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45.115.188.179 (talk) 16:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pusarla Venkata Sindhu is an Andhra Telugu girl born in Secunderabad or Hyderabad. Her parents PV Ramana and P Vijaya are from Coastal Andhra (Old Krishna District -- which includes West Godavari, Krishna and Guntur). PV Sindhu is a non-vegetarian. The family is either Kapu, Vaisya, Brahmin or Kamma. Please follow their personal interviews and all non-sense will be cleared. She is not a Jat and there is no such Telugu caste. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvsaraswathi (talk • contribs) 12:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

P.V.Ramana was born in West Godavari, Coastal Andhra. His wife P Vijaya of Vijayawada, Coastal Andhra was also a Volleyball player. They have two daughters. His younger daughter P.V.Sindhu is a Badminton medalist. The family live in Ratnalammakunta (West Godavari), Guntur, Vijayawada, and Secunderabad.^[1]

P V Sindhu is a South Indian badminton player who is Telugu by ethnicity. Certain Ip addresses are giving her family as Jat which is a North Indian Aryan Surname. Kindly check these vandalism that is being done by these Ip Addresses. These Ip adresses User:2406:5600:b5:60a0:1597:2ffb:287b:e78 ,User:116.202.253.38, User:CLCStudent are notorious for mentioning the same ethnicity at other articles possibly creating vandalism. Her place of Birth in the officially entered Glasgow Commonwealth Games 2014 is mentioned as Secunderabad, a division of Hyderabad located in Telangana Region, India. ^[2] Mencherla is a wrong birth place without any source indication. Kindly look into the matter and take necessary action.--Chintu89 (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that she is a Telugu Brahmin and not a Telugu Jaat as there is no presence of Jat community in south part of India. Requesting wikipedia to correct ethnicity of PV Sindhu. Thanks. Vicky.jaat21 (talk) 19:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Chintu89 and Vicky.jaat21: For the caste/ethnicity, you need reliable sources which contain self-identification. For relevant details and discussion links, see User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. The YouTube videos, which Chintu89 provided at the article's 'Childhood and early training' section, doesn't clarify her ethnicity. BTW, if you can speak Telugu then it doesn't mean you are of Telugu ethnicity. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NitinMlk: The Surname Pesarla is Telugu brahmin Surname and what else proof you need to indicate her identity. Your surname must be some Malik, its a north Indian surname. On what basis was she called Jat? Where is the proof? For your information, the name Sindhu is common given name for girls in both Telangana and Andhra Pradesh and it may be coincidence with some other name Sindhu in North. With her parents south indian name like P v Ramana and P venkata. Do you think they are some north Indians? --Chintu89 (talk) 20:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Chintu89: Calm down. I have already removed 'Jat' caste from her article multiple times. And read User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. It contains all the info & discussion links you need. And we can't add caste/ethnicity as per the surname. If you have reliable sources, which contain self-identification, then add her caste/ethnicity in the article. Otherwise refrain from it. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NitinMlk: I have refrained from it many times. But a lot of Id's are adding "Jat" intentionally through different User Id's. Now who will stop them? In order to counter them, I mentioned her real ethnicity. Her mention of ethnicity is not important to me(whether they mention here or not) because we know that she belongs to our community but when you post false information for other people that she is Jat or something to get some publicity or attention towards a community by various notorious robotic user Id's. It was just not tolerable. Now how you deal with that user Id's is upto you because they are regularly posting "Jat family" on the biography page. --Chintu89 (talk) 20:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Chintu89: Yes, there's a lot of vandalistic activity going on here. If you again see any such addition then please remove it. I will also try to do the same. In fact, I have already warned few of them. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please change Pursala Venkata Sindhu was born in a Telugu Jat family to Pursala Venkata Sindhu was born in a Telugu Brahmin family because there is no caste or community such as the Telugu Jats and Pursala Venkat Sindhu belongs to Telugu Brahmin community In reference to my edit Telugu brahmin community page can confirm this edit as her surname belongs to Telugu Brahmin caste Sgaurav182 (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See above. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

P.V. Sindhi is not from a Jat family. Tinderpix (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removed by another editor. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

rkumaran05 (talk) 22:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC) Sindhu career started turning into her favour and luck started visualizing her when her tenure with Chennai Smashers begin in Tamilnadu. Her career under the guidence of Captain started shooting like a rocket heading into the sky {Ref:"http://www.firstpost.com/sports/pbl-pv-sindhu-powers-chennai-smashers-to-thrilling-win-over-hyderabad-hunters-2578208.html"} rkumaran05 (talk) 22:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Please be clear about what you want added/changed, and make sure that the article you quote supports that. MikeLynch (talk) 22:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Want you to add an image : File:P.V. Sandhu Indian Badminton Player.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:P.V._Sandhu_Indian_Badminton_Player.jpg

Can you please add this ?

