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== notes in infobox == |
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We should find a way to add [[Template:Football player infobox]] in here... Looks good. |
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Shouldn't it be noted to avoid adding notes or citations to the info box? Note 3 give an alignment issue to start with. Info box is suppose to be clean, clear and precise information, it really is not good to convolute it with citations. I recommend we remove those bits on the example. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 07:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Any ideas? |
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:Have you read the notes? Notes 1 to 3 are there to further explain our conventions for player pages. Only note 4 represents an example of a note that could be found in an article. [[User:Robby.is.on|Robby.is.on]] ([[User talk:Robby.is.on|talk]]) 09:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::Robby, maybe you should delete this thread and ignore my stupidity, I posted that at 7:23am, so probably wasn't quite awake yet. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 16:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Heh. No problem! These things happen. :-) [[User:Robby.is.on|Robby.is.on]] ([[User talk:Robby.is.on|talk]]) 19:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== EFL prefix and when to em dash == |
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--[[User:Sebastiankessel|Sebastian Kessel]] <sup>''[[User_talk:Sebastiankessel|Talk]]''</sup> 17:07, 20 September 2005 (UTC) |
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From the 2016–17 season the English Football League has been known as ''EFL'' Championship, ''EFL'' League One etc. rather than just Championship, League One etc. I've noticed a few career statistics including the EFL prefix in the Division column, what is the consensus on whether to include it or not? I like to include it, but I want to go with the consensus and keep it consistent where possible. |
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Oops sorry, I just noticed I should have discussed here before I made my changes, but it can be easily removed, can't it? Feel free to modify the bullshit I wrote I'm not full of imagination at this point. Cheers, [[User:Julien Tuerlinckx|Julien Tuerlinckx]] 20:26, 26 October 2005 (UTC) |
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Secondly, a bit of advice on when/when not to merge and "em dash" some of the apps/goals columns. I'll give you an example; if a player joins a team on loan, say from a Premier League/Football League club to a non-league club, and they join ''after'' the team they're joining has been knocked out of the FA Cup, should the FA/National cup column be merged and em dashed? Likewise with the "Other" column - if they play for the team while they are knocked out (or even ineligible) of say, the FA Trophy, should that also be merged and em dashed? |
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== list of clubs == |
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Edit: oh and of course I realise if a player plays for a non-league team then the EFL/League cup should be dashed out. |
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As it is now, clubs are both listed in the template to the right and as a list in the text the info becomes redundant, would it be an idea to delete the list in the text? Perhaps placing an "Honours" section somewhere instead/too? [[User:Poulsen|Poulsen]] 20:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
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: Seems like a good idea. Modified. -- <font face="fixedsys">[[User:Johan Elisson|Elisson]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Johan Elisson|•]] <font face="fixedsys">[[User talk:Johan Elisson|Talk]]</font> 21:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Many thanks! [[User:Pascopedral|Pascopedral]] ([[User talk:Pascopedral|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC) |
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==Cats== |
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I'm quite embarrassed by the way people are modifying the order of the cats for footballers: they sort it by alphabetical order (which is the policy for general articles, I guess) while I would prefer to have some special policy for footballers. To me, the cats should be in this order: |
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#birth year |
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#"other" cats (living people, natives from...), by alphabetical order |
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#country (e.g. english footballers) |
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#position (e.g. football (soccer) striker) |
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#clubs by chronological order (e.g. Arsenal F.C. players) |
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#manager (if needed, with managed clubs like for player) |
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#death year |
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== Custom template for goalkeepers == |
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Any comment welcome. And by the way, if someone adds something like West Ham F.C. midfielders, then the player should not have the cat West Ham F.C. players, which is redundant. [[User:Julien Tuerlinckx|Julien Tuerlinckx]] 18:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC) |
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I don't think "Goals" column is particularly helpful in player's data (appearances, team, year, goals) if the player is a goalkeeper. "Goals conceded", "Penalties saved" etc. makes more sense. [[User:BurakUeda|BurakUeda]] ([[User talk:BurakUeda|talk]]) 01:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC) |
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: I agree on the order, almost. :) I use birth, "other", death, country (player), position, player clubs (chronological), country (manager), manager clubs (chronological). The only difference being how I place the year of death. I too dislike people (mostly bots) rearranging the categories. -- <font face="fixedsys">[[User:Johan Elisson|Elisson]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Johan Elisson|•]] <font face="fixedsys">[[User talk:Johan Elisson|Talk]]</font> 18:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:NOTSTATS]] applies. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 12:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC) |
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==History== |
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where do you put the history of the player, there is no history category [[User:Philc 0780|Philc 0780]] 21:23, 13 March 2006 (UTC) |
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:Eh? History category? I don't really understand what you mean? Would you care to explain a little more on what you mean? – <font face="fixedsys">[[User:Johan Elisson|Elisson]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Johan Elisson|•]] <font face="fixedsys">[[User talk:Johan Elisson|Talk]]</font> 22:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC) |
