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On this list dablinks are shown to Nuclear energy in Iran. They are generated by a navbox at the bottom of each article headed "Nuclear energy in Asia". When trying to edit this you are taken to Template:Asia topic and I can't see any way to change the entry for "Iran" to stop the dab link and perhaps point to Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant as Nuclear program of Iran seems to be about nuclear weapons rather than power generation.— Rod ^talk 10:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've sent a message to those in charge of the template, due to its protection status, and the response was;

This is a general template, it doesn't link to specific pages for each entry. If disambiguation pages are the best item to land on, they are fine as links here. CMD (talk) 09:19, 23 November 2022 ColRad85 (talk) 06:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I've replied to the message to see if the link on the template can be redirected to Nuclear program of Iran. ColRad85 (talk) 06:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ColRad85: See Template:Asia topic/doc#Altering the link used for a specific entity. However, one might also consider whether Nuclear energy in Iran has a primary topic. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:50, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Template:Districts of Turkey is used on several articles (listed here). It includes a link to the dab page Derecik - presumably in the "Districts" section which transposes another template from somewhere & I can't work out where. Help appreciated.— Rod ^talk 12:58, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed, thanks to Eviolite. Certes (talk) 13:58, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, I've sent a request to those responsible for the Europe templates to address the propaganda in Germany, Italy and United Kingdom dablinks. It's a protected template, so hopefully someone can make the corrections required :-) . ColRad85 (talk) 07:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The template has been updated! ColRad85 (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At the bottom of Football in the United Kingdom (and presumably others) there is a template where the title is a red link to Football in the World. Viewing or trying to edit takes you to Template:World topic with no indication of how to get to the football specific one. It includes links to dab pages Football in Canada & Football in the United States. As the rest of the links are to Association football presumably these should link to Soccer in Canada & Soccer in the United States. Any ideas how to fix these?— Rod ^talk 16:41, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally, Module:World topic would accept extra optional parameters such as |link_Canada=Soccer in Canada to override the article titles. (Template:World topic would not need changes; it would pass these through seamlessly.) Certes (talk) 17:24, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the module in its sandbox, and will promote it in a week if there are no objections. I've also created {{Football in the World}} to save having to repeat the Canada and U.S. exceptions explicitly everywhere this template is used. Certes (talk) 21:26, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, Football in the United Kingdom is the only article to use the template. So a question is: do we need the template? The Banner talk 15:43, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@The Banner: Sorry for not noticing your comment earlier. {{Football in the World}} is a new template that can be rolled out where needed. However, you're right that {{World topic|Football in}} doesn't seem to be used elsewhere. Like Rodw, I just presumed this would be common to most countries, and I should have checked before bothering to fix it. Perhaps it'll get adopted now it actually works. Certes (talk) 10:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the disambiguation pages are dodgy anyway. There is more football than soccer/association football alone. Like Rugby football, Gaelic football, Australian rules football and American football (and I guess I miss a few). But for now, I will not lie in front of the door. The Banner talk 11:10, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, on reflection, "Football in the World" is a poor title, because it assumes football to mean association football. I took the template title from the heading in the existing navbox (and this conversation). "In the World" may also be superfluous: I believe a golf stroke was taken on the Moon, but there's no evidence of extraterrestrial footballing of any code. I won't object if someone moves it to "Association football by country" or similar. Certes (talk) 13:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Change released to Module:World topic. The new facility to override links should be useful elsewhere too. Certes (talk) 10:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone who is good with appropriate tools (possibly petscan or similar) put togtehr a list of all the articles listed at Disambiguation pages with links (currently 6800+) which contain the word "station" in their title? My impression is that there are more of these articles appearing on the Daily Disambig and that they are staying longer. I assume this may be because the links are hidden within "Infobox station", "Adjacent stations" etc making them more difficult to fix (and not show up in DisamAssist). I am aware that some links may be in articles about railway lines or transport systems and therefore may not be included but, once the list is created, we could post a message at Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains (and one or two key individuals who frequently use these templates) asking them to help resolve them.— Rod ^talk 14:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pingshan is already fixed. Most of the others should probably be fixed with an update to a relevant module or template, even if that module or template doesn't link to the station. I've fixed Kushiro thus, though "WhatLinksHere" may take a while to update, and will take a look at the others. Certes (talk) 15:51, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done as far as Chaoyang, but they don't make life easy for us – the Boca Raton links were buried in a module and three nested templates. Certes (talk) 16:47, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - that is exactly the sort of thing I was thnking of, but I will hold off sharing with WP trains if you are working your wonders on modules & templates.— Rod ^talk 17:00, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How easy/difficult would it be to add articles with "station" in the title which appear in Articles With Multiple Dablinks as a load more have just appeared there?— Rod ^talk 18:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

