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I would appreciate feedeback at Wikipedia:Peer review/Shah Rukh Khan/archive1. BollyJeff | talk 19:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is closed, but I may open a second one in the future. BollyJeff | talk 15:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Second PR is open here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Shah Rukh Khan/archive2. BollyJeff | talk 22:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I could use some NPOV eyes at Badlapur (film). I'm noticing some odd behavior in the critical response section, for example. I'm trying to present neutral reviews that highlight the good and bad, (the complaint of misogyny has come up a few times) but I have noticed that one recent addition was curiously pushed down with a large block of chatty, essentially irrelevant (and improperly formatted) text. There are other matters that I believe I explain in my recent edit summaries there. Since my biggest interest is that we don't let COI editors promote, I'd like to get more balanced eyes there if you have time. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I've opened a discussion at RSN about whether or not cinechicken.com, a RottenTomatoes copycat review aggregator for Bollywood films, could be considered a reliable source. The link is here and I invite you all to participate! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to remove the Bollywood Hungama Surfers' Choice Awards from all Indian film articles. As it would affect a number of articles, I would like to establish consensus before going forward with it. Cowlibob (talk) 14:40, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support as requester. These awards are determined by an internet poll of the viewers of a particular website. The website concerned say that they do lots of checks such as IP, email, cookie verification to make sure it's one person for each vote [[1]] but it's still an internet poll. The awards currently do not have a separate article on wikipedia and I think it will be unlikely to have one as the awards are to my knowledge only discussed on the website which awards them and not in any secondary sources so aren't notable. Cowlibob (talk) 14:40, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk90, Shshshsh, Bollyjeff, Ssven2, Vensatry, and Dr. Blofeld: Pinging some regular contributors to Indian cinema articles. Cowlibob (talk) 14:40, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support I would tend to support on the basis that if there is no article on the award, the award has not yet been determined to be notable. The fact that it is an internet poll also gives me pause. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What about IBN Live movie awards? They are still in Ranaut's FL. If you are saying that other does not talk abouit BHSCA then, how can someone ask me to remove Hello Hall of Fame Awards, which are covered very much by Indian media.—Prashant 16:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This RFC is only about this particular award. The IBN one which I wasn't aware of till now looks to be also an internet poll which is only covered by IBN and not secondary sources so could also potentially be removed as non-notable as well but that's for another discussion. The "Hello" awards are a completely different issue and you should discuss that on your FLC not here.

Anyone can create thatarticle. That's not a big deal. Is it?—Prashant 16:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For an article to be created, it should really meet WP:GNG so no it's not as simple as just creating it as if you were to, it would most probably be deleted as not notable. Cowlibob (talk) 16:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prashant It's only part of it. If notability hasn't been established, the award can't be assumed to be notable. The second important aspect (which is lost in my poorly phrased reply above) has to do with the fact that it's an internet poll. We don't, for example, care about IMDb user ratings, because it is an internet poll. We don't care about Rotten Tomatoes user ratings, because it is an internet poll. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per requester. I have never heard of this Bollywood Hungama Surfers' Choice Awards. BollyJeff | talk 16:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't have any problem in removing these awards. I didn't add Chopra's nomination from IBN Live for Mary Kom. But, I didn't think about the BH awards. Now, I know it is same as IBN Live.—Prashant 17:11, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Not because I'm hearing it for the first time. While the arguments about the reliability of Bollywood Hungama as a source seems to be a never ending one, I see no point in having these non-notable awards. —Vensatry _(ping) 19:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per above. Shahid • ^Talk2me 00:03, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I support removing it as well, if we unanimously agree to not include internet polls to any awards page. I agree with Cyphoidbomb, the notability of BH or IBN is not the question here, but the fact that online polls, no matter from what source, shouldn't be listed among other notable awards. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 01:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to expand the scope of this RFC to cover all such internet polls being barred from being included in awards pages/sections in Indian film articles as this has gained significant backing. Cowlibob (talk) 20:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While actresses such as Rani Mukerji and Vidya Balan continue to use their birth name after marriage, others including Kareena Kapoor and Aishwarya Rai use their married names Kareena Kapoor Khan and Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, respectively. Wikipedia policy tells us to use their common name when naming their articles, but almost all media outlets are now addressing Kapoor and Rai by their married names. Recently, Scalhotrod changed Kapoor's article name back to her birth name. Is that a convention we should follow, or do we continue addressing them by their married names? I believe this calls for a vote to avoid conflicts in the future. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 06:51, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If all media outlets call them by their married name, and it appears that way in recent film credits, then it has become their common name. BollyJeff | talk 12:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have no stake in this one way or the other, but I became involved when the Kareena Kapoor article came up on the Special:PendingChanges list. I noticed that it had been moved, but no other care was taken to update the rest of the article. Sloppy editing like this is usually a sign of edit warring, which has been the case on and off on the Kapoor article, again via observation of its appearances on the Pending Changes list. If someone wants to update the entire article and source it properly, not just its title and Infobox, that would be a welcome change. One comment though, if most not just the most recent available sourced refer to her by her maiden name, then her married name is not common yet and this is a case of WP:RECENTISM and patience is prudent. Many actresses do not change their name after marriage because of the name recognition they have earned. As it stands now, the article lists BOTH names and there is a redirect at her married name. Readers will not be mislead nor will they not find the article if searching for it. Regards, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 14:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suppose sources indicate that a person wishes to be called by one name vs another. Then what do we do? BollyJeff | talk 15:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's similar to what happened with the Ayyan (model) article. There is a source that states that she wants to be referred to by Ayyan only and that is stated in the article, but it includes both the single name and her full name. And as per WP:MOS, her surname is used in the body of the content. There was even some short term edit warring to delete any mention of her last name.

