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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 September 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rt2510 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Rt2510 (talk) 23:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CrashmasterSOAD: Could you please use the talk page to "reply" to another editor? That is what it is for, and making pointless edits to the article to do so is disruptive (see also WP:POINT). If the other editors involved wish to reply to your "reply" edit, they should also do so here. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  13:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely correct. I often forget about this feature or rather about how to use it properly (as I don't edit stuff of Wikipedia nearly as often as I used to be). I was actually looking for ways to message that given user directly (as I know talk pages exist for users), but then opted to "reply" via an edit to be more specific about that given page which I understand wasn't an ideal solution. Consider this my apology. CrashmasterSOAD (talk) 17:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For a long time, if you looked up "McLaren," you almost certainly meant the F1 team. Thus it made sense for the McLaren article to focus specifically on the F1 team, not the McLaren Group or McLaren Automotive. Today, not only is McLaren Automotive much more notable than it once was, but McLaren Racing itself does much more than just F1. There's now an IndyCar team, an Formula E team, and an Extreme E team. This article has grown very large and very complex as it tries to cover all those topics in depth. I would propose using this article to cover only McLaren Racing as a company, then breaking out separate articles for McLaren F1 Team, McLaren Formula E Team, and McLaren Extreme E. Or perhaps this article could just be the F1 team, as that remains the most notable part, and we create a separate article for McLaren Racing. Any thoughts? Lazer-kitty (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lazer-kitty: I think the article is getting unwieldy (the total article size is currently 217kb), but I'm not sure about the best way to split it. One option is as you have described above. Another option would be to split out just the "Formula One" bits (the "Racing history: Formula One", "Sponsorship, naming, and livery" and "Formula One results" sections) into a separate article (McLaren in Formula One?), which would reduce the size of this article by about 50%(?). Another option would be to "go the whole hog" and move this article to McLaren Racing (with optional splitting as described above), allowing McLaren to become a disambiguation page. One factor to consider is the existing links. Most F1-related instances of "McLaren" link to McLaren, although there are about 500 which link to McLaren (racing), following a page move back in 2009. And there are 57 existing links to McLaren Racing. I'm not saying that existing links should stop us adopting the most sensible arrangement; it's just a factor to consider. DH85868993 (talk) 02:52, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@DH85868993: Well we both seem to be somewhat indecisive folks regarding how to split this article, so I'll just write down an idea and see how it sounds:

• Keep this page for the F1 team specifically, both because it's the most notable "McLaren," and because of your point about all the existing links. I agree that it's not something that should dictate what we do, but I still think we should consider it, especially since it's also another example of how most people think McLaren = McLaren F1 Team.
• Create a separate article for McLaren Racing as a company, and use that for all the corporate details and ownership stuff.
• Create a separate article for the Formula E team
• Create a separate article for the Extreme E team
• And obviously we already have an article for the IndyCar team

Lazer-kitty (talk) 14:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lazer-kitty: That sounds good to me. I've advertised this discussion at WP:F1, in the hopes of attracting input from others. DH85868993 (talk) 22:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

>"...we already have an article for the IndyCar team".

Not that simple. The article currently named Arrow McLaren has its scope purely on the entity formerly known as Schmidt Peterson Motorsports. It does not have any coverage of McLaren's AOWR exploits prior to 2020 and at present should not be considered a child article to this one.

Also, where do the Can-Am history and current sports car programs fit in? McLaren is a large organization; I'm not sure a split is needed here. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  01:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

McLaren has almost always had more than one racing team. They built cars for lower Formula and became famous originally for their monster Can-Am sportscars. Bruce McLaren was always keen to have a larger presence in America as well as his home country and nearest neighbour for stuff like the Tasman series. It was only during Teddy Mayer's tenure as McLaren boss that they streamlined. It's important to describe, where appropriate, that Formula One teams have pursued many strands of motorsport. Brabham was a major constructor of racing cars. Ferrari (and Alfa Romeo and Sauber and Audi and Ligier) have long history with sports car racing. Toyota F1 was created from the Toyota Team Europe World Rally team. Zakspeed came from Touring Cars. Scuderia Italia went to GT racing when they could no longer race in F1. Most F1 teams start in lower Formula. Red Bull's history began as Paul Stewart's Formula 3000 team.

Maybe the exhaustive stats and tables should be broken into seperate articles rather than telling the story of racing teams in chunks of seperate articles. You can't accurately tell the story of motor racing teams by concentrating on only one of their categories. --Falcadore (talk) 07:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One of the reasons the article is so unwieldy is the ever-increasing amount of detail. Compare the detail for the 2023 season, which is barely half-way through, with the earlier years. Halmyre (talk) 11:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RECENTISM and WP:TOOMUCH are hallmarks of the whole wikiproject, to be honest. We're not very centralized and attract a lot of single-interest editors who don't realize that we're trying to write to a broader audience and end up with a lot of WP:CRUFTy detail. I've long felt that some sort of merging of the various subprojects that cover F1, NASCAR, and other forms of auto racing should be done. I agree that we should be splitting the results tables out, ala Career results of Juan Pablo Montoya, Career results of Jimmie Johnson, etc., before anything else and would not oppose this split at all. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  15:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]