&/or those with "metro" in the title?— Rod ^talk 18:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most so-called AMD have only one dablink. The stations with more than one are mostly articles which transclude {{Shenzhen Metro stations}}, so fixing its errors (such as the tastefully named Longdong station) should fix most problems. I can redo my DPL extract for "metro" - any other strings to look for? Certes (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - it might be worth adding "Line X" where X = a number if possible.— Rod ^talk 18:58, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Metro" matches only Metro itself (which an IP just expanded into a huge list of the world's metro systems) and one station (Eco Park) already on the list. No matches for Line [number]. I've added one-link stations S–Z that I missed off last time. Certes (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They can't all be coming from one transcluded template as there are different numbers of dab links on different articles.— Rod ^talk 19:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The template shows only the relevant line, so each transclusion gets a different number of bad links. I think I've fixed it now. Certes (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all help - I get very confused in these modules and complex templates.— Rod ^talk 19:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. There's some help in /Guide but they're all different. The last one I fixed was {{stn|Name|Disambiguator}}, which should be {{stn|Name||Disambiguator}}, unlike {{STN|Name|Disambiguator}} which works because stn and STN require their parameters in a different order. Only an experienced station disambiguation specialist is likely to get anything vaguely complicated right first time. Certes (talk) 21:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for that one. I wrote {{stn}} first, then when I realized that there wasn't going to be any standardization between Xxx station and Xxx Station naming (thank you certain nationality editors) I created {{STN}} as a shortcut. Unfortunately, by that time the first template was used too widely to conveniently change the parameter order. :( Useddenim (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Useddenim I think it might actually be safe to change that; see Template talk:Station. Mackensen (talk) 17:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done as far as Eco Park, where I'll leave it for tonight. There are some teasers in there, such as one where fixing the linked template had no effect until I realised that the article was actually using an old copy of that template in user space. Certes (talk) 23:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Thank goodness for all those wonderful templates that let us enjoy hours analysing and recoding a labyrinth of Lua software rather than having to change [[Foo station|Foo]] to [[Foo station (Bar)|Foo]]! Certes (talk) 11:22, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your work on this. If you were to run it again it would show how many station related issues had been created in the last 3 days, which would give an indication of how big a problem these create.— Rod ^talk 11:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's a disappointingly long list of new stations: Changlong station, Civic Center Station, Fushimi Station, Guomao station, Kowloon station, Notodden Station, Shuanglong station, Xiasha station, Yaga Station. There are also some lines without numbers: East West Line, Jōhoku Line, Kobe Line, Livoberezhna line, Metrorail, Soo Line, Takarazuka Line, Yamada Line. Certes (talk) 12:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would love it when the station-Cabal can agree on a standard way to disambiguate stations and make those templates easier to fix. The Banner talk 11:47, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This presupposes a uniformity across nationalities that frankly doesn't exist. Every attempt to adopt a uniform naming convention that crosses national boundaries has foundered. Mackensen (talk) 13:22, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