In this instance, if there are sources that support your claim and article is to be moved back to Kareena Kapoor Khan, almost every instance of the use of "Kapoor" in the article needs to be changed to "Khan" for consistency with the MOS. As well as the change being cited and explained somewhere in the article body. The associated redirect will still exist and since Kapoor has simply amended her name by adding on "Khan", it will not matter with regard to searching. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 15:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But why refer to her as simply Khan and not Kapoor Khan? --Krimuk|90 (talk) 01:31, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, the article needs to be gone through and corrected for the change. If the article is moved to Kareena Kapoor Khan, then each instance the subject is mentioned needs to be changed to "Kapoor Khan" or just "Khan". I really don't care which, but per the WP:MOS, it needs to be consistent. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 19:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Often when people get married they incorporate their maiden name as their middle name. Can we say for sure that Kapoor is part of her last name, or has it become her middle name? This is less ambiguous when people hyphenate, i.e. if she were called Kapoor-Khan like Wendi McLendon-Covey, Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting and Sir Mix-a-Lot (kidding!) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:06, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt it's her middle name now. If we agree, then I can change the article name to Kareena Kapoor Khan, and uniformly refer to her as Kapoor Khan. Also, in the Aishwarya Rai Bachchan article, I'll have to change every occurrence to Rai Bachchan. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 09:24, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey all, I've opened an ANI report about a disruptive IP editor who tends to curse a lot and leave a lot of really incivil edit summaries. The editor also tends to force POV by deleting sources that he objects to, and he also engages in edit warring. The level of his hostility is somewhat odd, which is why I'm thinking he's been around for a while, maybe as a sock operator. If his behavior sounds familiar, please lemme know here. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking at some of the Bollywood's list of awards and nominations and found so many unnecessary awards list such as of Tabu, Urmila Matondkar, Asin, Anil Kapoor and lots more. These list have few awards listed. I don't think these pages are neccesary. I think they should be merged with their parent article or in the filmography like Kangana Ranaut (awards and role). Lot of western articles are like that, they put all the awards in the biography page itself. @Bollyjeff, Ssven2, Vensatry, Kailash29792, and Cowlibob: What you all have to say about this?—Prashant 11:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a consensus or guideline somewhere saying how big the list should be before it needs its own article? BollyJeff | talk 12:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You should see Reasons for merging.—Prashant 13:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at some of the lists that you mentioned, and I think they are okay. Having their own article lets them list all of the awards, whereas the main articles are listing only Filmfare and National awards by consensus. It would be nice to have some short introduction text before the awards link for those actors though. BollyJeff | talk 14:16, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Parineeti Chopra's awards are also listed in the biography page. If you see Emma Watson's page, her awards and nominations are listed in the same page.—Prashant 14:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We should also consider WP:SPLIT as many of these were probably forked from their parent articles. I don't think we should have a hard and fast limit of how many awards/ nominations would need a separate article but a case by case consideration. Could this particular awards article be reasonably incorporated back into the parent article as one table? Would adding the awards table diminish the parent article's readability significantly? That's what should be considered. Cowlibob (talk) 16:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: I think they should be included in the awards nomination section of parent article much like Parineeti Chopra, Emma Watson.—Prashant 12:37, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid that if we do this, then all of the junk awards will be put into every main article, which there is currently a consensus against (at least in the filmography tables). Many western actor's articles look bad because of the many minor awards listed there. Do we want to emulate that? I think it would be better to move the awards table from Parineeti Chopra into a separate article. It is becoming the major feature of the article at this point, with close to half of the sources devoted to it. BollyJeff | talk 12:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment at: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Dilwale_Dulhania_Le_Jayenge/archive1 BollyJeff | talk 13:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ryk72, BollyJeff, Ravensfire, NinjaRobotPirate, Tsavage, TheRedPenOfDoom, and CosmicEmperor:

Hey all, sorry for the obnoxious mass ping, but I wanted to touch base with all of you, since most of you commented at the RSN with regard to whether or not Cinechicken should be considered a reliable source. (Cosmic, I'm pinging you b/c I saw your removal at PK) Based on my interpretation of the discussion here it seems that although many of us "want to believe" in a Bollywood critical response aggregator because it just might make our lives easier, Cinechicken just isn't quite there yet, as they are not yet established as reputable, and there are other oddities about their site that make them a little sketchy, for instance, when you search for a film, you're redirected to Facebook and asked to give Cinechicken permission to access your account.

• Cinechicken - So is the consensus that Cinechicken, for now, is not a reliable source?
• Sahi Nahi - Any thoughts about Sahi Nahi?

Thanks to all who have commented and who will comment. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cinechicken

• Not yet considered reliable - Per previous discussions, hasn't yet established itself in media as a reliable go-to source. No clear editorial policy. Only 500 Google hits for the site if you exclude the site itself. Questionable coding. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sahi Nahi

• The website is more functional than Cinechicken. Looking at Badlapur, I notice that the site doesn't really rate each review the way RottenTomatoes does. (ex: Here when you hover over a tomato or a splat, you can see a rating of some kind, be it "C" or "3/5" or "3.5/4", etc.) Like Rotten Tomatoes the site seems to focus on pass/fail, rather than shades in between. Their calculation methodology isn't quite clear, but neither is RT's or Metacritics, I believe. It's also not clear from that page who's running the site, so I don't know what their editorial standards might be. Whatever we decide about this site, I hope we're all in agreement that under no circumstances should a film be "declared Sahi!" or "declared Nahi!" in articles, right? We're all on that page? I also notice that this site is using that ridiculous "Verdict: Super-Hit" bullshit that is the bane of my existence... Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is an Indian actor who shared Best Actor at the 1987 5th Damascus International Film Festival. The actor's name in Arabic is transliterated as ماهو شود هوري (Mhw Shwd Hwry), the film's name is translated as رجل وامرأة (man & woman). I think the surname is probably a variation of Chaudhry, but as I'm unfamiliar with Indian cinema does anyone know which film and actor? If so, please edit the page, tia. Timmyshin (talk) 00:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Timmyshin: Based on your info, I think the film was Aadmi Aur Aurat, a television film. The actress was Mahua Roychoudhury. I don't know if it's the correct spelling but it's what the wikipedia article is called. Hope that helps. Cowlibob (talk) 00:39, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks for your info, I believe it's indeed the film but according to the event website [2] this actor is supposed to be a man, that's very strange. Maybe the awards got the names mixed up. Timmyshin (talk) 00:46, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]