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{{edit template-protected|template:uw-spamublock|answered=yes}}
The documentation for this template reads: "<nowiki>{{subst:Uw-coi|Article|Additional text}}</nowiki> adds text onto the end of the message instead of "Thank you" ". But the template doesn't actually do that; what it does is add the additional text after "Thank you", and italicises it. As far as the thank you is concerned, it'd probably be good if the documentation and the actual functioning were in agreement; but what are the italics for? Could this be modified to add the additional message in plain text? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 18:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
your account has been used for advertising or promotion -> it has been used for advertising or promotion
:I've checked through {{tlx|uw-coi}} and it looks fine. I also added <code><nowiki>{{subst:uw-coi|Foo|You have been informed about this before}}</nowiki></code> to {{oldid|User talk:Sandbox for user warnings|581820473|User talk:Sandbox for user warnings}}, and that also looks fine. Where have you seen a problem occur? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:45, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for replying, {{u|Redrose64}}. I'm sorry that I somehow failed to notice that you had done so. The edit that caused me to post this was [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Platonphoto&diff=prev&oldid=581797786 this one]. I hope that the problem ("Thank you" is not removed; the comment is in italics) is clear from that diff; if not, I'll try to provide more that reproduce the result. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 21:46, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Justlettersandnumbers}} OK, thanks; notice the position of the HTML comment <code>&lt;!-- Template:uw-coi --&gt;</code> in your diff - it's after the category and before the italicised text. Now consider the two tests in {{diff|User talk:Sandbox for user warnings|prev|584757302|this edit}} and notice the position of the words "Additional text". In the first test, {{tlxs|uw-coi|Article|Additional text}} it takes the place of the worrds "Thank you.", but in the second, {{tlxs|uw-coi|Article}} <code>Additional text</code> it's just after the HTML comment <code>&lt;!-- Template:uw-coi --&gt;</code> - just as it is in your diff linked above. I can only conclude that the italicised text was also placed outside the {{tlxs|uw-coi}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:20, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Thanks again for taking the trouble to reply. Your examples do not replicate the problem I have, but I don't know why not. The only explanation I can think of is that I use Twinkle to place such notices. Could this be a Twinkle problem? I tried {{tl|uw-coi}}-warning myself, and the Twinkle preview clearly shows that (a) "Thank you." is not removed and (b) the additional text (mine was "blah blah blah") is italicised. So I tried it on the uw-sandbox. Please see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASandbox_for_user_warnings&diff=584761896&oldid=584757363 this diff]. Does that help? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 22:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|Justlettersandnumbers}} Your latest diff does have the italicised text after the HTML comment <code>&lt;!-- Template:uw-coi --&gt;</code> so it wasn't placed in the "Additional text" parameter of a {{tlxs|uw-coi|Article|Additional text}}. I don't use Twinkle myself: in fact I don't use any automated tools, preferring to make my own mistakes. But if you're certain that you didn't consciously add the italics, then they must be coming from Twinkle, so I suggest that you put a message on [[WT:TW]] pointing them to this thread. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::Yes, that's the conclusion I was coming to also. Many thanks for your input. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 09:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


Minor nitpick to reduce repetition. <i><span style="font-family:Segoe print">[[User:Mori Calliope fan|<span style="background-color:black;color:#ffb8f3">Mori Calliope fan</span>]] [[User talk:Mori Calliope fan|<span style="background-color:#870900;color:#ffb8f3">talk</span>]]</span></i> 21:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
== Grammar ==


:This seems to be a side effect of the changes made by {{u|Jpgordon}} in [[Special:Diff/1162488493]]. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 23:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Should the warnings say "you '''may''' be blocked from editing" or "you '''will''' be blocked from editing"? [[User:George8211|George8211]]<sup>[[User talk:George8211|what did I break now?]]</sup> 20:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
::Good nitpick, fixed. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107;]]</small></sup> 00:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
:Hi. This is not a matter of grammar at all. Both are grammatically correct. Your question goes above the layer of syntax, semantics and pragmatics all the way up to discourse analysis layer. But even then, IMHO, [[threatening]], which is illegal all over the world, is ill-advised.


== Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2024 ==
:Best regards,
:[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 21:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


{{edit semi-protected|Template:Uw-mislead3|answered=yes}}
::I agree with everything you said, right up to the part where you suggest that threatening to block someone from a privately run website could possibly be a legal issue, which is ridiculous. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 22:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Please fix [[Template:Uw-mislead3]], it expands with a <code><nowiki><!-- Template:uw-move3 --></nowiki></code> comment instead of <code><nowiki><!-- Template:uw-mislead3 --></nowiki></code>.<br>
I just had this shocking moment where I warned someone with a level 4 move disruption warning because I copied it and thought 'oh no, I warned them for move disruption in the third warning too, how did I not see it' - but no, turns out it's just the comment that's been wrong since the template was made. &ndash; [[Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80C8:4701:9C49:A8E6:A25E:3091|2804:F14:80C8:4701:9C49:A8E6:A25E:3091]] ([[User talk:2804:F14:80C8:4701:9C49:A8E6:A25E:3091|talk]]) 03:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{Done}} -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 10:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


== Suggestion: Merge templates for removing XFD notices ==
:::Hi. I did not say "legal issue". I said "ill-advised". If adhering to the minimum of law was the goal, these templates would have never been created. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 22:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
::::You said, "which is illegal all over the world". [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 01:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


Proposal: Merge AFD, RFD, TFD, CFD, FFD and MFD user warning templates into one. This would let editors use a centralized warnings list for deletion in general instead of having to go and carefully find the one for the appropriate XFD. If needed, we could add a parameter to disambiguate which.
:Obviously, it should say "you '''may''' be blocked from editing", because nobody can guarantee that a block will take place. There are all sorts of reasons why blocks don't happen when they could, such as nobody notices the error in question; somebody does, but does not report it to administrators; somebody does that, but, for any one of a myriad of reasons, a reviewing administrator declines to act. (And of course Codename Lisa is quite right: this is nothing whatever to do with grammar.) [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 13:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


Here's what the templates might look like:<br>
::I concur with '''may''' in both meanings: in terms of permission-to-block per policy, and probability-of-blocking by process&people. --[[User:Lexein|Lexein]] ([[User talk:Lexein|talk]]) 14:18, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Uw-xfd1: <code> Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in deletion debates. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you.</code><br>
Uw-xfd2: <code> Please do not remove deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in deletion debates. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you.</code><br>
Uw-xfd3: <code> Please stop. If you continue to remove deletion notices or comments from deletion debates, you may be blocked from editing.</code><br>
Uw-xfd4: <code> You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove a deletion notice or a comment from a deletion debate.</code><br>
Uw-xfd4im: <code> This is your only warning; if you remove a deletion notice from a page or delete comments from a deletion debate again, you may be blocked from editing.</code><br>
Any suggestions welcome! <small>If you reply here, please ping me.</small> <span style="font-family:monospace; font-weight: bold"><span style="color:ForestGreen">[[W:EN:User:TheTechie|<span style="color:Green">thetechie@enwiki</span>]]</span>: [[User talk:TheTechie|<span style="MediumBlue">~/talk/</span>]] <span style="">$</span></span> 23:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


== Link the plain and simple COI guide? ==
:::I also concur with the use of ''may'' and not ''will''. This is a question of correct semantics and not one of grammar. Unless reached by community consensus such as at [[WP:ANI]] or Arbcom, blocking is entirely at the discretion of admins and many may well consider that a block might not be necessary even in repeated instances of abuse. It depends very much on the circumstances. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 03:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


A lot of newcomers on Wikipedia might not be familiar with all of our policies and feel lost in the wordings, maybe it would be good to link a more beginner-friendly guide such as [[Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide]] in {{tl|uw-coi}} and {{tl|uw-coi-username}} to gently nudge them towards more responsible editing? [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotıċ <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 17:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
== Misleading documentation ==


== Vector legacy ==
The documentation for {{tlxs|Uw-soablock}} suggests that {{para|anon}} and {{para|time}} are valid parameters - in fact they are ignored.


The template currently says: "you should be able to move an article yourself using the [[Help:Moving a page|"Move" tab]] at the top of the page (the tab may be [[:File:Vector hidden move button.png|hidden in a dropdown menu]] for you)." This seems to apply to the Vector Legacy skin, but not the current Vector 2022 skin. I think there are now two places "Move" can be: the Tools sidebar, or Tools menu, but I don't know which one appears by default. Depending on this, please can the template be reworded, maybe to something like:
== Level 1 warning for edits reverted by another user ==
* "you should be able to move an article yourself using the [[Help:Moving a page|"Move" action in the "Tools" menu]] at the top of the page (the "Tools" menu may be in a sidebar to the right of the page for you)."
or
* "you should be able to move an article yourself using the [[Help:Moving a page|"Move" action in the "Tools" sidebar]] to the right of the page (the "Tools" sidebar may be hidden as a menu at the top of the page for you)."
Might also need a sentence there saying something like "if you're using the Vector legacy skin, there should be a [[Help:Moving a page|"Move" tab]] at the top of the page (the tab may be [[:File:Vector hidden move button.png|hidden in a dropdown menu]])." (Is there a way to automatically detect which skin the user is using, and display text appropriate to that? This might be more difficult if this template has to be subst'ed.)