snif... The Banner talk 13:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question: is there a daily report that members of WikiProject Trains can look at? I'm happy to help with these issues, and I can probably find and fix them pretty fast. Mackensen (talk) 14:30, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some years ago there was a report of links to dab pages where the article was tagged with a specific wikiproject (eg WP:TRAINS or WP:STATIONS) but this was among Dispenser's tools which stopped working.— Rod ^talk 14:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it stopped working when the MediaWiki changed the database design about 2021. The last version to work was here. There are regular requests to replace these useful tools but, as usual, no resource available. Certes (talk) 14:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I used to pick up a lot of these, if in Great Britain, but I unwatched several thousand GB station articles two years or so back after a nasty TfD. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm conversant with python, and with SQL databases (though not MediaWiki's specifically, not really), but I don't know that I'd want to commit to setting up and hosting a reporting environment. That's far too close to my actual job, and this is supposed to be a hobby. Can this be approximated with WP:PETSCAN? Mackensen (talk) 02:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I put together a rough and not especially optimized query at WP:QUARRY: [1]. This looks for articles whose talk pages include {{WikiProject Trains}} that link to disambiguation pages. Mackensen (talk) 03:40, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That query filters the source page by project, e.g. it includes the link from rail article Kolkata Metro rolling stock to non-rail dab DTG, which (I think) is what Dispenser's topic_points did. I listed rail-related targets (even if linked from non-rail articles). Both queries seem useful. I don't think PetScan could do either job easily, without creating a huge pagepile of all rail pages (or, worse, all dabs). We could also look for anything linking to a {{station disambiguation}} (or redirect thereto) not called X (disambiguation), but not all interesting targets have that template: some list lines etc., some disambiguate railway stations from non-rail stations (farms, generators, etc.) and some simply lack the template. The cases already appear on the standard reports; the problem is that the usual tools and manual procedures for link disambiguation only change normal wikilinks and don't handle changing templates ({{stn|Foo}} → {{stn|Foo||Bar}}), let alone making intricate changes to Lua modules. Certes (talk) 12:34, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm happy to look at the reports as well on a regular basis. Is there a better way than remembering to look at https://dplbot.toolforge.org/disambig_links.php on a regular basis? Mackensen (talk) 12:57, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've created User:Certes/Reports/Ambiguous_rail_links, with help from SDZeroBot. This should run daily and on request, producing (subject to timing differences) a subset of the DPL output. Certes (talk) 21:39, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Last week I edited Template:IHL to change a link after a page move. I had moved Chicago Hounds to Chicago Hounds (ice hockey team) and edited the link in the template to point to the new location. Chicago Hounds is now a dab page, but the template links still seem to be pointing to it. Is there any quicker way of changing all the links, apart from doing a blank edit on the articles used in the template? Bcp67 (talk) 11:08, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bcp67: I don't think so. Either make a null edit the pages (no need to go as far as a dummy edit) or just wait for the backlog to catch up. Purging doesn't do the job. You may want to use AWB or JWB; either requires pre-approval but that should be automatic for someone with your record and a use for the tool. Certes (talk) 13:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Certes, it was the null edit I had in mind- wasn't sure of the correct term. I'll just go through the articles and do that. Thanks again. --Bcp67 (talk) 13:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tassedethe: http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/view/File_viewer#log:missing_entries-enwiki.log still works for me, and a look at directory http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/logs/ suggests that the data is being updated. Certes (talk) 19:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. I was sure it had stopped along with the other tools. Tassedethe (talk) 19:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Certes:, I'm not sure it's working properly. I checked Daniel Desmond (disambiguation) and William East, and the supposed missing links have been there for years. Is there a trick to getting the updated information? Tassedethe (talk) 19:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, I think you're right. The timestamps on the immediate inputs update, but I think they're being regenerated unchanged based on outdated inputs. Certes (talk) 19:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking. Another useful Dispenser tool unavailable :( Tassedethe (talk) 20:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The articles in this list have links to Constitution of Chile which seem to arise from a template titled "Constitutions of states and dependencies in the Americas". When you try to view or edit the template it takes you to Template:Americas topic and I can't see how to fix this.— Rod ^talk 22:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed User:DPL bot is adding the {{Incoming links}} template, but not removing it when the links have been fixed. You can see the category Category:Disambiguation pages with many incoming links has pages tagged going back months. The few I've looked at don't appear to have any incoming links. I left a note with the bot owner User:JaGa but they appear to be inactive (1 edit on Jan 1, before that September). Not sure if anything can be done without the owner? Tassedethe (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Bug squashed. Thanks for the report! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:40, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy disambiguators. I'm stumped on page Florida's 6th Senate district, within Template:Election box I'm trying to disambiguate Unaffiliated to Independent politician and for the life of me can't figure out how to do it. Curious to see how it's fixed. Peace- J04n(talk page) 17:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@J04n: I think the solution should be in adding a line for "Unaffiliated" at Module:Political party/U, which I have done, but it has not worked (yet). However, I don't know if this is because intermediary templates need to pick it up, which may take a few minutes. In the meantime I have implemented the ugly solution of changing the parameter value in the article itself. BD2412 T 18:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone take a look at the list of acronyms articles. Where an acronym is followed by several potential uses I have been linking to the dab page but where there is one acronym followed by one use it seems pointless to link both the acronym & the specific article:

• List of acronyms: A
• List of acronyms: B
• List of acronyms: C
• List of acronyms: F
• List of acronyms: L
• List of acronyms: M
• List of acronyms: N

Interested in the thoughts of others.— Rod ^talk 17:45, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Generally it's the lists that are wrong. In most cases, the reason the acronym is a dab is that there are multiple acronym meanings, so the list mention including only one meaning is incomplete. BD2412 T 18:04, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]