Pratikkumarbehera (talk) 09:35, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Image is copyrighted; please read the Image use policy. MikeLynch (talk) 09:42, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Under Induvidual runner's up list, the flag of Carolina Marin is Indian flag. Kindly, Replace it with Spanish flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.83.79 (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

•  Done - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 18:18, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PV Narasimha Rao's relative and from Bramhin caste just like PV Narasimha Rao who was CM and PM. Pusarla is bramhin name its obvious and not Kamma or Kapu or any other caste. Her father is PV and these Venkata names are kept by Bramhins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.72.228.46 (talk) 16:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Will everybody stop vandalixing the article by removing the word, Jat. He is a Jat. I dont know why nobody will accept it. Maybe it is because nobody wants to admit that they are wrong. Either way, stop removing Jat. 66.87.77.115 (talk) 19:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced the "fashion" image with a more sporty one but if someone could find a better one that would be good. Generally, a sports person should be shown in a sports milieu and the NAC jewelers image is not appropriate in the infobox (though it could go elsewhere in the article). --regentspark (comment) 14:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dey subrata, Sindhu has won a single title at BWF's multinational events, i.e. the WC title of this year. As far as open tournaments are concerned, she has 4 titles at the reputed BWF open tournaments, namely 3 at Super Series & 1 at the World Tour. Even if you consider the low rung open events, she has 6 & 4 titles at Grand Prix and International Challenge resp. That's sum up her career at the BWF circuit, and these titles cannot be considered as "numerous". Actually, we don't use such WP:PEACOCK terms, as they violate WP:NPOV, esp. when we don't have multiple high-quality sources to back up such WP:EXTRAORDINARY claims/wordings. If you take into account the number of events conducted every month by the BWF, then this title tally is just average. So, why did you reinstate such unsourced, ambiguous, & promotion term? You should either reinstate the NPOV term (which you reverted with this edit) or should provide multiple high-quality sources which support the reinstated puffery, i.e. "numerous". Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NitinMlk The line exactly written was, "Pusarla has won medals at numerous tournaments on the BWF circuit including a gold at the 2019 World Championships..." And in your edit summary you've written.. "won only handful of titles". The word numerous is not used for titles but for tournaments. She won medals at 1 Olympics, 1 A.Games, 2 S.A Games, 5 BWF World Cmship, 4 BWF World Tour, 7 BWF Superseries, 9 BWF Grand Prix. So you can't call it a "multiple" which is used for more the once used most in case of twice or thrice not for 30 tournaments..or 25 BWF Tournaments. Secondly, you have considered "numerous titles" instead of "numerous tournament". So before doing edit please open eyes and see exactly what you are editing. Thus "won handful of titles" and "comparison with Lin Dan" both are misleading edit summary per WP:SUMMARYNO. Dey subrata (talk) 20:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As I have already clarified, BWF don't award medals in open tournaments, as players don't represent their nation in them. So there are no medals in the BWF open events. And among multinational events, only Olympic and WC are the BWF individual events in which Sindhu has won medals. For clarification related to BWF events, please see Badminton World Federation#Tournaments. And please keep the content-related discussion here. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify again, multinational events like Asian Games, Commonwealth Games, South Asian Games, etc. aren't part of the BWF circuit. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Zoglophie: Reo kwon has a valid point. "P. V. Sindhu" has their family name initialized, which means it is little known and seldom used. Even the reputed media houses like BBC, The Hindu, which represent the professional standard of writing, refer her by the given name subsequently. MOS:SURNAME is not a hard and fast rule, and common sense trumps all guidelines. -- Ab207 (talk) 05:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207:, over years the Mos:surname is applied here. So let us wait for further suggestions. Zoglophie (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk:, :@Stvbastian:, :@Florentyna:, :@GlashaLeo: you all are free to comment here. Zoglophie (talk) 14:36, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps MOS:GIVENNAME can be applied. Although the guideline doesn't talk about Telugu names particularly, but in common parlance (English media), "Sindhu" is used in place of the relatively unknown "Pusarla". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For my better understanding, what should be changed? Florentyna (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Florentyna: Whether to use Pusarla or Sindhu when referring to the subject of the article. Check this, you'll get the idea. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If the name was "Sindhu Pusarla" (standard [first name]-[last name] format), then MOS:SURNAME makes sense. But that's not the case here, using little-used surname would only puzzle the readers. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: if there's no opposition in a week to come, you can revert my edit in P. V. Sindhu. I think you have a point. Thankyou Zoglophie (talk) 07:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Reo kwon: your views are welcome here too. You may comment. Zoglophie (talk) 07:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I second Ab207. Pusarla is rarely used even in media. She is almost always referred to as Sindhu in media mostly because she initialized her surname. Reo kwon (talk) 08:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: No, as per MOS:SURNAME, we want to use her surname if she uses her surname at all in her profession. Almost every badminton game refers to her as "Pusarla Venkata Sindhu" or some other variant which includes her surname. In fact, in the Olympics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klAbKqpTHpo&t=56 since I apparently can't link to YouTube), her jersey read "Pusarla V S". This has been discussed before; MOS:GIVENNAME doesn't apply to her. The case of her surname being written before her given name is not a criterion for anything, as people like Xi Jinping are referred to as "President Xi", not "President Jinping". Getsnoopy (talk) 04:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, I reckon this is a case of surname being initialized as opposed to surname being written before. Her professional name has little bearing as we write the encyclopedia for a generalized audience who may or may not be sports enthusiasts. There's no "Pusarla" in the common name PV Sindhu, hence it makes little sense to refer to the person as such. Ab207 (talk) 20:12, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: I sense you're confusing WP:TITLE with MOS:SURNAME. The article's title already uses the name as cited by most reliable sources. Her professional name has all the bearing in this case, since it has to do with subsequent use, which is what the policy states. She has an actual family name that is not a patronymic, and she uses it professionally consistently. I have a feeling the other editors above are also confusing subsequent usage in general media vs. WP's subsequent usage policy. It might be common in Indian media to use first names in subsequent usage despite people having clearly publicized surnames (e.g., in Saina Nehwal's case), but it is jarring in general English usage and is considered inappropriate, especially for a formal encyclopaedia. Getsnoopy (talk) 22:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, There's no confusion. Since the subject's common name has an initial rather than a surname, an average reader would not be aware of it. That's why we can hardly find any English-language sources which refer to her by surname. As I said in my earlier comment, MOS:SURNAME is a generalized guideline suited for names which are in standard [first name]-[last name] format, which is certainly not the case here. Ab207 (talk) 07:03, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: That's exactly what the lead sentence is for; it clearly states what the person's full name is. That's why we can hardly find any English-language sources which refer to her by surname. Again, this is what I was pointing out; I have a feeling you're confusing what sources' subsequent usage is vs. what WP's subsequent usage policy is. It doesn't matter what other sources are doing with regard to our subsequent usage policy. You argument would be valid if the article made no mention of her last name at all, but just had "P. V. Sindhu" everywhere. Since it introduces her full name as the first word of the article, the question of whether someone would be familiar or not is immaterial; it's right there.

