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Ezhiki, I'm not sure if you're aware but there has been an anonymous vandal (dubbed the "Charlie Dog Vandal") that is insisting there was a cartoon TV show that featured Charlie Dog (more info on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tregoweth/Archive_2). Please see the history of the Charlie Dog page and its discussion page as well as the Disco page (see its history). This person always uses an anonymous IP (4.160.x.x). I believe he has made new edits in 1974 in television and 1978 in television to add this show (which I cannot find using google search anywhere, the only thing that comes up is a special feature on the Garfield DVD released this year). He then updated my Talk page to show that the show must exist. I'm not sure of his motivation, but I think this person is not fully in touch with reality. Jeff schiller 16:42, 2005 Feb 7 (UTC)

No, I was not aware of that. No wonder I was having hard time finding anything. Anyway, I was going to re-edit 1974-1978 in television and remove this show. Thanks much for your pointers, though; I would still be uncertain what to do if it was not for your note.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 16:47, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Despite the decline of high culture in our society, there is nothing we can do about it.

Whatever this means?—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 23:56, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Ezhiki. You may want to check out Talk:Main Page. Some anon. user has posted a note over there about your "vandalism" on pages about '197X in television'. I'll let you decide, if you want, to delete or respond to the accusations. Regards. -- PFHLai 19:14, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I replied on the Talk:Main. Hopefully someone will read and sort this out soon enough so the Main Page talk page is rid of irrelevant discussions. Thanks again.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 19:33, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

I moved all cities and towns into the new category Category:Cities and towns in Russia. Please remove the obsolte categories Category:Cities in Russia and Category:Towns in Russia to prevent include of articles into them. MaxiMaxiMax 12:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Looks like someone else already took care of it. Category:Cities in Russia cannot be deleted at this time as it is currently stored in the Wikipedia databased in a compressed form.

Thanks for moving all the cities and towns into a single category, by the way. I can imagine what a tedious job that was!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 15:56, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Anyway thanx for your support. Moving of articles was not so tedious - I additionally set many missed interwikies between Russian and English articles, now interwikies for cities and towns are synchronized, so it was useful for both language parts. MaxiMaxiMax 16:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I do intend to put content into those articles. I am going to be using a tabular format for each article, grouping the ZIP codes into sections by third digit, with a 10x10 table in each section to cover the last two digits of each code. For cities in the 50 states, the format in each cell looks like this:

Section 005:

44: NY-103
Holtsville

The section gives the first three digits of the ZIP code (005 in this example). The 44 is the last two digits. NY is the postal abbreviation for the state, and 103 is the FIPS 6-4 code for the county (Suffolk County in this example). FIPS county codes should always be three digits, with leading zeroes added if necessary. So this example resolves the ZIP code of 00544 to Holtsville, New York.

I'm using these sources:

• http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown.jsp
• http://www.quine.org/zip-all-0.html et al.

Each ZIP code should only be associated with the city that the USPS tags as "acceptable (default)" for that code.

And as for my user name, I wish for it to remain red everywhere, even in the special pages. Denelson83 15:57, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I have my doubts about using FIPS codes for counties, though. This does not look user-friendly, as these codes are not really in common use. Also, are you going to list special ZIP codes as well (those assigned primarily to businesses and other similar entities)? What about updates (USPS makes changes to ZIP codes distribution fairly often)? Overall, however, the system looks pretty good—way better than the listings we currently have. Plus, it's about time someone put the ZIPs information in order.

Here is another resource for you, which I found to be of immense value: Melissa Data (check their main page as well). They have bunches of additional information not available through USPS, although they limit the number of queries you can submit in a day (which is easily overcome by utilizing proxies). Hope this helps. I'll try to join in on the fun if I have time, so count me in if you need help.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:42, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

It's still there on between 1974 in television to 1978 in television, no one has removed it. User:Jeff schiller insists he never saw that show, perhaps anyone wants to talk to American Broadcasting Company about a "non-existent" show? Wikipedia is doing nothing.

I did remove it when I was unable to find any proof of its existence. You shouldn't be worrying so much about it. Perhaps if you could produce some evidence about this show (since you are the one who is so concerned about it), it could be put back in the listing. Thanks for your caring attitude.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:11, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

No, you didn't, you kept the title there in the 1974-1975 American Television Schedule. through 1978, if you are lying to this Boston guy.