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for example on the article on [[Ronaldinho]] there is about 4 or 5 paragraphs on his history,but this isnt on the template...[[User:Philc 0780|Philc 0780]] 22:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== Order of items in the medals table? == |
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== Disambiguation == |
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Is there a standard for the order of items in the medals table? It looks like the FIFA World Cup is listed first, with items decreasing from there in order of significance, and with the Olympics thrown in at the end. Is there a more defined list of how they should be arranged? —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 21:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Is there a standard in place for when an athlete shares a name with another person who has a Wikipedia article? Should it be [[Antonio Martinez (footballer)]] or [[Antonio Martinez (soccer player)]] since he is American? Help please...--[[User:Rockero|Rockero]] 01:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:As far as I am aware, no - nothing at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players]] - but the general rule is, again as far as I am aware, that yes it is in significance of the trophy. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 12:06, 12 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Order of club history? == |
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== On Loan Vs Signed in Club Stats == |
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Current (most recent) club on top or on bottom? Does anybody care? |
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When a player is on loan, and then is signed by that club, should the club stats subtotal reflect both the loan season and the signed seasons, or should there be separate subtotals? [[User:Froglife94|Froglife94]] ([[User talk:Froglife94|talk]]) 02:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
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I've seen both. |
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:I'm now wondering the same thing, as nearly every article I've seen follows the "loan is not included" practice, and yet recently, my edit to bring [[:Martin Ødegaard]] to that standard was reverted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martin_%C3%98degaard&diff=1210259326&oldid=1210257750] by an experienced editor saying "includes loan spell". Has the consensus changed without me noticing—and without pretty much any other article following suit—or is Ødegaard's article somehow different? [[User:Anwegmann|Anwegmann]] ([[User talk:Anwegmann|talk]]) 04:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::They should be separate. Matty got it wrong at Ødegaard. [[User:Robby.is.on|Robby.is.on]] ([[User talk:Robby.is.on|talk]]) 23:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:With the youth teams hardcoded on top, it seems most logical to start with the earliest professional club on top. [[User:Poulsen|Poulsen]] 18:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Fully agree with Robby - they are separate spells and should be treated as such. The only exception is when a player has two separate loan spells with the same club in the same season, from the same parent club. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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==Number of goals== |
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Asked this on the [[Alessandro Del Piero]] article, but I'll ask here too. Number of goals listed in the player infoboxes - should it be goals in all competitions, or just league goals? --[[User:Bigdottawa|Bigdottawa]] 21:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Just league goals. --[[User:Daduzi|<font color="Brown">'''Daduzi'''</font>]] [[User talk:Daduzi|<font color="Green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 13:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Does that include playoff goals?[[User:Rballou|Rballou]] 22:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::Probably, since playoffs are technically part of the league season (rather than a separate cup) though I can't be 100% sure on that. --[[User:Daduzi|<font color="Brown">'''Daduzi'''</font>]] [[User talk:Daduzi|<font color="Green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 07:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Player Stats== |
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Should player pages have stats? I have noticed some players (ex. [[Petr Cech]]) have some stat information. I think it is a good addition, but I wasn't sure if it fit in the scope of these articles. [[User:Rballou|Rballou]] 18:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I have created some templates for creating a stat box for regular players (positions other than goalkeepers). These are my first templates, so let me know if there are anythings that should change: [[Template:fbplayerstatstart]] --[[User:Rballou|Rballou]] 22:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::I moved the template to [[Template:football playerstat start]]. I have used it on a few MLS players, for example: [[Nick Garcia]] -- [[User:Rballou|Rballou]] 19:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::It's a nice template, but the existence of the "playoff" field makes it of limited use outside of the US (where playoffs, if they exist, are usually just one or two games to decide promotion/relegation). Perhaps it might be an idea to make the playoffs field hidden by default, unless there's something in it (though that could be tricky), or create a new template for non-MLS players. --[[User:Daduzi|<font color="Brown">'''Daduzi'''</font>]] [[User talk:Daduzi|<font color="Green"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 07:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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I am open to what needs to change for players outside of the US. Some problems I see even for players in the US: |
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# The "Domestic Cup" heading. If a player has competed in a European league and the MLS, the "Domestic Cup" would be different and the stats should arguably not be mingled. |
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# I have made the template so you can rename the "Domestic Cup" (to "US Open Cup", for example), but I don't know if this is a good idea or not. |
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# If a league has more competitions than "Playoffs", "Domestic Cup", and "Continental Cup" then the template also would currently be limited. |
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I will take a look at how to handle the playoff situation over the next week or so. Thanks for your input. -[[User:Rballou|Rballou]] 14:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Infobox update== |
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I've just updated the example infobox to be the one from [[Template talk:Infobox Football biography]]. I've done this because the difference was causing pointless bickering with new editors, and the one on this page was hopelessly out of date. Hope everyone is in agreement, cheers, [[User:Alii h|aLii]] 15:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC) |
