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. Philadelphia now has 17 buildings over 150 meters. Can someone please update?

Boston now has 23 buildings over 150 meters. Can someone update?

. Panama City # of skyscrapers is wrong. It has around 109 buildings over 150 meters. Source: skyscrapercity . com/threads/proyectos-y-avances-miscel%C3%81neos.461168/post-170900851. Please, cross-reference this list with the individual building specifications to double check if you want. The old source (skyscrapercenter.com) is missing many buildings.

dear editor,

while checking the no of skyscrapers in Mumbai Wikipedia page I realized that there are 231 built skyscrapers in Mumbai, but despite that in the list of cities with most no of skyscrapers it shows that Mumbai only has 88 skyscrapers. Please check this and correct it if there is a problem.

thank you 2405:201:6805:387F:D9F1:FBE2:84E:D071 (talk) 18:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: This discrepancy is due to the different definitions of what constitutes a skyscraper. If you have sourcing on this article being inaccurate within its definition, feel free to reply with that. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please check this article by wikipedia with proper sources that says mumbai has over 200 150+ m buildings - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Mumbai 2606:8700:A:9:9C4:C1BD:773B:A006 (talk) 15:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mumbai has 188 skyscrapers above 150 meters. but considering 150 meters it has 235 Mohan0123 (talk) 11:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please check this wikipedia article which says Mumbai has 236 skyscrapers - List of tallest buildings in Mumbai - Wikipedia

"Mumbai, the commercial and financial capital of India, has the highest number of skyscrapers and high-rise buildings in India. More than 200 skyscrapers and 4,000 high-rise buildings have already been constructed in the city of Mumbai. (A skyscraper is defined as a continuously habitable high-rise building that has over 40 floors and is taller than approximately 150 metres (492 ft) according to international standards." 69.80.189.87 (talk) 17:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of tallest buildings in Mumbai - Wikipedia 69.80.189.87 (talk) 17:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

from the same mumbai article - (A skyscraper is defined as a continuously habitable high-rise building that has over 40 floors and is taller than approximately 150 metres (492 ft) according to international standards.) - its the same standard 69.80.189.87 (talk) 17:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting to update Mumbai skyscraper count. Article currently shows only 86 skyscrapers, but according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Mumbai, there are 234. 70.178.105.160 (talk) 02:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, aforementioned Wikipedia article shows that there are 247 skyscrapers taller than 150 meters that are currently under construction, not 38. 70.178.105.160 (talk) 02:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@70.178.105.160 The definition is both more than 150m (150m alone wouldn't count) and more than 40 floors (40 floors alone wouldn't count) By that criteria, and subtracting the entries which were unreferenced, I see 169 buildings.  Spintendo  09:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Spintendo, I get 184: 234 total listed, less 45 150 m, less 5 > 150 m but < 40 floors. (Edit: I didn't see your revised tally based on subtracting non-cited buildings until after I posted. Xan747 (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC))[reply]

But let's talk about this definition. This article says in the lede, A skyscraper is defined as a continuously habitable high-rise building that has over 40 floors[1] and is taller than approximately 150 m (492 ft).[2] Ref 1 is Britannica, which says The term skyscraper originally applied to buildings of 10 to 20 stories, but by the late 20th century the term was used to describe high-rise buildings of unusual height, generally greater than 40 or 50 stories. Nothing about 150 m. Cite [2] is a book The Visual Dictionary of Architecture p. 233, but wouldn't you know, p. 232 and 234 are in the preview but not 233. I suspect it only gives a 150 m criterion, in which case we have a synth problem.

The Wikipedia article, Skyscraper, says in the lede, A skyscraper is a tall, continuously habitable building having multiple floors. Modern sources currently define skyscrapers as being at least 100 meters (330 ft)1 or 150 meters (490 ft)2 in height, though there is no universally accepted definition, other than being very tall high-rise buildings. Article text is true to both cites, and neither of them contain a minimum floors criterion.

Under the Definitions section of the same article we find, Different organizations from the United States and Europe define skyscrapers as buildings at least 150 meters in height or taller 11612

• Ref 11 says, Once built it will be the seventh tallest building on the estate and their eleventh proper skyscraper, that is by definition buildings above 150 metres.
• Ref 6 says, As a general rule, a building must be at least 150 metres high to qualify as a skyscraper.
• Ref 12 (also used in the lede) says, A skyscraper is defined on Emporis as a multi-story building whose architectural height is at least 100 meters. This definition falls midway between many common definitions worldwide, and is intended as a metric compromise which can be applied across the board worldwide.

In sum, none of the citations I've found on Wikipedia support a 40 floor criterion, so I specifically searched for "skyscraper 150 meters 40 floors" and here's what I got:

• Top 12 Tallest Buildings in India Sep 14, 2022 A skyscraper is a building of a greater height of 150 meters (492 feet) plus, and has at least 40 floors. Can you guess which Indian city has the maximum number of skyscrapers? If you thought Mumbai, then you are bang on! Mumbai has about 74 skyscrapers, and these include some of the tallest buildings in India.
• 10 Tallest Skyscrapers In The United States You Definitely Must See (undated, blog) Today, a skyscraper generally describes a building that is 40 stories tall or more and/or measures 150 meters, or 492 feet in height.
• 20 Cities with the Most Skyscrapers in the World September 24, 2020 According to its modern definition, a skyscraper should be at least 150 meters (492 ft) tall, and constantly habitable with a minimum of 40 floors.
• Get ready for more and taller skyscrapers August 20, 2018 For this research, Auerbach and Wan consider buildings more than 150 meters “tall.” There are 3,251 such skyscrapers in 258 cities around the world. The researchers first characterize historical patterns the height of skyscrapers and the numbers built. It turns out the number of skyscrapers built each year has followed a remarkably stable pattern. “The number of skyscrapers exceeding 150 meters and 40 floors has risen eight percent each year since 1950,” say Auerbach and Wan.
• Height of the world's tallest skyscrapers as of 2023 (Statista) Mar 27, 2023 The requirements that a building needs to meet in order to be considered a skyscraper have changed across time, and they might also slightly differ from place to place. However, a skyscraper is generally defined as a building that is comprised of over 40 floors and is over 150 meters taller.

I think that's enough spam for now. I think I will update the main Skyscrapers article with a much shorter summary of my findings. Then it might be worth trying to set an official Wikipedia definition of skyscraper for consistency across articles. Where might I go to attempt such a thing? Xan747 (talk) 15:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Xan747 I think trying to find consensus in Wikipedia on a subject where none exists in stone in the real world is a losing battle. But if you want to take that on, the natural place to start would be at WP:SKY.  Spintendo  16:11, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, but I couldn't be me and not even try. Thanks for the tip. Xan747 (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Xan747 I've seen dozens of skyscraper talk pages over the years which have featured that very same question as a WP:PERENNIAL favorite to discuss, with every time no consensus ever being met. I just think it's a non-starter. Regards,  Spintendo  21:50, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate that perspective, but you're too late to save me. I did check the talk archives at wp:sky before posting and apologized if I was asking a perennial question so hopefully I don't get too singed. Xan747 (talk) 22:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]