I never edited 1974-75 American network television schedule until just now (see it's history). I have just took Disco Dog off that schedule and the schedules following it for the same reason I took it off elsewhere. Please refrain from adding this show to any article until enough evidence is produced.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:52, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Put this back!

What do you mean by "refrain"? I am asking you to put the title back, the 1970s cartoon TV series was obscure, enough. Some people may be interested in the show.

User:Music Lover ←fake signature. No user with this name exists as of 3/7/5.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:25, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Do not forge signatures, 4.188.100.66. He has his reasoning. If the show is popular enough, you should be able to see it somewhere else on the web.Penwhale

Penwhale responded in the way I was going to. I have no problem with Disco Dog whatsoever, providing you can produce any significant proof that the show actually existed. Obscure or not, there must by some proof.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:25, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

The show had to do nothing, actually nothing with "foolishness", and could not be blamed on violent behavior. There are no comic books based on the show. As others think they didn't like the TV show, so I am asking you, Ezhiki to put it back, though I don't like disco all the time.

No, I will not put it back. Even if one ignores the fact that you (or whoever else edits in your IP range) overwrote other shows in the schedules to have Disco Dog added and assumes it was a mistake, there is still no indication anywhere that the show is real. If you quote at least one reliable source that reports this show, I will be more than willing to investigate this further. You surely used some sources to add this show to Wikipedia? If you did not, then it would fall under unverifiable information and will stay in its current state—removed.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 14:41, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

I WILL HAVE YOU REMOVED!

If you report me to Vandalism in Progress, that I would add the show, again, no one will accept this. And the dog could be blamed on "foolish" or violent behavior is NOT true in this article, I am going to talk to someone and my family. I was shocked that you will investigate, after I would add this show again.

Regards, Music Lover

Nobody will report Vandalism in Progress because the dog is not violent enough. I will be awaiting for results of your talk to someone and your family. No need to be shocked; whether the show is added or not, more investigation is going to be necessary; this is not vandalism per se. Please do not add the show until further results, because if they are not available this is going to become even more confusing. Best,

Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 03:28, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

One said that Charlie had fewer cartoons, but, my family said they "don't care for the Charlie Dog 1970s crap", their comments were last year. They don't know who he is, and claimed the show had pop tunes, which he appeared in. I could not find the show on both dogs on Google, which they insisted they were tired of. CBS blamed comic books or cartoons on violent behavior, I did hear it on 60 Minutes.

Regards, Music Lover

Heya. Just noticed that a user tried to blank you 2 times. :/ But at least you didn't lose your cool, which is very professional of you. Keep up the good work... Just thought I'd mention it. Best regards, Penwhale

Funny as it may seem, I was actually looking for a vandal that would jump on me. I really needed to vent. Not at the expense of being unprofessional, of course :) Thanks for the compliment.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 19:07, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

Rant is good. Ever feel like ranting randomly because people don't get your point? :) Penwhale 19:12, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hehe, tell me about it :)—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 19:13, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

I'm currently suffering from that... See Here to find out why I'm having a need to rant :P — Penwhale 19:17, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry. I did an incorrect rollback. The problem was with the previous anon. Mikkalai 19:49, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No problem. I figured it should have been something of that sort. Thanks for restoring it.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 19:55, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

Привет! Может быть лучше использовать gouvernorate на темплейте "История Татарстана"? --Untifler 21:22, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC) Кстати, нельзя ли как-нибуть вкратце выложит данные о башкирской истории на страницу Bashkortostan c Bashkir, Zeki Velidi Togan ect? Просто лично я не обладаю даром пересказыкать вкратце, тем более на английском... --Untifler 21:22, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

С темплейтом мне лично (пока, во всяком случае) всё равно. Пусть будет, как вам удобнее. В любом случае Governorate General англоязычным читателем должен быть понятнее, чем Guberniya. Неплохо было бы также написать хотя бы стаб. Я могу добавить немного (в рамках информации, имеющейся в статье History of the administrative division of Russia) про историю административной единицы как таковой (учреждение губернии, территориальные изменения), но к истории Татарстана это будет иметь отношение постольку поскольку.