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==Playing Style== |
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How about creating a section that describes their playing style - I know that it can easily become POV. |
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e.g Rooney - A deep lying forward who likes to drop into midfield to collect the ball and start the play from there. (Obviously it would be elaborated a bit more).[[User:82.69.40.37|82.69.40.37]] |
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== Opening sentence and location of birth == |
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The proposed template is opposed to the guideline at [[WP:DATE#Dates of birth and death]] and at [[WP:MOSBIO]], which states that the birthplace goes in the body, not in the opening sentence. I do not see any reason to change these two guidelines for footballers; these are, in fact, biographies. I have had a complaint from an editor who is trying to follow this proposed template, but a proposal does not override established guidelines. I suggest that the template for footballers be changed to conform to the existing guidelines. [[User:Chris the speller|Chris the speller]] 17:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC) |
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: Go ahead and do the changes needed. This is a wiki after all. ;) – [[User:Johan Elisson|Elisson]]<small> • [[User talk:Johan Elisson|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Johan Elisson|C]] •</small> 18:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the invitation; I have taken you up on it, and have added a biography section to the template. In addition to providing a hook from which to hang the birthplace, it can house other items of human interest. [[User:Chris the speller|Chris the speller]] 23:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== playername and fullname == |
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What is the difference between these two fields? Are they duplicates?--[[User:Panarjedde|Panarjedde]] 18:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC) |
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I don't think they're exactly the same. If anything should be done, the big bolded letters should be gone. Not the full name. [[User:Kingjeff|Kingjeff]] 18:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC) |
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If they are not the same, why are you filling them with the ''same'' content? If the player is name John Smith, why you need to write it twice? The only reason why the fields are there is in case the name of the player and his full name differ, such as in [[Ronaldo]] case, but when they are the same the second field is redundant.--[[User:Panarjedde|Panarjedde]] 18:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Like I said. it should be the big bolded letters that should be deleted. Not the fullname. Whats the point of the be bolded letters to begin with? [[User:Kingjeff|Kingjeff]] 19:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC) |
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notes in infobox[edit]
Shouldn't it be noted to avoid adding notes or citations to the info box? Note 3 give an alignment issue to start with. Info box is suppose to be clean, clear and precise information, it really is not good to convolute it with citations. I recommend we remove those bits on the example. Govvy (talk) 07:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Have you read the notes? Notes 1 to 3 are there to further explain our conventions for player pages. Only note 4 represents an example of a note that could be found in an article. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Robby, maybe you should delete this thread and ignore my stupidity, I posted that at 7:23am, so probably wasn't quite awake yet. Govvy (talk) 16:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- Heh. No problem! These things happen. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 19:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- Robby, maybe you should delete this thread and ignore my stupidity, I posted that at 7:23am, so probably wasn't quite awake yet. Govvy (talk) 16:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
EFL prefix and when to em dash[edit]
From the 2016–17 season the English Football League has been known as EFL Championship, EFL League One etc. rather than just Championship, League One etc. I've noticed a few career statistics including the EFL prefix in the Division column, what is the consensus on whether to include it or not? I like to include it, but I want to go with the consensus and keep it consistent where possible.
Secondly, a bit of advice on when/when not to merge and "em dash" some of the apps/goals columns. I'll give you an example; if a player joins a team on loan, say from a Premier League/Football League club to a non-league club, and they join after the team they're joining has been knocked out of the FA Cup, should the FA/National cup column be merged and em dashed? Likewise with the "Other" column - if they play for the team while they are knocked out (or even ineligible) of say, the FA Trophy, should that also be merged and em dashed?
Edit: oh and of course I realise if a player plays for a non-league team then the EFL/League cup should be dashed out.
Many thanks! Pascopedral (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Custom template for goalkeepers[edit]
I don't think "Goals" column is particularly helpful in player's data (appearances, team, year, goals) if the player is a goalkeeper. "Goals conceded", "Penalties saved" etc. makes more sense. BurakUeda (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
- WP:NOTSTATS applies. GiantSnowman 12:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Order of items in the medals table?[edit]
Is there a standard for the order of items in the medals table? It looks like the FIFA World Cup is listed first, with items decreasing from there in order of significance, and with the Olympics thrown in at the end. Is there a more defined list of how they should be arranged? —C.Fred (talk) 21:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- As far as I am aware, no - nothing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players - but the general rule is, again as far as I am aware, that yes it is in significance of the trophy. GiantSnowman 12:06, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
On Loan Vs Signed in Club Stats[edit]
When a player is on loan, and then is signed by that club, should the club stats subtotal reflect both the loan season and the signed seasons, or should there be separate subtotals? Froglife94 (talk) 02:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm now wondering the same thing, as nearly every article I've seen follows the "loan is not included" practice, and yet recently, my edit to bring Martin Ødegaard to that standard was reverted [1] by an experienced editor saying "includes loan spell". Has the consensus changed without me noticing—and without pretty much any other article following suit—or is Ødegaard's article somehow different? Anwegmann (talk) 04:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- They should be separate. Matty got it wrong at Ødegaard. Robby.is.on (talk) 23:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)