Similarly, if she exclusively used her name as "P. V. Sindhu" professionally, then there again I'd agree with you. This isn't the case, however; she almost exclusively uses "Pusarla Sindhu", "Pusarla V. Sindhu", or "Pusarla V. S." professionally, which is what MOS:SURNAME alludes to as well. Subsequent usage has to do with the self-referentiality of articles, not with whether every subsequent use would be recognized by people otherwise. Also, there is no evidence that MOS:SURNAME is only for FirstName LastName formats; as I've already pointed out, it is used for myriad articles on Chinese people and people of other cultures where it is customary to put the last name first. Let's not invent rules or reasons. Getsnoopy (talk) 18:37, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, She may or may not use her common name professionally but our average reader knows her by the name P. V. Sindhu, not Pusarla. The customary mention of the full name in the introduction does not remove the unfamiliarity. The LastName FirstName format of Chinese names is not parallel to the Initials FirstName format which we have here. This is not inventing new rules, Wikipedia has no firm rules and there's always room for exceptions. Ab207 (talk) 07:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: but our average reader knows her by the name P. V. Sindhu. Firstly, this is refuted by the fact that people who know her know her for her badminton, not for other reasons. Saying that she is known professionally as "Pusarla [V.] Sindhu", but that people don't know her as such is illogical. Secondly, the statement is not corroborated by evidence, seeing as even most of the non-sports-related reliable sources refer to her as "Pusarla Venkata Sindhu" at first mention. So even going by your logic of reliable sources not mentioning it, the argument doesn't hold up. Thirdly, are you arguing that a person who's landed on an article entitled "P. V. Sindhu" and has the first mention as "Pusarla Venkata Sindhu" is going to suddenly get confused when they see "Pusarla" in subsequent mentions? The point isn't that the rules are firm; it's that there's absolutely no reason to break them in this case. MOS:SURNAME is pretty clear: if they have a surname and use it professionally, use it in subsequent mentions; if not, then use their professional/given name. I don't know why you're complicating it unnecessarily. Getsnoopy (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, Each and every single article you've gathered subsequently refer her as "Sindhu." There isn't a single source that refers to her by surname, for the same reasons we discussed above. Guidelines are for vastly generalized cases, there's no need to be bureaucratic about them. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: I feel like we've ended up where we've started. Every one of those examples invoke her full name at the beginning, which is the point. I've already pointed out that those publications' subsequent use policies are irrelevant to WP; we have our own subsequent use policy. Many of those publications also refer to Saina Nehwal as "Saina" in subsequent use, yet you wouldn't endorse we refer to her as "Saina" in her article as well, would you? It's not about bureaucracy; it's about proper English usage. It is entirely inappropriate to subsequently refer to someone by their given name in any formal writing, let alone a professional encyclopaedia. The only exceptions to this are if they simply don't have a surname / family name or if they exclusively use a different stage/professional name, neither of which clearly is the case here. MOS:SURNAME merely codifies this unwritten general rule. I don't understand why you're convinced this is "an exception" despite all evidence to the contrary. Getsnoopy (talk) 04:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, We cannot overlook the fact that the subject uses an initial rather than a surname in their WP:COMMONNAME. @Reo kwon: As someone who first made the change, you may express your views here. Ab207 (talk) 06:06, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: Again, yes we can; WP:COMMONNAME is related to titles due to the issue of discoverability. If one types in "P. V. Sindhu" into a search box on WP, they should be able to find the article easily. This has no (and shouldn't have any) bearing on their name throughout the article; it merely happens to be correlated in many cases because someone's exclusively-used professional name happens to be their common name. This