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Hello all,

Quick presentation: I work with Kiwix, the offline reader that offers Wikimedia content for people with limited connectivity.
Quick background: Kiwix runs on all platforms, but we launched last year Wikimed with the help of WikiProject Medicine. It basically is an Android app offering all of Wikipedia's medical content. Lo and behold, it is a huge success on the Indian subcontinent (about 40% of our downloads)! We figured it would be a good idea, therefore, to target our next app to the region's audience.

That's where we need your help, because to be honest we know nothing about it and figured we might as well ask the experts.

How does it work: we unfortunately can not use categories (ideally category:Cinema of India) - so the next best thing is that we select articles based on the intersection of two Wiki Projects: {{WikiProject India}} and {{WikiProject Film}}. All articles that have been tagged by both projects will therefore be included. So we need to make sure that all articles you would like included are correctly tagged. For instance, talk:List of Assamese films of 2014 has been tagged by the Wikiproject Film but not by the WikiProject India (at the time of writing): if we want it included, we need to correct this (ditto for all similar pages; maybe a bot can help?). To be clear, we can also intersect other wikiprojects, just let us know.

What do we need: other than correct tagging? basically just a landing page that would present the content. You can see a draft here.

How you can help: make this landing page yours: you can change pretty much everything that says XXX or YYY or "article" (the left column is ours, don't touch it). Even the name of the app: I put Bollywoodpedia because it sounded catchy and I know nothing else, but if you want to give it another name, go for it. Remember: we cannot use categories (or link to them), so every link you put in there must direct to an article. A good idea would be to list a blend of the most-read articles by genre.

Any question -> let me know here, or here or here. Thanks, Stephane (Kiwix) (talk) 08:56, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, FYI I am uploading to Commons all Indian movies which are in the public domain in India. Please tell me if you have any special request or comment. Regards, Yann (talk) 10:47, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Yann: Could you please post the category link is once you start? - Vivvt (Talk) 10:49, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am creating a category for each movie, as there may be more material (songs, stills, poster, etc.). But you can find the whole list here. All videos bigger than 1 GB are waiting for server-side uploads. Regards, Yann (talk) 12:18, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BLP and other content-related issues on R. Parthiepan have been cited by the subject itself in this video at 14:10 onwards. This is video is in Tamil language. It can be translated from the particular time-frame, wherein the interviewer wants to reaffirm or elaborate with R. Parthiepan about his early professional life that he came to know from Wikipedia, for which R. Parthiepan claims that whatever is said about him Wikipedia is entirely false like Date of birth, place of birth and early professional life and many more. He adds, he tried to correct certain which went in vain. He also advised the organisers of any institution where he would be a guest of honour that he don't want them to read Wikipedia to know about him for delivering an introduction on the dais. Any thoughts? --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ) 01:10, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Has he mentioned the correct date of birth in the video? If so, you could cite the video as a source in the article. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted the DOB and his birthplace. Should be sourced anyway. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of highest-Domestic collection of Indian films is a relatively new article that the ICTF should be aware of. I don't quite understand why it's focusing on net when most financial articles focus on gross. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey all, (all two of you...) I've moved the proposed ICTF FAQ into the hands of the ICTF. Instead of in my user space it can now be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/ICTF FAQ or more simply, at WP:ICTFFAQ. It probably shouldn't be considered a live FAQ though, since many of the sources we haven't really discussed. Some are in the "not yet discussed" column that may in fact be poor references, so some effort will be needed to move accordingly. Indiaglitz could probably be moved to the "generally not considered reliable". Although I think we also need to discuss when some of these sources could be used. For instance, if we don't think Indiaglitz is trustworthy for financial figures, do we think they're trustworthy for non-controversial data like release dates? Interviews? Surely there is a way to still use some of the content these sites are generating. Maybe dealing in absolutes is not the best way to go here. Since financial data seems to be the biggest source of headaches, (thanks, corruption!) I think the community should be very selective about sources for that info. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, not surprisingly, there's yet another major discrepancy with the gross for a Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh film, Hind Ka Napak Ko Jawab: MSG Lion Heart 2. India TV News reports it as 100 crore in its first week. Box Office India sees things differently, reporting a 1 week gross of 4.28 crore. So I'm not sure how you guys want to deal with this. It could be presented as a range, or in some other way. Is India TV a reliable source? I couldn't find any info at BollywoodHungama, which causes me concern. I see several possibilities, including that India TV news is just regurgitating what the producers have claimed. I don't know off-hand, and I don't have much time lately to research this in depth. Any efforts to do so and to formulate a plan, would be appreciated. Note that there were huge discrepancies for the other films made by Singh--shitty reviews but astounding box office claims. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just came across the above awards page. It has a full Category:Global Indian Film Awards. Looks like they were distributed only in 2005 and 2007. I have merged 3 of the category pages to the main awards article. I don't think all the awards categories pages should have a standalone article? What do you all feel? Should we merge all of them? --Skr15081997 (talk) 08:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If they can't be expanded any further, it's safe to merge them. --Kailash29792 (talk) 08:54, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Hans India - Use or don't use as reference? About Us. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 11:14, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why not. --Kailash29792 (talk) 02:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, one argument might be that it was started in 2011 and thus might not be as well established as others, but if you're not bothered by is and you seem to know it, that's good enough for me. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As a resident of Hyderabad, i can confidently say that this newspaper is one of the most prominent vernacular ones alongside The Hindu, TOI and DC (surpassing the latter in some zones). ** Pavan Jandhyala ** 06:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Pavanjandhyala: A belated thank you for your input. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:11, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For the promotion of their upcoming films, actors frequently appear on TV shows; comedy, reality and even guest roles in daily soaps. It is apparent that the performance is merely for promotion. Should such roles be included in filmography list. What about appearances in TV specials of award shows. The leading actors have made dozens of such appearances. What's the community's opinion on this issue? --Skr15081997 (talk) 03:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, for the reasons you said. Bollyjeff | talk 04:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, unless there's something unique or rare about the appearance that would be relevant for some academic reason, and/or if the appearance garnered significant secondary coverage. For example, when Drew Barrymore hopped on David Letterman's desk and flashed him, that drew a significant amount of coverage. Sinead O'Connor tearing up Pope John Paul's photo on Saturday Night Live would be noteworthy because of the subsequent media attention. Some actor doing a mundane promo interview on Comedy Nights with Kapil would probably not be noteworthy. Wikipedia is not IMDB, and we are not here to log every movement an actor makes, only to present a general overview of their most significant works. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:10, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know anything about 123telugu.com? Reliable? Not? On their About page, they say they're reliable, so naturally I'm suspicious.