Про башкирскую историю вкратце попытаюсь описать.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:25, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

AFAIK, Governorate General is general-gubernatorstvo, which is not the same as guberniya, i.e., governorate. 17:44, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Хорошо, спасибо. Кстати, вот ещё одна небольшая просьба. На немецком есть хорошая статься de:Chakassen, аналога которой на английком нет вообще. Былобы неплохо вкратце это переложить на .. незнаю как они будут in plural. m.b. Khakas? Кстати, и у немцев бы надо чуть подправить - с 1990 (?) Хакасия - не область а республика. Опять заранее большое спасибо... --Untifler 20:26, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Правильно будет либо Khakas, либо Khakass. Google выдаёт примерно одинаковое количество хитов (второй вариант немного чаще). Я использовал первый, поскольку, во-первых, и по-хакасски, и по-русски слово пишется с одной "с", а во-вторых, в силу моей невоспитанности второй вариант мне не нравится из-за своей задней части :). Со второго варианта поставил редирект на первый, так что проблем быть не должно.

Статью перевёл, хотя пошла она намного хуже, чем про башкир. Надо обязательно чтобы кто-то, кто знает немецкий хотя бы на уровне восьмого класса, перепроверил. Было бы неплохо также статью дописать, а то она получилась немного куцая.

Республикой Хакассия стала в 1992 году, что я в немецкую и английскую статьи добавил.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:30, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

user:Markussep is on the spree of removing word "River" from river names: contribs, talk. What do you think? Mikkalai 17:42, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wow, what an awful awful awful initiative. I'd understand it if the folks at WikiProject Rivers agreed upon it (although I can't imagine why), but making such massive changes without even asking—terrible! This user has my full lack of support on this.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:52, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

I suggest you to talk to him, since it is quite possible tha he may ignore my sole voice. Mikkalai 17:58, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yup, I have just added my message to yours on his talk page.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:59, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

I don't like the new pitcure, an hedgehog being attacked by an supposedly bird.

Just did. Don't like the new one either.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 00:53, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

Привет! надеюсь, не сильно надоедаю? Ещё раз спасибо от имени всех хакасов! Очень прошу проверить на корректность языка Mongol invasion of Volga Bulgaria! (Как всегда подозреваю что ошибок там до кучи, но хоть убей, их не вижу). Кстати, есть ли на русской вике сторониики тотального перевода всего с русского на английский? напр ru:Мусават?

Да нет, почему же, мне самому интересно отвечать на запросы; проблема только в том, что не на все запросы я могу помочь.

Упомянутую статью обязательно прочитаю и поправлю сразу же как только пройдёт запарка на работе. Скорее всего, на следующей неделе.

Насчёт русской вики не знаю — я там появляюсь довольно нечасто. Попробуйте связаться с Maximaximax'ом — он, как самый активный администратор русской части, сможет, наверное, помочь. Проблема с текстами для перевода в основном, по-видимому, заключается в их узкой специализации и терминологии — не каждый возьмётся перевести статью о том же Мусавате, например.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:32, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Please see a note I left at the talk to the Nikolai Romanov article. I know too little on the topic, so I posted a note at talk page rather than make a correction in the article. Please see if you can make an authoritative decision on this. Not that the rest of the article can't use some help :). Also, I tried to put into order the situation with several Grand Duke Konstantins in WP. This also needs improvement if you get to it. Stchastlivo! Irpen 00:44, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't know much enough on this subject to make any kind of decision either! I will, however, try to do some research on this when/if I have time. Sorry for not being of much help for now.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 18:35, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

thanks for your very friendly post at my page. :-) Finally there are some people that like my idea. It really seems to be a hard task for some countries. I am in contact with User:Ran for China, but they already have english. He helped me with Mongolia. Russia is a nut to crack ;-). I would like to use province for oblast, this seems to be ok. Like in Bulgaria, Kazakhstan, Kyrgygzstan and maybe one day in Belarus and Ukraine. Guberniya would be Governorate. Raion and Krai is still not solved in my head. District is reserved for okrug like in Serbia and as used in speach of Gennady Seleznev [1]. In Czechia and Slovakia the kraj are Region. But maybe we do not have to coordinate this, meaning of words can change. In Britannica I found "Sector" for Raion - never heard this before for subnational entity. I would not like this. Was it your idea to use krai=territory? In de: and eo: they use krai=region. If we would do the same and then having it like Czechia and Slovakia in the same run, what do we do with raion? County? Do you think there is opposition to use Oblast=Province for Russia? I will try to put some of your Naming conventions in the translation list. Your list is really good, this should be in an article so everybody can see it :-) Tobias Conradi 22:02, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)