isn't the case in P. V. Sindhu's case. Getsnoopy (talk) 22:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, Let me put it this way, take a hypothetical scenario where the subject's COMMONNAME is V. Sindhu or just Sindhu. Would you still recommend applying MOS:SURNAME? Ab207 (talk) 05:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: I would if she uses Pusarla (V.) Sindhu professionally and wouldn't otherwise. That is exactly my point: it doesn't matter what her COMMONNAME is; what she uses professionally is what matters (because, evidently, she is famous for her profession). And in her case, she exclusively uses Pusarla V. S. (arguably the complete opposite of the current situation), Pusarla V. Sindhu, or Pusarla Venkata Sindhu. Getsnoopy (talk) 18:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, Yeah but we ought to write our article to an average reader who may not be a badminton enthusiast and may not know what their professional name is. Ab207 (talk) 18:35, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: I don't understand why you keep harping on this point. Encyclopaedias are to educate people about topics; if people are reading the article, I think it's safe to assume that they have landed on the article to learn about her. We have her full name as the first words of the article. I don't think you claiming that they wouldn't have learned what her name is after reading the first 3 words of the article is convincing at all. This is also overlooking the unconvincing assumption that people arriving on the article do not know her for her badminton, but (inexplicably) know her anyway; they either know her or they don't. And she doesn't have a "professional name" and a "non-professional name"; it's just one name that happens to be commonly abbreviated, but used in full in her profession. All of this is notwithstanding the fact that any average reader has the capability to understand subsequent uses, in the same way an average reader has the capability to figure out that if a term is mentioned initially (e.g., "Reserve Bank of India (RBI)"), then subsequent mentions of only its abbreviation (e.g., "RBI") must be referring back to the initial mention. Getsnoopy (talk) 07:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getsnoopy, I believe we are in a clear disagreement which seems unlikely to resolve without outside intervention. We may invite the previous participants/major contributors to the article and seek which version they endorse so that the discussion is concluded. Regards Ab207 (talk) 07:52, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: That sounds fine; let's wait for others' opinions. I will be reverting back to the way it was until the discussion is resolved. Getsnoopy (talk) 06:13, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I was linked to this debate on another another discussion about Telugu names. This seems to have descended into a "professional" vs "non professional" name argument, when really it is about cultural differences. Traditional Telugu names are in the order "[family name] [given name] [optional caste name]", with people being referred to by their given or caste name in both Telugu and English. As per MOS:GIVENNAME, there are several cultures where people are referred to by their given name on Wikipedia. Vietnamese is the most similar one in this regard: for example, Ngô Đình Diệm is not referred to by his surname Ngô, but by his given name Diệm as per Vietnamese customs. In a similar context, Tamil names have a similar structure where (a) patronymic(s) is placed first and a given name is added on after that, with the given name being used to refer to that person (ex. E. V. K. Sampath).

As for the jerseys, is it indeed true that in international events her jersey reads Pusarla (2016 Olympics, 2018 Asian Games, 2019 BWF World). However, it could be that they put the surname without realizing that its the given name that is supposed to be used (which seems to have resulted in the ridiculous situation that only "P V" is written on the virtual score widget on RTVE's telecast in the 2015 Denmark Open, even though her jersey had "P V Sindhu" written on it). The 2014 Asian Championships has gotten it right, with Sindhu P V (that is to say, "Sindhu, P. V.") being written on the jersey and "Sindhu" being the name used on the broadcast widget. In addition, Sindhu is referred to as such in interviews (links: 1 2 3) which I think is better evidence. MSG17 (talk) 17:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]