all are unsourced. I wouldn't recommend you delete all of them, if they are all unsourced, just use the second tag from above New episodes that aren't protected are probably going to have a lot of IPs readding stuff you delete, cause they think it needs to go there. Also, there seems to be less random ones when they are in paragraph form, as opposed to list form. Aside from all that, there unfortunately isn't much we can do. Ctjf83^talk 20:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FICT has been revised

WP:FICT, the notability guideline for elements within a work of fiction (characters, places, elements, etc) has a new proposal/revision that is now live [1] Everyone is encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page. Ned Scott 22:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Notability (serial works)

There is a proposal to split WP:EPISODE into a more general notability guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (serial works), and make the rest of WP:EPISODE just a MOS guideline. Please join in at WT:EPISODE#Proposed split of EPISODE and/or Wikipedia talk:Notability (serial works). -- Ned Scott 22:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• How would we be effected? xihix(talk) 22:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Probably no differently than now. I just figured people here might want to check out the discussions. -- Ned Scott 22:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some guy just created this. I need to go, so could someone speedy delete it or something? Thanks. Rhino131 (talk) 02:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

•  Done, I tagged it as patent nonsense. Cirt (talk) 03:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Out of curiousity, was it created by TheFreshPrinceOfBel-Air0 (talk · contribs)? He created a fake Simpsons video game earlier today. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes. Cirt (talk) 04:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Another one to watch out for is Agent007ravi (talk · contribs), who has been adding fake plots to future episode pages. Hmm, British, 10 years old, vandalizes Simpsons pages, makes the occasional legitimate edit, seems kind of familiar, although I think the HMV's name was Tim and he never touched James Bond pages. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I reported TheFreshPrinceOfBel-Air0 (talk · contribs) to WP:AIV. Cirt (talk) 04:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should add TheFreshPrinceOfBel-Air01 (talk · contribs) to that while you're at it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Self-removed TheFreshPrinceOfBel-Air0 (talk · contribs) from WP:AIV, per comment from an Admin that he hadn't edited in 5 hours, I'll take a look at this latest incarnation. Cirt (talk) 04:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was wondering, what was said on the now deleted page? The Nelson's Fist one. xihix(talk) 04:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for deleting it (And incredibly fast too!). As for Xihix's comment, It pretty much said it was the title of an episode of the 20th season and Nelson tries to kill Bart (I can't remember it all). In the end, Bart went to jail for 10 years. The guy who created it also put a sentence on Nelson's page talking about it. Rhino131 (talk) 20:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update

I put both of those 2 FreshPrince accounts back up on WP:AIV, obvious vandalism only sockpuppets. Cirt (talk) 04:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TheFreshPrinceOfBel-Air01 (talk · contribs) blocked indef, TheFreshPrinceOfBel-Air0 (talk · contribs) blocked three days. Cirt (talk) 05:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page is an absolute mess and desperately needs references. For example, it says the show has only been dubbed in 14 languages and has no source for that at all. Anyone interested in cleaning the page up? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not for me Ctjf83^talk 19:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Whoo, Sorry! Me no speaky Chini!" - Mr. Burns, A Hunka Hunka Burns in Love. --Simpsons fan 66 01:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been working through a list of TV episodes that have made it to WP:GA, many which are Simpsons episodes, and yet to have any serious problems with these. However, I will offer a few comments to consider:

• A lot of the images on the Simpsons episode pages use screenshots at 640x480 or larger. It should be noted that by WP:NFCC, low resolution images are preferred whenever possible. I've not failed any article for this, but I have tagged these with {{non-free reduce}}. You may want to check these on newer articles.
• Something to ponder: is there any way to use collapsible fields for the infobox on the season episodes lists? Those infoboxes do get a bit long in the tooth, and if you could collapse that section, it would be nice (but knowing tables, you have to collapse it all or not.. but maybe you could break the box into a few separate tables? Maybe?)

But keep up the good work in this area. --MASEM 05:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried before by making some of the sections collapsible, but I'm not good enough at it. Perhaps we could get an expert to come in and work on it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This looks to be close to FA status so I've started a PR for it. Just letting you know. Buc (talk) 18:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think it has a ways to go. It isn't structured very well and it could use more production info. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to agree with Scorpion. Whole the Production part is meaty in information, I don't really see a basis in the prose. It's hard to explain, but taking a look at the other FA episodes will show you what I mean. xihix(talk) 01:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]