123telugu.com, a part of the prestigious Mallemaala Entertainments Group headed by noted Producer Sri Shyam Prasad Reddy, is a comprehensive and reliable resource for Telugu Movie News, Reviews, Photos and Political News.

I see a flimsy article on Shyam Prasad Reddy, so I'm not yet convinced of why he or his organisation should be considered an expert on Telugu film reviews, financial figures, etc. (Or Political news, for that matter...) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have just removed some dollar conversions from articles in accordance with the consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force/Archive_6#PROPOSAL:_The_INRConvert_template_should_be_cut_from_various_list_articles. However, unless you know of the discussion there is not much point having a consensus if it is not visible to editors; therefore I recommend adding the consensus to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Films an dthen it can be easily referred to by taskforce editors. Betty Logan (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I Have put it, and will seek to put others there too. It is always hard to find old discussions when you need them. Bollyjeff | talk 00:25, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're the best, Betty! Thanks for the thoughtful assists! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:52, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know if Baahubali 2 is shot in both Telugu and Tamil? I'm seeing claims at Talk:Baahubali 2: The Conclusion and elsewhere (I think) that the sequel was dubbed into Tamil. I know that sources said the first film was simultaneously shot, I'm just curious if the sequel changed format as far as anyone knows. A timely reply would be appreciated. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the Tamil version, and the censor certificate does not mention it as being a dubbed version. --Kailash29792 (talk) 07:58, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding Kailash29792. Did you happen to notice any glaring lip sync issues for the bulk of the Tamil version? Anything that would suggest that most of it was dubbed? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nope; in fact, one of the actors found it easier to dub in Tamil than Telugu. In this interview, Rajamouli mentions why the whole Baahubali series was planned as a bilingual filmed in Tamil and Telugu. He also mentions that 30-40% shooting of The Conclusion was complete during The Beginning's release. So I guess he indicates that The Conclusion was indeed filmed in Tamil. --Kailash29792 (talk) 08:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The following articles mentions it as a Telugu movie which had been dubbed to other languages including Tamil. And all other articles on Bahubali 2 mentioned it as a Telugu Cinema only.

• HT->http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional-movies/could-baahubali-2-become-the-first-indian-film-to-cross-rs-1000-cr-at-the-bo/story-ou4eWPFmJCeGiJoqF8zqvK.html
• CNN->http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/04/entertainment/india-movies-baahubali-bollywood/
• BBC->http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-39777539 agasthyathepirate(talk) 11:20, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand the western news sources making a mistake, but it's ridiculous if the Hindustan Times doesn't get it right. This simply should not be in dispute. The CNN source doesn't say that it's dubbed in Tamil, only that "It's being distributed" in a variety of languages. I don't know what to do here. Do we really need a reference for something that should be super-obvious by watching the movie? If the people's lips move correctly in time with the dialogue, typically, that's the best indicator that it's not dubbed. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Believe me :) . We may get false votes. Telugus supporting Telugu and Tamils supporting Tamil. And do you mean HT is not a valid source? agasthyathepirate(talk) 13:51, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This may surprise you, but even "valid sources" get facts wrong and/or are guilty of poor journalism. I'll always point to the crappy job Indian Express/Financial Express did reporting the Kabali figures, making it seem the film grossed ₹677 crore at the box office when at least 200 of that was in pre-release income. And it would not surprise me one bit if the recent statements of the Tamil version being a dub was not part of wider agenda to have Tamil removed from the list of languages at the main Baahubali 2 article as well as List of highest-grossing Indian films. This has been an ongoing issue since 2015 or so. "Give Telugu its due credit!" Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:40, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes what you said may be correct. The war is because, this movie became talk of India and everyone wants to claim it. The fact being all(or may be few) such Bilingual movies which are made before this movie were given with their Production industry language in first line of the article. For example- You can refer Ravanan a Tamil-Hindi bilingual movie. Keeping articles like this in mind its quite natural everyone would be expecting it resembles other existing articles. If not resembling they may feel biased and will start requesting to include it. I believe this issue needs attention at more broad level. My opinion is we can give information but may or may not be totally keeping production industry in the first line of the article, but definitely it should be in lead. This is my opinion only. agasthyathepirate(talk) 15:25, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

agasthyathepirate, I already linked this interview, but I don't think you read it. Rajamouli says in that, "Given the budget of the film, it's impossible to recover the cost involved if we release in just one language. Right from the start, the plan was to make it as a Tamil-Telugu bilingual." By the time the first film released, the second film was already 30-40% complete, as stated by Rajamouli in the same interview. So it seems obvious that even the second film was shot in Tamil, not merely dubbed. --Kailash29792 (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]