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User:Maliner

• Maliner (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

I don't know if this is sufficient grounds for requesting the Page mover right, as I only need it for one specific purpose, but here goes: I end up draftifying new articles (mostly un[der]referenced ones) on a regular basis, and always feel a bit bad because some overworked admin then has to come mop up after me with an R2 speedy. So if I had suppressredirect, that would cut down on the mopping-up required, right? Fully understand if this isn't enough of a reason, though. Cheers. Maliner (talk) 09:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Automated comment This user was granted temporary page mover rights by HJ Mitchell (expires 20:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)). — MusikBot ^talk 10:00, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done by HJ Mitchell. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Vanderwaalforces

• Vanderwaalforces (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

I am requesting again. I was granted temporary pagemover and it's expiring in few hours. I would love to request that it be extended indefinitely. Thank you so much. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Automated comment This user was granted temporary page mover rights by HJ Mitchell (expires 00:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)) and has had an account for 84 days. — MusikBot ^talk 14:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:MtBotany

• MtBotany (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

I edit almost exclusively in the area of plants, species and genus. Plants are frequently in need of technical moves because of the shifting nature of what is considered the correct species or genus name. When I am working on this I always consult with others interested in plants, E.g. the recent Talk:Mahonia. I only have 2,240 edits on the English language Wikipedia, but over 17% of them are large edits of more that 1,000 bytes reducing what otherwise would be a much larger number. Additionally 60% of my edits are to the main space and I have created 126 pages with only three deleted due to making a technical goof that needed to be erased. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 22:25, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Automated comment This user has 2242 total edits. — MusikBot ^talk 22:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I keep close tabs on WT:WikiProject Tree of Life, and what I see is quite frequent discussion and research into what particular titles are that taxa should be moved to, including conflicts between organizations asserting different names, whether recently proposed changes in journals have been taken up more broadly yet, etc. I'm skeptical that a PM permissions rationale that seems to boil down to "I'm the expert and I know I'm right so I should get to move pages I care about without WP:RM process" is a valid one. There is no hurry with these matters at all, and RM discussions will either close without a hitch when the new taxonomic name proves to be well accepted, or will require considerable debate when the sourcing doesn't agree or the change seems poorly supported (yet) in sources, and neither of those are undesirable results (from Wikipedia's perspective).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not sure what I wrote gave the impression that I think I'm an expert or that I'm in a hurry. I just hate to think I'm being a bother to a crew that has enough other things to do all ready. Per the discussion at Talk:Mahonia I'm going to be going over 35 more pages in the next month or so getting them ready to be moved. If I don't have the permission then I'll just go through channels and request that they be moved as I get each one done. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 07:34, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  That would surely be best. What I meant by "expert" and "hurry" are that an individual making unilateral moves in a topic this complex would require expertise (and even then other experts would be apt to sometimes disagee because the reliable source material in the pertinent field is not always in agreement), and doing unilateral moves is an instant expedience instead of doing the week-long RM process. The root issue here is that these really aren't "technical" moves as we definite them (such as moving an obvious typo from "Penja peepper" to Penja pepper, or a MOS:TITLES fix from "Lord of the Rings" to The Lord of the Rings, or a MOS:LIFE fix from "Piper Excelsum Subsp. Psittacorum" to Piper excelsum subsp. psittacorum). "[T]he shifting nature of what is considered the correct species or genus name" is much of why taxonomic updates are not technical but normal renames. The PM permission is mostly for actually technical needs, like moving things without leaving a redirect in very particular circumstances including round-robin moves. It's not for making "I'm sure I know what the right facts now are" decisions without community input.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• The relevant question here is: when should things be moved to "newly accepted" titles, according to Wikipedia standards? Dekimasuよ! 14:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, it's an interesting question (and I think everyone at WT:TOL would have some views on that, particularly as to what constitutes "accepted"), but I'm not sure it's a WP:RFP/PM question. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]