Updating [[Help:Moving a page]], and a replacement for [[:File:Vector hidden move button.png]] would be nice to have, but probably not worth waiting for to make this change.
[[Template:Uw-vandalism1]] was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-vandalism1&diff=504964629&oldid=504487906 changed] after [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Level one user warnings]] but now contains "that I undid", which is incorrect when warning for an edit has already been undone. There's [[Template:Uw-v1-h]], but that was created as a version of the standard template with a header and just hasn't been updated. Does a separate template exist for this? [[User:Peter James|Peter&#160;James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|talk]]) 18:17, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, indeed. We have the beautiful [[Template:Uw-vandalism0]]. Cheers, <b>[[User:Fylbecatulous|<font color="#595454">Fylbecatulous</font>]] [[User talk:Fylbecatulous|<font color="#DB7093">talk</font>]]</b> 18:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


Alternatively, is there a way to flag this up to the WMF team who implemented these changes to clean up? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em">[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]</span><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em"><sup>[[User talk:Yodin|T]]</sup></span> 19:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
== Level 3 Icons ==
I saw some certain level 3 templates have ambox icon, and some ones have the Nuvola Apps icon, Can we explain why we have 2 different warning icons on level 3 templates


==Discussion at [[:Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 7#Template:Uw-cyberbully|Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 7 §&nbsp;Template:Uw-cyberbully]]==
Ambox Icon on a level 3 template:
[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 7#Template:Uw-cyberbully|Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 7 §&nbsp;Template:Uw-cyberbully]]. &#x0020;All the best, <span style="color:#595959">&zwj;—&zwj;</span>[[User:A smart kitten|<span style="color:#595959">a&nbsp;smart kitten</span>]]<sub style="color:#595959">[<nowiki/>[[User talk:A smart kitten|<span style="color:#595959">meow</span>]]]</sub> 11:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->
* [[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please stop making test edits to Wikipedia. It is considered [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]], which, under Wikipedia policy, can lead to '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|a loss of editing privileges]]'''. If you would like to experiment again, please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]. <!-- Template:uw-test3 -->


== Templates warning against frivolous XfD/PROD nominations and comments? ==
and the nuvola apps icon on :
* {{uw3}}
[[User:Dreth|<font color="lightblue">'''Dr'''</font><font color="blue">'''et'''</font>]][[User talk:Dreth|<font color="darkblue">'''h'''</font>]] 23:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
:Hi. I hadn't noticed before. I guess nobody else did. Maybe that's the whole reason: Similarity. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 03:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


What is a good way to warn a user who makes a clearly inappropriate or disruptive XfD/PROD nomination, such as one without a valid reason for deletion? What about users who make disruptive comments at XfD that have nothing to do with the deletion policy? [[User:Helpful Raccoon|Helpful Raccoon]] ([[User talk:Helpful Raccoon|talk]]) 02:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
== Passive Tweaks on Level 1 warnings, what happened to the "I reverted" ==


:@[[User:Helpful Raccoon|Helpful Raccoon]], here's my recommendation: start by writing [[User:Xenon54/Don't template the newbies|a manual message]]: explain why their edits are disruptive, ask them to stop. If it's a new editor, try to [[WP:3LA|avoid jargon]]. If disruptive edits continue – revert. Then [[Template:Uw-disruptive1]] becomes appropriate, since it presupposes that the edits were reverted. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 07:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I stumbled into Uw-test1 and some level1 warning templates that were redesigned in July/August 2012, How come they now have passive voice now. It would be better to just simply stick to the "I wanted to let you know I undid your edit because it could be bad" and not "Your edit was reverted because it was seen as bad". [[User:Dreth|<font color="#0079c1">'''Dr'''</font><font color="#0080ff">'''et'''</font>]][[User talk:Dreth|<font color="darkblue">'''h'''</font>]] 01:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
::A manual message seems good. The issue I have with existing templates is that XfD nominations and comments shouldn't be reverted like other edits just for being unconstructive (like saying an article "fails GNG" when it obviously doesn't). XfD nominations can be closed as [[Wikipedia:Speedy keep|speedy keep]] if there's no deletion rationale or they're obviously disruptive, but that's not exactly reversion and doesn't apply to all frivolous nominations. [[User:Helpful Raccoon|Helpful Raccoon]] ([[User talk:Helpful Raccoon|talk]]) 08:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Revision as of 17:39, 18 May 2024

your account has been used for advertising or promotion -> it has been used for advertising or promotion

Minor nitpick to reduce repetition. Mori Calliope fan talk 21:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a side effect of the changes made by Jpgordon in Special:Diff/1162488493. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE
) 23:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good nitpick, fixed. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 00:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2024

Please fix Template:Uw-mislead3, it expands with a <!-- Template:uw-move3 --> comment instead of <!-- Template:uw-mislead3 -->.
I just had this shocking moment where I warned someone with a level 4 move disruption warning because I copied it and thought 'oh no, I warned them for move disruption in the third warning too, how did I not see it' - but no, turns out it's just the comment that's been wrong since the template was made. – 2804:F14:80C8:4701:9C49:A8E6:A25E:3091 (talk) 03:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -- John of Reading (talk) 10:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: Merge templates for removing XFD notices

Proposal: Merge AFD, RFD, TFD, CFD, FFD and MFD user warning templates into one. This would let editors use a centralized warnings list for deletion in general instead of having to go and carefully find the one for the appropriate XFD. If needed, we could add a parameter to disambiguate which.

Here's what the templates might look like:
Uw-xfd1: Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in deletion debates. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you.
Uw-xfd2: Please do not remove deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in deletion debates. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you.
Uw-xfd3: Please stop. If you continue to remove deletion notices or comments from deletion debates, you may be blocked from editing.
Uw-xfd4: You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove a deletion notice or a comment from a deletion debate.
Uw-xfd4im: This is your only warning; if you remove a deletion notice from a page or delete comments from a deletion debate again, you may be blocked from editing.
Any suggestions welcome! If you reply here, please ping me. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 23:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link the plain and simple COI guide?

A lot of newcomers on Wikipedia might not be familiar with all of our policies and feel lost in the wordings, maybe it would be good to link a more beginner-friendly guide such as Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide in {{uw-coi}} and {{uw-coi-username}} to gently nudge them towards more responsible editing? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vector legacy

The template currently says: "you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you)." This seems to apply to the Vector Legacy skin, but not the current Vector 2022 skin. I think there are now two places "Move" can be: the Tools sidebar, or Tools menu, but I don't know which one appears by default. Depending on this, please can the template be reworded, maybe to something like:

  • "you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" action in the "Tools" menu at the top of the page (the "Tools" menu may be in a sidebar to the right of the page for you)."

or

  • "you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" action in the "Tools" sidebar to the right of the page (the "Tools" sidebar may be hidden as a menu at the top of the page for you)."

Might also need a sentence there saying something like "if you're using the Vector legacy skin, there should be a "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu)." (Is there a way to automatically detect which skin the user is using, and display text appropriate to that? This might be more difficult if this template has to be subst'ed.)

Updating Help:Moving a page, and a replacement for File:Vector hidden move button.png would be nice to have, but probably not worth waiting for to make this change.

Alternatively, is there a way to flag this up to the WMF team who implemented these changes to clean up? --YodinT 19:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 7 § Template:Uw-cyberbully. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten[meow] 11:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates warning against frivolous XfD/PROD nominations and comments?

What is a good way to warn a user who makes a clearly inappropriate or disruptive XfD/PROD nomination, such as one without a valid reason for deletion? What about users who make disruptive comments at XfD that have nothing to do with the deletion policy? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Helpful Raccoon, here's my recommendation: start by writing a manual message: explain why their edits are disruptive, ask them to stop. If it's a new editor, try to avoid jargon. If disruptive edits continue – revert. Then Template:Uw-disruptive1 becomes appropriate, since it presupposes that the edits were reverted. —⁠andrybak (talk) 07:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A manual message seems good. The issue I have with existing templates is that XfD nominations and comments shouldn't be reverted like other edits just for being unconstructive (like saying an article "fails GNG" when it obviously doesn't). XfD nominations can be closed as speedy keep if there's no deletion rationale or they're obviously disruptive, but that's not exactly reversion and doesn't apply to all frivolous nominations. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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